I Want my 4.09 Spit FM's back.........

[Fenrir]

Originally Posted by swiss

Suggestion for your next pleasure trip:

http://www.rafmuseum.org.uk/research/

Thanks Swiss, I'll look into this.

Also, to clarify, I don't want a return to the 4.09 Spitfire FMs; I quite like the new stall/energy characteristics.

The only issue I have is with the lateral trim.

[fruitbat]

Originally Posted by Fenrir

Also, to clarify, I don't want a return to the 4.09 Spitfire FMs; I quite like the new stall/energy characteristics.

The only issue I have is with the lateral trim.

+1

[SEE]

Originally Posted by Fenrir

The only issue I have is with the lateral trim.

Then that should be the focus of any further argument...and once again, thanks for your input!

[Corto]

Originally Posted by Blackdog_kt

I don't remember if it's in this very thread, but i sat through the entire BBC documentary about the battle of Britain that someone linked on youtube and at one point a surviving RAF veteran (i think it was Tom Neil) talks about the advantages and disadvantages of Spit vs 109.

Here is the BBC Doc:
For the Spit enthusiasts: Part 4 is the part were they talk about the advantages and disadvantages of Spit vs 109...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDDeLRy7UM0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5D49...eature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IHLZ...eature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8FsR...eature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9MW0i...eature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oIcWx...eature=related

[i]A fresh analysis into the Battle of Britain, exploring the German point of view, and highlighting the role of those who supported the Few during the summer of 1940.
Focusing on the tactics, technologies and intelligence available to both sides, Mr. Holland examines the ways in which both Germany and Britain used their resources: from aircraft to air defence, and from intelligence to organisation. And, by gaining rare firsthand testimony from German veterans, and access to the untapped diaries and documents we reveal that this was a battle of two sides and many layers.[/]

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Spit vs Me 109 Part 4 from Min. 3 sec 20....

Spit 14.7 sec of fire Pee Shooter Ammo vs Me 109 55 sec of fire.. nearly 4 times as long!

If this and other facts are modeld in Olegs "realistic Simulation" "Cliffs of Dover".... no one will fly spit.....
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[JG4_Helofly]

Why will no one fly spitfire? From what I read, the spit and the 109 are so close in performance, that the pilot will be the decisive factor. And firepower is worthless if you can't get behind the ennemy.

Btw. I am saying that as a pure blue flyer, so no bias for the spit from me.

[Corto]

Originally Posted by JG4_Helofly

From what I read, the spit and the 109 are so close in performance...

pls hear !!! the pilots from both !!! sides in part 4 of BBC Doc....
they are not so close in performance....

IL2 are balanced... and COD will be the same.....

[JG4_Helofly]

Originally Posted by Corto

pls hear !!! the pilots from both !!! sides in part 4 of BBC Doc....
they are not so close in performance....

IL2 are balanced... and COD will be the same.....

Well, never trust only one source. And If the 109 faces a spit with higher boost pressure (100 octan fuel) which were common in the BOB, then the speed advantage is for the spit at most altitudes.

[Corto]

Originally Posted by JG4_Helofly

Well, never trust only one source.

in this doc different pilots (plural!!!) talk... about advantages and disadvantages of Spit vs 109.
And yes to: never trust only one source.... but if i see such sources (pilots, facts).... I beginn to trust....

but anyway.... dont feed....

[41Sqn_Banks]

Originally Posted by Corto

Here is the BBC Doc:
Spit 14.7 sec of fire Pee Shooter Ammo vs Me 109 55 sec of fire.. nearly 4 times as long!

Well ...

Spitfire 8 machine guns to fire vs. Me 109 2 machine guns to fire ... nearly 4 times of guns!

I'm not counting the MG FF, 'cause the 55 sec. of fire only applies to the machine guns, not the canons.

[ATAG_Dutch]

Originally Posted by 41Sqn_Banks

Well ...

Spitfire 8 machine guns to fire vs. Me 109 2 machine guns to fire ... nearly 4 times of guns!

I'm not counting the MG FF, 'cause the 55 sec. of fire only applies to the machine guns, not the canons.

Quite right. This was the first thing that glared at me from the way this documentary was presented when I saw the first broadcast.
The 109 has to hold a 'plane in it's sights 4 times as long to get same weight of projectiles on target, compared to Hurris and Spits, using machine guns alone.
As it happens 55 secs is near enough four times 14.7secs. Roughly the same rate of fire.
The sensible view of this is that the 109 pilots had loads of time to sight the target with their m/g's, then let go with a short burst of cannon.