LW VS VVS PLANES at 4.10

[WTE_Galway]

Originally Posted by _1SMV_Gitano

Indeed. And many of them went to training units to pass their experience. AFAIK only few experienced LW pilots went to command training units, like Herman Graf.

Essentially with experten leading operational Jagdgeschwader those Jagdgeschwader were the final combat training unit. As the war went on and attrition occurred this system proved detrimental.

Also ... one thing to remember about the target rich environment and 24/7 year in year out fighting of Eastern Front Jagdgeschwader is the entire war became a training exercise for those that survived.

Hartmann did not necessarily start the war with more talent or skill than his lower scoring allied counterparts. Early career, iif provided with the target rich Eastern Front environment that the LW enjoyed, some of the allied aces may even have scored substantially better.

However that is beside the point, by the wars end Hartmann and soem of the other experten had several thousand more hours in combat than any non-soviet allied pilot and over 300 "practice kills" against live targets under his belt. It seems unlikely anyone else, no matter how talented, could compete with that level of experience in actual combat.

Its a bit like comparing a talented high school footballer with a seasoned professional. Time in the hot seat really counts.

[Tempest123]

Originally Posted by WTE_Galway

Essentially with experten leading operational Jagdgeschwader those Jagdgeschwader were the final combat training unit. As the war went on and attrition occurred this system proved detrimental.

Also ... one thing to remember about the target rich environment and 24/7 year in year out fighting of Eastern Front Jagdgeschwader is the entire war became a training exercise for those that survived.

Hartmann did not necessarily start the war with more talent or skill than his lower scoring allied counterparts. Early career, iif provided with the target rich Eastern Front environment that the LW enjoyed, some of the allied aces may even have scored substantially better.

However that is beside the point, by the wars end Hartmann and some of the other experten had several thousand more hours in combat than any non-soviet allied pilot and over 300 "practice kills" against live targets under his belt. It seems unlikely anyone else, no matter how talented, could compete with that level of experience in actual combat.

Its a bit like comparing a talented high school footballer with a seasoned professional. Time in the hot seat really counts.

Having read "I flew for the Fuhrer" (great book), I got the impression that many of the experienced Luftwaffe pilots (if they had survived) were worn down and fatigued in the later years of the war. With not enough rest, and high attrition, with few safe places to rest as they where under constant attack. Keep in mind that many allied pilots flew many hours and rarely encountered an aircraft with black crosses, whereas the Germans nearly always faced enemy aircraft after 1944, I'm surprised that any Luftwaffe experten who survived the war would still have any interest in flying after being put through all that.

[TheGrunch]

Originally Posted by Ernst

I overstressed the aircrafts i tested quite a lot but not passed 10Gs. I did not observed any structural damage or penalty except that weird sound. How much must i overstress my plane to have problems? What kind of problems? This is a question to TD guys.

Ernst, according to the documentation for 4.10 each aircraft possesses an in service and ultimate load limit. The ultimate load limit is the G loading at which the aircraft will structurally fail completely. Every time you exceed the in service limit your ultimate load limit is progressively lowered. Carrying external stores lowers these two limits until they are jettisoned. The other thing to try would be to apply both heavy elevator and some aileron at the same time during a pullout, thus creating an asymmetrical load - I haven't tried this myself but I would be interested to see if this has an effect.

[LoBiSoMeM]

The first time I flew in 4.10 I jump into a P-51 to test the corrected FM, online.

Got two 109s in turn fights and play with a FW in my tail.

It's just a matter of time to some weak blue pilots start to cry. But yesterday I had a hard time with a good FW pilot chasing me. Now the P-51 is a good match to the FW, before the plane had SERIOUS issues about stability. The changes in FM just let the P-51 more stable and more reliable, two things that usually ruins the day of a pilot if lack.

The P-51 isn't "better" now, is NORMAL. The FW don't have this kind of problem, the 109 don't enter in crazy spins, so, don't need to be fixed.

The p-51 isn't a Spitifre now. TD just "improved" the P-51 from a potential air coffin to a fast plane, because of the corrected lenght in FM.

[Ernst]

But the 109 characteristics guarantee a nice flying and a very gentle stall. The deployment of slats guarantee to the pilot a warning when the aircraft is about to stall. The P-51 was known for some high speed spin characteristics due to the laminar flow wing. Do not known because i do not fly too much P-51 in IL-2 but i do not think that simple remove that charateristic is the right thing to do only because the allies players wants a "better" P-51 to match the German counterparts.

Dou you fly FW? To me FW is just like or worse the older P-51. Focke Wulf had no acelleration and it have to. My only only complain is: give FW its accelaration. FW acelleration was very good. Initial acceleration was quite the same than spitfire, but the medium range and top end was much better.

Acctualy FW accelerates like a truck. When you lose some energy you cannot rebuild it fast.

If you see the video above the pilot states that there is no way a p-51 could turn fight a 109 in medium to low range of speed. Then i ask, based on what do you state that the new p-51 are correct?

The old P-51 was not an air coffin, it was to you because you tried to turn fight in it. The old was very fast and impossible to pursuit in any fighter. The good P-51 pilot remained untouched.

I pursuited the p-51s many times and no way i could catch it, even in Doras. The ones i destroyed are flying low and turning a lot.

[rakinroll]

I am flying FW-190 Anton 8 and Bf-109 Gustav 6 Erla for years. I only can say that those fighters, especially Anton 8, should be better according to history. But i am not complaining about it. Becuase it forced me to be better and better with tactics. However, lack of cannon power and weak damage modelling of German fighters still makes me feel crazy. As i wrote in my video pages, i like to fight Oleg.

Even so, i am very appreciated to Oleg and his team for this "greatest" simulation.

Happy New Year Oleg and all community.

[SturmKreator]

How to use the new Mustang? I can't use this airplane in right way. What pitch, fuel you set? Becouse I can never reach 710 km/h at 7500 meters

[_1SMV_Gitano]

Originally Posted by SturmKreator

How to use the new Mustang? I can't use this airplane in right way. What pitch, fuel you set? Becouse I can never reach 710 km/h at 7500 meters

If you fly with cockpit on you see the IAS, Indicated AIr Speed and not the TAS, True Air Speed. The difference between TAS and IAS is 0 at sea level and grows with altitude. You can chek with the no cockpit view your TAS.

[SturmKreator]

Originally Posted by _1SMV_Gitano

If you fly with cockpit on you see the IAS, Indicated AIr Speed and not the TAS, True Air Speed. The difference between TAS and IAS is 0 at sea level and grows with altitude. You can chek with the no cockpit view your TAS.

I understand how to see the TAS and IAS, the question is: With german planes like the TA-152 h1, Bf-190 k4, FW190 D9 44, I could reach in the first case 740 km/h@9600 meters TAS,in second case 730 km/h TAS@6500 meters and the third case 730km/h TAS@5500 meters, If I try to reach with the mustang at 710 km/h TAS@7500 meters, mi engine dies before I could reach maximun velocity, I set radiator fully closed, fully power @ 3000 rpm and 60 mmhq, What I did wrong? Waht pitch I need to set? Please dont think I am a noob again.

[Flanker35M]

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Would sure be nice if TD could just check the values of planes, to make sure they are as they should. And I mean red and blue planes alike