When/what should we post in an Oleg Update thread, and when/what we shouldn't

[Splitter]

We are over complicating this.

Just write your posts thinking that you are facing the other person and that they could punch you in the mouth for being rude .

It's often not what is said but HOW it is said.

Really, that's what is missing on this forum and on nearly every other internet forum. People feel anonymous and safe sitting behind their keyboard. They will say things on the internet that they would never say to your face....or they would figure out a much better way to say it to your face anyway. These are the same people that cut you off in traffic and flip you the bird while doing it....they feel perfectly secure in their two tons of vehicle.

Such attitudes show a person's true character.

I swear, when it suddenly became socially unacceptable to punch an idiot in the mouth society took a turn for the worse .

John Wayne in the Shootist: "I won't be wronged, I won't be insulted, and I won't be laid a hand on. I don't do those things to other people and I require the same of them."

Not a bad thing to keep in mind while posting....

Splitter

[philip.ed]

But why does that person have the right to take Oleg's mantle, or even the mantle of forum moderator, and say that you're post is rude, horrible, rubbish etc ? It might be, but leave that to Oleg to comment as then an argument will just entail. Or, better yet, PM them.

What do you think? I'd be happy to hear what's wrong with this, as topics like this are constructive as long as everyone is humble to eachother.

[ATAG_Dutch]

Originally Posted by philip.ed

But why does that person have the right to take Oleg's mantle, or even the mantle of forum moderator, and say that you're post is rude, horrible, rubbish etc ?

They don't. Also 'rude, horrible, rubbish' are entirely subjective terms equally applicable to most politicians.

Just don't rise to the bait.

[kimosabi]

Originally Posted by Splitter

Really, that's what is missing on this forum and on nearly every other internet forum. People feel anonymous and safe sitting behind their keyboard. They will say things on the internet that they would never say to your face....or they would figure out a much better way to say it to your face anyway. These are the same people that cut you off in traffic and flip you the bird while doing it....they feel perfectly secure in their two tons of vehicle.

I'd have to disagree. I'm much more direct and argumentative IRL than on the internet. Well, I don't cut off people in traffic and flip them off but in my opinion, you can't compare the two.

[Spudkopf]

I think it all comes down to limits, it is OK to politely ask your “one or two” questions or make your on topic observations, if you are then fortunate enough to get an official response be greatful and accept that answer and do not then try to push for even more.

If due the language barrier you feel that the response may be not have fully addressed your querry/observation then maybe you just have to learn to accept this fact and move on.

If you still feel so passionate about a particular item then instead of harping on about continually in the update thread, move off and start a new thread where it can live or die on it’s own merits.

I truly believe that if the a subject is worthwhile then the community or the Dev’s will take notice.

Maybe it would also be courteous that before posting questions to at least try and do a forum search to see if the subject has already been addressed.

Sadly truth be known, self control is a virtue that appears to be sadly lacking here!

Lastly the deliberate negative and or obviously rude posts that are the catalyst for much of the issues should not be tolerated and removed.

[klem]

Originally Posted by Splitter

We are over complicating this.

Just write your posts thinking that you are facing the other person and that they could punch you in the mouth for being rude .
................ People feel anonymous and safe sitting behind their keyboard. They will say things on the internet that they would never say to your face....

I swear, when it suddenly became socially unacceptable to punch an idiot in the mouth society took a turn for the worse .

Splitter

Splitter, with respect I think your missing the point. You and I might post as you describe, some others never will and that is what is causing a lot of the problems. Some will go along with it and some will not. How can we persuade them? Some of them actually enjoy being controversial and arrogant and its too difficult to police.

The real downside is we lose sight of Olegs views and he of ours. That's why I tried to think of a way to manage the problem by structuring it in a way that keeps the important stuff separated from the dross. We'll alway get the dross but we and Oleg could pick out what we need and leave Olegs update posts clean.

Anyway I doubt if Oleg would be willing to do as I suggest but it was an idea.

"Maybe it would also be courteous that before posting questions to at least try and do a forum search to see if the subject has already been addressed."
Actually I found the Search facility doesn't always turn up the answer. Better to search through Oleg's answers (as I was told how to do). But an FAQ as someone suggested would be just great.

[Splitter]

Originally Posted by klem

Splitter, with respect I think your missing the point. You and I might post as you describe, some others never will and that is what is causing a lot of the problems. Some will go along with it and some will not. How can we persuade them? Some of them actually enjoy being controversial and arrogant and its too difficult to police.

The real downside is we lose sight of Olegs views and he of ours. That's why I tried to think of a way to manage the problem by structuring it in a way that keeps the important stuff separated from the dross. We'll alway get the dross but we and Oleg could pick out what we need and leave Olegs update posts clean.

Anyway I doubt if Oleg would be willing to do as I suggest but it was an idea.

"Maybe it would also be courteous that before posting questions to at least try and do a forum search to see if the subject has already been addressed."
Actually I found the Search facility doesn't always turn up the answer. Better to search through Oleg's answers (as I was told how to do). But an FAQ as someone suggested would be just great.

You're not wrong, some people will never change. But maybe the answer is to move or delete rude posts. Maybe if their voice is not being heard they will change tactics.

BTW, I think I have seen a change in some of the posters here so just maybe some things are working a little. We can but hope lol.

Splitter

[Spudkopf]

Originally Posted by klem

"Maybe it would also be courteous that before posting questions to at least try and do a forum search to see if the subject has already been addressed."
Actually I found the Search facility doesn't always turn up the answer. Better to search through Oleg's answers (as I was told how to do). But an FAQ as someone suggested would be just great.

Klem

Sadly due to my geographical location the Friday updates are usually a Saturday morning update for me and by the time I get to have a look the thread it has usually either blown out or self destructed due mass debates (pun intended) that clutter the thread, so I have to resort to the Oleg filter to see what’s going on, which means I might actually miss out on stuff that could still be relevant, but that’s something I just have to live with.

[BadAim]

Originally Posted by kimosabi

I'd have to disagree. I'm much more direct and argumentative IRL than on the internet. Well, I don't cut off people in traffic and flip them off but in my opinion, you can't compare the two.

I think Splitter was referring to normal people, Mate. Not thinking people (In which category I [mostly] place you BTW ). Fortunately IMO flight sims tend to attract more of the latter than the former. Reason has, to the detriment of all society, gone out of fashion methinks.

If we reasonable people conspire to "ignore to death" the fools among us, things might take a turn for the better....it sure as hell beats joining them. (and I count myself amongst the guilty)

[WTE_Galway]