I don't envy luthier...

[617Squadron]

I'm not pretending to be anything... I also don't wish to allude that you are trolling me either or that we do this ad nauseum (yes, I do understand Latin).

All I'm saying is that I agree with you that this game is a "work in progress" just as much as Windows Vista was until it was patched. Maybe the pictures and videos released before the launch got people so worked up about it that 1C felt that they were heavily pregnant with obligation to launch it, even though it wasn't 100% finished. There may have also been pressure from Ubisoft to launch no matter what, while the community was sexed up about it.

Either way, it's out now and it's being worked on. It just needs time and patience, something that seems to be sadly lacking. If people think they have been sold a pup and it's not fit for purpose, they can always ask for a refund, although the fact that they have signed up on here to vent their spleens about it tells me that they want something more than a refund, as they can see a diamond in the rough.

If people want instant gratification that badly, they should maybe go and rent a hooker...

I've had my two cents now.

[Redroach]

Originally Posted by 617Squadron

I'm not pretending to be anything... I also don't wish to allude that you are trolling me either or that we do this ad nauseum (yes, I do understand Latin).

All I'm saying is that I agree with you that this game is a "work in progress" just as much as Windows Vista was until it was patched. Maybe the pictures and videos released before the launch got people so worked up about it that 1C felt that they were heavily pregnant with obligation to launch it, even though it wasn't 100% finished. There may have also been pressure from Ubisoft to launch no matter what, while the community was sexed up about it.

Either way, it's out now and it's being worked on. It just needs time and patience, something that seems to be sadly lacking. If people think they have been sold a pup and it's not fit for purpose, they can always ask for a refund, although the fact that they have signed up on here to vent their spleens about it tells me that they want something more than a refund, as they can see a diamond in the rough.

If people want instant gratification that badly, they should maybe go and rent a hooker...

I've had my two cents now.

Yeah, well, I'll opt for "Instant Gratification" then (isn't that the whole point of buying a game in the first place? Otherwise, you could just... start to program). But if burning 50€ for half the game now, half of it maybe later fits your needs better, then hey, more power to you!

[617Squadron]

TBH I burned more cash than that on a crappy version of Windows Vista.... until I saw sense and replaced it with Windows 7. maybe I should have waited, but this sounds somewhat familiar.....

I could argue that the money spent on Vista was for a half-finished version of Windows 7, but that's another story.

For now, I'm prepared to wait it out and have faith, as I see this game evolving into something truly epic.

[Bakelit]

My big disappointment does not come from the fact that some finer points of the CEM might not work well, or some über shaders or next generation features are not implemented yet.

It comes from severely lacking documentation, not even an intro movie, poor interface and things you take for granted when you buy any game or sim. Add that the studio has the best WW2 sim under its belt, lots of community feedback and experience and then had quite some years of development.

And then look at the state CoD came in. I wish I could be as positive as some others but if they haven't got it together in six years how can they do it in the next six months?

I still cannot comprehend what went wrong and as much as I want to love it I can't.

[Al Schlageter]

Originally Posted by Bakelit

My big disappointment does not come from the fact that some finer points of the CEM might not work well, or some über shaders or next generation features are not implemented yet.

It comes from severely lacking documentation, not even an intro movie, poor interface and things you take for granted when you buy any game or sim. Add that the studio has the best WW2 sim under its belt, lots of community feedback and experience and then had quite some years of development.

And then look at the state CoD came in. I wish I could be as positive as some others but if they haven't got it together in six years how can they do it in the next six months?

I still cannot comprehend what went wrong and as much as I want to love it I can't.

Russian (Soviet) perception of the West. They think bling sells in the West, and it does somewhat, but 'All Show and No Go' doesn't get to far either and that is what has been produced. There was too much concentration on the show (bling) and not enough time spent on the go (coding/testing).

[Redroach]

Originally Posted by Al Schlageter

Russian (Soviet) perception of the West. They think bling sells in the West, and it does somewhat, but 'All Show and No Go' doesn't get to far either and that is what has been produced. There was too much concentration on the show (bling) and not enough time spent on the go (coding/testing).

I am of the opinion that 1C/Maddox messed up with CoD, but:
This is probably the most disturbing post I've read in a while.

[Blackdog_kt]

Originally Posted by CharveL

I look at it as a groundbreaking sim that's about 6 - 12 months before its release date where we were given the opportunity to buy in early to beta test it. Currently it's more of a technology demo than a sim/game.

But that's an optimistic view from my perspective and I've already got my fifty bucks worth out of it, despite expectations for it to be more finished than it is.

So I don't take the bugs too seriously myself, given the understanding that they are being fixed over the next 6 months, so long as they do keep at it.

I understand also those who are severely disappointed because it's not a finished sim/game and fully expected it to be so because it was released as such. Most people require more or different things from a sim than I do after waiting this long and it's not because I'm complacent, just that I have enough to do to keep me busy while new features make it in. Others don't or have more time to burn through the rather skeletal features than I do.

If I get bored in the next few weeks I'll just do something else while it catches up.

That's pretty much my take on things as well. I would still want it to be much better than it currently is, but the fact that all my time is taken up just learning about the stuff that is included and works makes it a whole lot easier to wait for the patches. That being said i started flying it almost "full real" from day one (i use external views in single player because i like looking at the aircraft, plus i disabled anthropomorphic controls due to the fact that it doesn't filter spiking and thinks you are using your controls all the time if you fly with an older stick like i do), so i have a lot of stuff to keep busy with.

On the other hand, if people want to fly around in reduced difficulty settings, no CEM, etc and have some quick action fun then they are going to be disappointed, they are seeing maybe less than 50% of the gameplay experience and that takes a lot less time to do.

Also, there's a whole lot of people who only think in terms of graphics and not much else, completely missing the underlying capabilities of the game's engine in terms of mission scripting and lack of apparent limits in map sizes (they load in segments) and units (there's a recent youtube vid with a thousand aircraft in the air on the current, unoptimized build).
We could be flying online in a bomber raid from the UK deep into occupied Europe and the Reich with in a few months, 500 bombers, 200 escorts, 300 fighters intercepting them and all that being part of a dynamic online campaign, but some people just can't see past graphics. The functionality complaints are valid, some of the sounds need improvement to aid with immersion, but other than that in a "cosmetic" sense the game is as good looking as it needs to be, let's focus on its "brains" a bit, shall we?

I've clocked about 50 hours or so and i still haven't managed to master all of what i've discovered to a degree similar to how i can do things in IL2. By the time i best my manual prop pitch technique in the luftwaffe fighters and master my level bombing techniques, it could well be another 50 hours and 2-3 patches down the line.