When/what should we post in an Oleg Update thread, and when/what we shouldn't

[Splitter]

We are over complicating this.

Just write your posts thinking that you are facing the other person and that they could punch you in the mouth for being rude .

It's often not what is said but HOW it is said.

Really, that's what is missing on this forum and on nearly every other internet forum. People feel anonymous and safe sitting behind their keyboard. They will say things on the internet that they would never say to your face....or they would figure out a much better way to say it to your face anyway. These are the same people that cut you off in traffic and flip you the bird while doing it....they feel perfectly secure in their two tons of vehicle.

Such attitudes show a person's true character.

I swear, when it suddenly became socially unacceptable to punch an idiot in the mouth society took a turn for the worse .

John Wayne in the Shootist: "I won't be wronged, I won't be insulted, and I won't be laid a hand on. I don't do those things to other people and I require the same of them."

Not a bad thing to keep in mind while posting....

Splitter

[philip.ed]

But why does that person have the right to take Oleg's mantle, or even the mantle of forum moderator, and say that you're post is rude, horrible, rubbish etc ? It might be, but leave that to Oleg to comment as then an argument will just entail. Or, better yet, PM them.

What do you think? I'd be happy to hear what's wrong with this, as topics like this are constructive as long as everyone is humble to eachother.

[ATAG_Dutch]

Originally Posted by philip.ed

But why does that person have the right to take Oleg's mantle, or even the mantle of forum moderator, and say that you're post is rude, horrible, rubbish etc ?

They don't. Also 'rude, horrible, rubbish' are entirely subjective terms equally applicable to most politicians.

Just don't rise to the bait.

[kimosabi]

Originally Posted by Splitter

Really, that's what is missing on this forum and on nearly every other internet forum. People feel anonymous and safe sitting behind their keyboard. They will say things on the internet that they would never say to your face....or they would figure out a much better way to say it to your face anyway. These are the same people that cut you off in traffic and flip you the bird while doing it....they feel perfectly secure in their two tons of vehicle.

I'd have to disagree. I'm much more direct and argumentative IRL than on the internet. Well, I don't cut off people in traffic and flip them off but in my opinion, you can't compare the two.

[Spudkopf]

I think it all comes down to limits, it is OK to politely ask your “one or two” questions or make your on topic observations, if you are then fortunate enough to get an official response be greatful and accept that answer and do not then try to push for even more.

If due the language barrier you feel that the response may be not have fully addressed your querry/observation then maybe you just have to learn to accept this fact and move on.

If you still feel so passionate about a particular item then instead of harping on about continually in the update thread, move off and start a new thread where it can live or die on it’s own merits.

I truly believe that if the a subject is worthwhile then the community or the Dev’s will take notice.

Maybe it would also be courteous that before posting questions to at least try and do a forum search to see if the subject has already been addressed.

Sadly truth be known, self control is a virtue that appears to be sadly lacking here!

Lastly the deliberate negative and or obviously rude posts that are the catalyst for much of the issues should not be tolerated and removed.

[BadAim]

Originally Posted by kimosabi

I'd have to disagree. I'm much more direct and argumentative IRL than on the internet. Well, I don't cut off people in traffic and flip them off but in my opinion, you can't compare the two.

I think Splitter was referring to normal people, Mate. Not thinking people (In which category I [mostly] place you BTW ). Fortunately IMO flight sims tend to attract more of the latter than the former. Reason has, to the detriment of all society, gone out of fashion methinks.

If we reasonable people conspire to "ignore to death" the fools among us, things might take a turn for the better....it sure as hell beats joining them. (and I count myself amongst the guilty)

[WTE_Galway]

[Splitter]

Hey Galway,

You and I fit the profile for the second cartoon lol. I printed that one out for my wife some time ago .

Splitter

[KOM.Nausicaa]

This forum needs a more present and more sever moderation. It's a pain for more than 80% of the users here -- and for Oleg and others from 1C -- to wade through childish flame wars in the update threads. This forum is not like any other on the internet -- it's a privileged meeting point with a developer. You could think of it as being invited into Oleg's office if you wish. If anything, this forum should be more severely moderated than others, and not the other way around.

[Blackdog_kt]

Originally Posted by Spudkopf

If you still feel so passionate about a particular item then instead of harping on about continually in the update thread, move off and start a new thread where it can live or die on it’s own merits.

That's actually very good advice. When people where debating systems modelling and clickable cockpits we took it up in a different thread. It ended up being more focused, it highlighted the real issue of why people wanted such features, plus if enough of them wanted it (via a poll).
In the end we got both of these features, systems modelling as a difficulty setting and clickable cockpits as an interface option, which means that everyone can choose what they want to use instead of forcing their preferences on one another. It was a very good outcome for everyone and showed what's the proper way to go about it.

As for moderation now, i agree that having 2-3 members of the 1c staff on the job would be good. Nearmiss is a volunteer and while he's doing a reasonable job (commendable even, concering the circumstances), he's one guy doing it out of his own free time and he can't be expected to be everywhere all the time.

Having a bit stricter moderation in the update threads by actual 1c employees would help things a bit.

Moderation is a big subject however, as it tends to be a double edged sword. On one hand, a company employee might be prone to silencing people who don't follow the "party line", on the other one a community member might be prone to silencing people who don't agree with his personal opinion. It's very difficult to find moderators that actually punish bad form and bad manners instead of difference of opinion.

That being said, i think that in the case of this company and with their proven track record of patience and community interaction, having moderators that are part of the company staff would not result in muffling out the voices of those who are critical of the games produced. After all, they do seem to value the input even if it's not all praises.