I don't envy luthier...

[617Squadron]

@ robtek

If I was to bet money on who are among the worst whiners on here, I'd be putting my money on the "Playstation generation", i.e. those who have come to expect instant gratification, as you pointed out.

The old 'uns amongst the members on here who remember having to type for hours in BASIC to get a program into a computer in the '80s, then spend hours debugging the code to find out why it isn't working properly, are most likely to be the ones on here asking people to calm down and get a perspective on the whole thing (this includes me).

I doubt that a lot of these whiners could write an autoexec.bat and config.sys file in DOS, let alone code games software.

The problem is, consoles and Windows patches have spoilt these people rotten and they simply don't realise it. they don't know they're born....

[Rattlehead]

Originally Posted by Blackdog_kt

In fact, that's the only mistake they did with this launch. They should have labeled it an open beta and give access to people who pre-order and deposit a token amount as down-payment, something similar to what DCS:A-10 did. Not only would nobody complain in that case, the exact opposite in fact: everyone would be rushing to pre-order and put down $10 for their copy in advance, just to get in on the beta. That's the gamer mentality, tell him he's somehow special and bugs won't bother him one bit as long as he knows he's elevated to the revered status of beta-tester.

So what happens from now on? Well, whether you choose to fly it in its current state, shelve it for a few months or not even buy it and wait until it gets fixed, they are all valid choices and nobody's going to call foul on that.

What i don't get is people who demanded the moon and stars in terms of features while at the same time complaining about the release delays and now state that "it should have been delayed for 6 months", when there's already been 2-3 cases of renewed outrage for the US release being pushed back. Now this is the point where i start laughing because the inconsistency is reaching comedy levels.

Fantastic post.

[Rattlehead]

Originally Posted by robtek

CoD, as it is now, IS already fun to play for the majority of buyers.
Have i already said that there is no alternative?

I have logged over 60 hours in the game so far. 1c must have done something right.

[Redroach]

Okay, so 6 months is it then to make my $$ worth a while? Fine, let's wait and see...

What's the matter with writing/editing batch files anyway? Hehe, that sets you folks really apart from us "instant gratification crowd", doesn't it?

[617Squadron]

@ Redroach

Let's leave the script kiddies out of this, eh?

I am talking about people with *some* programming knowledge and appreciation of what is involved with programming a complex game such as this, rather than just having the ability to press the "Add Troll Comment" button...

To be honest, I've not seen fanboi trolls like these on here since the late '80s / early '90s, back when there was the Amiga vs. Atari troll war...

[Redroach]

No one is "warring" anyone; at least I'm not. If you want to go ad hominem, thats your call, dude.

My statement still stands: CoD is in no way, shape or form to be considered a finished product.

Btw: I've worked on certain large-scale programming projects, too (nothing graphical, though). Don't pretend you're the only one who knows what he's talking about.

[ATAG_Bliss]

Originally Posted by Redroach

My statement still stands: CoD is in no way, shape or form to be considered a finished product.

Well I think we can all agree that it's obviously not finished. But I hope it never is. That's the IL2 legacy. It's an ongoing WIP. The original series (10+ years and still going) is still being updated/patched.

Virtually every single Friday update that was shown for IL2COD clearly stated WIP as well. I'm just going out on a limb and saying bugs, problems, faults with the game, were almost expected to be there based on the WIP part alone. What I don't get is where the devs ever said anything along the lines of "Our perfectly finished game is being released on March 25th." Instead, the last couple friday updates shown before the release even clearly said WIP.

If you can find me a link to where the devs ever said anything about finalized or a perfect running game (especially after seeing years of updates stated WIP) I'll eat my shorts.

[617Squadron]

I'm not pretending to be anything... I also don't wish to allude that you are trolling me either or that we do this ad nauseum (yes, I do understand Latin).

All I'm saying is that I agree with you that this game is a "work in progress" just as much as Windows Vista was until it was patched. Maybe the pictures and videos released before the launch got people so worked up about it that 1C felt that they were heavily pregnant with obligation to launch it, even though it wasn't 100% finished. There may have also been pressure from Ubisoft to launch no matter what, while the community was sexed up about it.

Either way, it's out now and it's being worked on. It just needs time and patience, something that seems to be sadly lacking. If people think they have been sold a pup and it's not fit for purpose, they can always ask for a refund, although the fact that they have signed up on here to vent their spleens about it tells me that they want something more than a refund, as they can see a diamond in the rough.

If people want instant gratification that badly, they should maybe go and rent a hooker...

I've had my two cents now.

[tagTaken2]

Originally Posted by smink1701

Time will tell but I can remember when CFS3 came out and it was such a disaster it ended the MS CFS franchise. Hope the same doesn't happen here.

CFS3 was a real pig, alright. By the time I had a PC capable of running it on High settings, it looked totally obsolete.

But I think what killed CFS3 was mostly Il-2. Especially after the Aces Expansion pack, when you could compare the planes in CFS3 with Il-2 versions.

[Redroach]

Originally Posted by 617Squadron

I'm not pretending to be anything... I also don't wish to allude that you are trolling me either or that we do this ad nauseum (yes, I do understand Latin).

All I'm saying is that I agree with you that this game is a "work in progress" just as much as Windows Vista was until it was patched. Maybe the pictures and videos released before the launch got people so worked up about it that 1C felt that they were heavily pregnant with obligation to launch it, even though it wasn't 100% finished. There may have also been pressure from Ubisoft to launch no matter what, while the community was sexed up about it.

Either way, it's out now and it's being worked on. It just needs time and patience, something that seems to be sadly lacking. If people think they have been sold a pup and it's not fit for purpose, they can always ask for a refund, although the fact that they have signed up on here to vent their spleens about it tells me that they want something more than a refund, as they can see a diamond in the rough.

If people want instant gratification that badly, they should maybe go and rent a hooker...

I've had my two cents now.

Yeah, well, I'll opt for "Instant Gratification" then (isn't that the whole point of buying a game in the first place? Otherwise, you could just... start to program). But if burning 50€ for half the game now, half of it maybe later fits your needs better, then hey, more power to you!