oleg, the ejected pilot in Lockon-2 walks home after landing

[AndyJWest]

Like I said, a gimmick.

I'm not sure that Oleg has ever stated that vehicles will be controllable in BoB. He has said that the sim engine will support it, but that isn't the same thing.

To make 'walking home' at all realistic you would have to hugely increase the amount of detail at ground level, and then model other people to 'evade' etc. Allied pilots who bailed over continental Europe and managed to evade capture often took weeks if not months to reach safe territory (Spain or Switzerland usually). They often only managed this with the help of the local Resistance. Should Oleg model them too? Ridiculous.

EDIT

'why something might hinder the gameplay etc'? I've already answered this. There are finite resources available. Would you rather have (a) another flyable aircraft, or (b) a barbed wire fence all along the Swiss border, and a motorbike to jump it? Which do you expect to use more often?

[whatnot]

Originally Posted by AndyJWest

Like I said, a gimmick.
'why something might hinder the gameplay etc'? I've already answered this. There are finite resources available. Would you rather have (a) another flyable aircraft, or (b) a barbed wire fence all along the Swiss border, and a motorbike to jump it? Which do you expect to use more often?

No need to exaggerate the requests in order to prove your point. I talked about running to the plane you're talking about cutting barbed wire fence to make people's suggestions sound like crap. Relax dude.. or were you appointed the judge and jury on what is relevant and what is not for all the future SOW customers?

The team is already spending time making hangar doors open, glass crack realistically etc which are just as much of a gimmick as a request of running to a plane. And why is that? Immersion.

[Ernst]

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[AndyJWest]

Whatnot, the first part of my last post was directed at Zapatista's suggestion, not yours. He has already suggested the pilot encountering "enemy ground forces, i presume they would shoot at him".

I think that there is a lack of understanding about the complexities involved in turning an air-combat-simulator into a ground-based RPG. Moving hanger doors involve a minor bit of coding on a 3-d model, together with a minimal function to operate as required. Realistic glass cracking probably involves little more than a carefully-scaled bitmap. AI for ground troops, extra terrain detail and all the rest would probably involve almost as much work as the core air-combat functions. I'm sure it could be done (in fact already has been to some extent in many RPG games), but only at the expense of compromises and simplifications of the core objective of the sim.

I'm not trying to act as 'judge and jury', I'm providing evidence for why it isn't a good idea, though frankly I think it is such a non-starter that 1C:Maddox wouldn't even consider it.

[whatnot]

Originally Posted by AndyJWest

Whatnot, the first part of my last post was directed at Zapatista's suggestion, not yours. He has already suggested the pilot encountering "enemy ground forces, i presume they would shoot at him".

Ah, ok. Thanks for clarifying. I thought the lack of update this friday made everyone go nuts.

I understood from the suggestion that the AI pilots would run towards their home base instead of running the 20 meters to random direction after which they duck and cover.
If it was a human player he must be a real trooper to actually run for two hours on a ground surface as simple as LockOn offers to reach their base instead of respawning.

Implementing running to a plane I assume is relatively easy to implement. You already have the animated running pilot model and the physics to interact with the gound (atleast IL2 had it. So all you'd have to do is implement the keyboard controls to guide the direction and camera to follow the head and trace the mouselook.

Atleast it sounds simple writing it in two centences.

[AndyJWest]

Yes, a bit of mutual misunderstanding all round, I think.

Your basic 'running pilot' animation sounds do-able, though getting him to climb into the plane might be a challenge. To be realistic, you'd also need an erk animation (or Luftwaffe equivalent) to help with the harness etc, so it all starts to look a bit complicated. Not totally out of the question I suppose. Maybe an add-on?

[Ernst]

Its is easier to add button in the ESC control panel with the option "Try To Escape" in case you get captured. The game works a internal probability program that states in if you escaped or captured in just a moment. Parameters of probability function ll depend of distance of your own lines, enemy concentration in area, concentration of your forces, kind of terrain etc. You can push the button or wait a rescue mission like airforce war. Remenber that pressing the button ll be a possibility to get killed during escape. All generated by an internal function only. Hehe...

Much better this way if you would like a possibility to escape, even 3rd party can do this.

[Ernst]

Even i can program a routine to do this. But there is no need for Oleg and his team work in this, its something that can be added by 3rd party and community.

[Igo kyu]

Originally Posted by whatnot

I talked about running to the plane you're talking about cutting barbed wire fence to make people's suggestions sound like crap.

It's from the film, The Great Escape. Steve McQueen attempts to jump a barbed wire fence on a motorcycle.

I wouldn't mind walking to the aircraft from a building, or maybe a field, on the base, but walking back to base from some random bail-out position potentially dozens of miles away? No way Jose. I like FPSs, but I don't want one in the middle of my flight simulator.