Friday 2011-02-04 Dev. update and Discussion

[klem]

Originally Posted by luthier

I always thought Il-2's landings and gear compression was pretty good.

You don't get off that easily

How does the Spitfire landing compare with IL-2 please?

[Sauf]

There will be no need to land your spitfire, 109s will do all the hard work for you, but please feel free to ask about bailing out procedures

[Dano]

Originally Posted by Sauf

There will be no need to land your spitfire, 109s will do all the hard work for you, but please feel free to ask about bailing out procedures

Well you 109 pilots would know all about bailing out

[Sutts]

Originally Posted by klem

You don't get off that easily

How does the Spitfire landing compare with IL-2 please?

Real Spits do tend to bounce a bit unless greased in. I've managed to land without bouncing many times but you've got to make sure your speed is close to a stall at the end of the flare. Any excess speed will get you airborn again.

Personally I think IL2 provides a very realistic touch down experience.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_3YuwerLCQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5TOTF9rdX2Y

[Hoverbug]

Originally Posted by DC338

What sort of outside noises? Other aircraft? Can you point to the memoirs and formulas? I would like to see the arguments that you can hear much that goes on outside the cockpit.

I can give you one from personal experience. I was in a Lake Amphibian (a very noisy plane) with some excellent David Clarks (headsets) on and we had an F-18 on a low-level training route cross in front of us at the same altitude at a distance of half a mile. I heard him at the same time I saw him and it was loud. That said, that's the only time in 4,000 hours of flying that I heard something outside the airplane while airborne, but then I never made any gun runs on Heinkels and passing within fifty feet of them.

So yes, it's possible to hear things outside a plane in flight - but only really loud things.

[Ctrl E]

luthier,

i know u have said distribution is up to the distributer, but surely you could raise concerns with UBI on behalf of your potential customers about the way this product is being rolled out in some parts of the world.

here in australia the UBI website directs you automatically to the AU region, where we are only able to buy CoD by download - no box or collectors' editions are being made available.

As you may have seen several people here have contacted UBI australia about this and have been told the product will not be shipped here.

the crime of it is the download does not take into account recent large rises in the price of the australian dollar, meaning the price we are being asked to pay for a download is almost equal to the cost of a boxed collectors' edition in europe. this is simply unfair.

the Il2 series has a large following in Australia, and I hope they will be treated properly.

[zakkandrachoff]

Originally Posted by MoHaX

For thoose who is eager for details, here is Youss's (he is expirienced il2 pilot) first impressions from CoD:
http://www.sukhoi.ru/forum/showthread.php?t=66721

Use google translator please, as my english is not good enough to give you good translation of his exciting impressions, but hopefully I can clarify some things if google translator would be hard to understand.

Some features:
- "Press I button" doesnt start engine with "complex engine management on". Rotation starts and then stops very soon
- Bf-109 tends to roll during takeoff, no heavy yaw movements as in il2
- There is no runway as in IL2, there is just flat field surronded by hangars and other buildings. You can takeoff in any direction.
- lots of details on airfield makes it much easier to take of and landing as you feel speed better
- he was amazed with low altitude flight. Its feel of speed is much improved compared to IL2. Main thing is there is no flat surfaces. Whole ground is non flat, and his first thought was "how can I do emergency landing here?" He wasnt able to find any flat and big enough area.
- contacts visibility is very good if they are on same level as you. If you are above them you lost them immediately. Sea is very noisy because of waves and you cant see enemies. If contacts are above you they are blended with sky and its hard to find them again.
- on a high G (he did vertical loop) heads tends to move down and sight (aiming device) goes up on your screen, you have to correct your view direction.
- you need to turn on sight illumination, otherwise its hard to use it. Cabin lighting is amazing.
- bots behaviour is very diffrerent from IL2. He knows Il2 bots very well , but he wasnt able to shot down any one. They lowered from 4 km to sea level and still no one was heavily damaged
- he wasnt able to hit a spitfire with cannons, very very hard to aim. Guns fire slightly unsynchronously and BF-109 starts to yaw right and left. Hard to continue to fire for more than 2-4 rounds.
- even slight roll without proper work with pedals make airplane to slide and its your tracers start to drift away from sight center.
- smoke tracers are very very beautifull
- sound is amazing, huge "BAANG" on every cannon shot
- Airplane is very sluggish, stalls start immediately without any pre-stall shake
- on low speed airplane doesnt react on you controll. It seems that stall fighting is not possible anymore
- he wasnt able to hear spitfire on his 6. Once he saw a tracers he immediately did roll and jump into clouds
- once he jumped into clouds all windows become misted. When he goes from cloud it was hard to tell where is sky and where is ground, he had to wait some time whiled windows became unmisted
- he approached 2 spitfires on his way back. He missed in his first attack then he went up and after that he lost spitifires. He flew in that aread for a while but wasnt able to find them.
- airfield visibility on a shore is very good: big field surrounded with buildings
- use flaps you have to press "F" once and then hold it again until you satisfied with flaps angle
- he pressed "G"once to extend landing gear, but as it appeared later he failed with that
- there was no speed bar or other text on screen, neither for flaps nor for gears
- he landed without gears. Propeller was damaged and airplane was covered with cloud of dust once he stopped to slide
- after mission stats showed the Do-215 was shot down, 2 spitfires and one Bf-109. He had 3% fire accuracy for 1 spitfire and deliver 10% damage to him.
- His Bf-109 had 15% damage. There are no details how much of that damage came from enemies and how much from his langing or other wrong actions
- In "zoom view" you cant pan too much, just +- 20 degrees (maybe +- 30)

like reading a book

[Wutz]

Originally Posted by Sutts

Real Spits do tend to bounce a bit unless greased in. I've managed to land without bouncing many times but you've got to make sure your speed is close to a stall at the end of the flare. Any excess speed will get you airborn again.

Personally I think IL2 provides a very realistic touch down experience.

Ah then you are familiar on a certain quote from that 1969 "Battle of Britain" movie, on a nice basket ball landing where the other pilots say to each other
"You can teach...*monkeys* to fly better than that! "

[Sturm_Williger]

Originally Posted by Sutts

Real Spits do tend to bounce a bit unless greased in. I've managed to land without bouncing many times but you've got to make sure your speed is close to a stall at the end of the flare. Any excess speed will get you airborn again.

Personally I think IL2 provides a very realistic touch down experience.

It's not the bounce on landing that is a real problem when you're landing on non-airfield, it's the way the tailwheel will bounce madly on touching the ground, practically guaranteeing to dig your nose in
Heavier aircraft don't seem to have such a "bouncy" tail - I can land a 110 for example fairly easily on rough terrain, but single engines, almost never.
The main gear seems fine, but the tailwheel seems to have a jack-in-the-box built in.

[fireflyerz]

Originally Posted by Sutts

Real Spits do tend to bounce a bit unless greased in. I've managed to land without bouncing many times but you've got to make sure your speed is close to a stall at the end of the flare. Any excess speed will get you airborn again.

Personally I think IL2 provides a very realistic touch down experience.

Interesting , do you fly one ?