Daidalos Team's Room -QUESTIONS AND REQUESTS ONLY on IL2 Authorized Addons

[II/JG54_Emil]

Originally Posted by MicroWave

What are you blabbering about? Read your posts again.
You presented false and incomplete information. I've responded to that.

If you have more issues to present, do it properly this time. I have given you all the necessary information how to do that.

Oh, and about that language barrier you hit; try googling for basic forces of flight.

What are you blabbering, to use your vocabulary. You got alarming data and you pretend you don´t see it!


Others say it´s cherry picking, while I can plant a cherry-tree forest by now.

[Fafnir_6]

Wow....

Calm down, guys. What the hell happened to respectful requests for additions, backed up by reputable data?

Sheesh.

Fafnir_6

[ElAurens]

Hence, UP is known as the "Blue Mod Pack".

The real issue is that even if you have data obtained by cracking IL2's code, you still don't know how the internals of the game's engine use that data.

The MK 108 is a case in point. If you look at the raw data, it has a projectile diameter of 57mm. Yet most agree that it's effectiveness in game is pretty much historical for a 30mm gun. Why? Because of the mechanics of the game engine itself. It is not as cut and dried as "gun X has a 57mm bore so it behaves like a 57mm gun".

But some folks just refuse to understand that salient point, or ignore it on purpose to advance their particular agenda.

[robtek]

Originally Posted by ElAurens

Hence, UP is known as the "Blue Mod Pack".......

And your proof is?

If that wording isn't biased, i don't know what is!

Statements without proof are just noise and smoke!

[Hans Burger]

The real issue is that even if you have data obtained by cracking IL2's code, you still don't know how the internals of the game's engine use that data.

... but reading your previous post, same question for you.

Now, it is very simple to have an objective idea on this subject. Hades has some data, according to quality control follows by DT, I can't imagine that setting of the game cannot be justified by relevant data. Put these data on the table and this point will be closed very quickly.

[JG52Karaya]

Originally Posted by ElAurens

The MK 108 is a case in point. If you look at the raw data, it has a projectile diameter of 57mm. Yet most agree that it's effectiveness in game is pretty much historical for a 30mm gun.

Sorry to say but that is complete nonsense. There actually isnt even a "diameter" variable for any of the aircraft weapons, only a "calibre" value which itself is linked to armour penetration and not the actual calibre.

And I also believe that people have a point here about the bombs, there are very large discrepancies between the bombs of all the various nations (wether its Soviet, US, UK, German, Japanese,...) and wether this is actually realistic should be proven with proper data.

[II/JG54_Emil]

Originally Posted by ElAurens

Hence, UP is known as the "Blue Mod Pack".

The real issue is that even if you have data obtained by cracking IL2's code, you still don't know how the internals of the game's engine use that data.

The MK 108 is a case in point. If you look at the raw data, it has a projectile diameter of 57mm. Yet most agree that it's effectiveness in game is pretty much historical for a 30mm gun. Why? Because of the mechanics of the game engine itself. It is not as cut and dried as "gun X has a 57mm bore so it behaves like a 57mm gun".

But some folks just refuse to understand that salient point, or ignore it on purpose to advance their particular agenda.

Oh man, what are you talking about 57mm?
Which game do you fly?

You apparently haven´t looked into the data of IL2.

In IL2 the MK108 is:
HE(-M)-T
500 m/s
42 g Explosives

historically the MK108 has these values:
HE-(M)-T
540 m/s
85 g (various fillings including TNT, Penthrite wax, and a mix of 75% Hexogen, 20% Al, 5% wax)

and

HE(-M)-T
330 g
505 m/s
72 g (various fillings including TNT, Penthrite wax, and a mix of 75% Hexogen, 20% Al, 5% wax)

While historically 4 shots were needed to down a B-17.
In game you need around 10.


Now please, don´t come with the Luft-wining argument again.
If you want to talk about facts then let´s talk about fact!

Another fact is that the FAB bombs were not always modeled with a super-huge bombradius.

[II/JG54_Emil]

Now I know what ElAurens is talking about.

He is talking about the caliber value, not knowing that the caliber value isn´t representing the caliber.

[ElAurens]

Amusing.

At best.

Hence once 4.10 is released I am done with mods forever.

[Triad773]

Originally Posted by ElAurens

But some folks just refuse to understand that salient point, or ignore it on purpose to advance their particular agenda.

Yes El- and it is a matter of perspective. As knowing your flavour from the Ubi boards, I know that cuts both ways.

You can look at the data, interpret that, then feed it to testers as a group, get a consensus on performance. So nothing is done in a vacuum. So what in your opinion sucks about it? Is it one-sidedness in general, or your one sidedness?