what E versions of Bf109 will be flyable?

[zakkandrachoff]

what E versions of Bf109 will be flyable?

This is taken from Oleg in 2009 from this site:
http://heinkill.webs.com/stormofwarnews.htm

Oleg said in November 2009 the following list was 'close to true'

Flyable:

G-50
BR-20
Bf-109 E1, E-3 (will feature Bf109E1 and two variants of E3)
Bf-110
Ju-87 B-2
Ju-88 A-1
He-111.
Spitfire MkI
Hurricane MkI
Bristol Bolingbroke.
Su-26


what is the variant of E-3 version? I canot find info about it! and E-4? E-4 was in combat in 1940

some information:

Variants

Bf 109E-0

This was the pre-production variant and was identical to the E-1.

E-1:

The first production model of the Bf 109E. The E-1 started off with four MG-17 machine guns, two over the engine cowling and two in the wings, and a DB 601A engine. Production began at the start of 1939 when the engine became available.

Some sources suggest that later Bf 109E-1s had the wing guns replaced by two MG/FF cannon. However, the cannon equipped fighters can be easily identified in pictures – the larger cannon needed a small bulge to be added under the wings and the barrel of the cannon protrudes from the front of the wing.

Bf 109E-1/B

A fighter-bomber version of the E-1. The Bf 109 E-1/B was a dive bomber, capable of carrying either four 50-kilo/ 110 pound bombs or one 250-kilo/ 550 pound bomb (some sources suggest it could only carry the larger bomb). The bomb was aimed using the standard gun sight. Accuracy was poor. One Staffel in each Jagdgeschwader was equipped with the jabo version during the Battle of Britian.
E-2

The Bf-109 E-2 was a short lived attempt to mount a single MG/FF cannon inside the engine, firing through the propeller hub. It also had two MG 17 machines guns. This design was not a success – the engine mounted cannon caused too many problems – and it did not enter mass production.

Bf 109E-3:

The E-3 was the second main variant of the 109E. It appeared towards the end of 1939. It had an MG FF/M cannon firing through the airscrew hub, and mounted inside the engine. The engine was also changed to the DB 601Aa, providing another 76 hp of power. The extra cannon was not popular with the pilots, and was often removed once the aircraft reached front line units. Its position inside the engine had produced massive vibration, which caused the gun to be inaccurate and jam. Most E-3 models had the machine guns in the wing replaced by 20-mm MG FF cannons, giving this model much greater firepower than the E-1, even without the engine mounted gun.

Bf 109E-4:

The E-4 saw the engine mounted cannon finally abandoned. The wing mounted cannons were upgraded to the MG FF/M, which gave a higher rate of fire. The cockpit canopy was also modified. It first appeared in July 1940, and played a significant role in the Battle of Britain. German figures for fighter losses show 249 E-1s, 32 E-3s and 344 E-4s lost in the second half of 1940. It would have been relatively easy to upgrade a 109E-3 to the E-4 specifications, and this is what may have happened to many of the older fighter.

Bf 109E-4/B “Jabo”

The fighter-bomber variant of the E-4, first used against shipping in the Channel during July 1940. It could carry one 250kg or four 50kg bombs. It was not popular amongst pilots, but one Staffel in each Jagdgeschwader was converted to the E-4/B.

Bf 109E-4/N

Similar to the standard E-4, but with a DB 601N engine. This engine provided slightly increased horsepower, and could be boasted to 1270 h.p. for one minute to provide extra power in emergencies.

Bf 109E-4/Trop

A version equipped with special tropical equipment, designed for use in the desert. Trop versions had sand filters for the engines.

Bf 109E-5:

A reconnaissance fighter, identical to the E-4, but with the wing mounted cannons removed and a RB 21/19 camera mounted in the fuselage. This was a great improvement on the E-6.

Bf 109E-6:

A reconnaissance fighter made by adding the DB 601N engine to an E-3 airframe, equipped with the four MG-17s of the E-1. Photographs were taken with a hand-held camera. Something of a stop-gap as a reconnaissance aircraft.

Bf 109E-7:

The E-7 was a long range fighter derived from the E-4/N. Like that aircraft it had the DB 601N engine, two MG-17 machine guns in the engine cowling and two MG/FF cannon in the wings. However, it also had attachments for a 300 litre drop tank, giving it a significantly extended range. The same attachments could also be used to fit a SC 250 bomb rack, allowing the E-7 to carry a single 250 kg bomb.

http://www.historyofwar.org/articles...s_bf_109E.html





very shine the E version whit cannon in the engine dont work fine

[Lucas_From_Hell]

Maybe the 2nd variant of E-3 is a field modification to bring it up to E-4 standards?

[Blackdog_kt]

Or maybe the two E3 variants will differ on armament, one has the nose gun (2xMg17,3x20mm) and the other doesn't?

[zakkandrachoff]

Originally Posted by Blackdog_kt

Or maybe the two E3 variants will differ on armament, one has the nose gun (2xMg17,3x20mm) and the other doesn't?

I never read that Emil have 3 cannons. When put the cannon in the wings, they take away the problematic engine cannon. I can’t understand why in the engine don´t put a mg17. More center firing power.

And in the beginning of the war so many Version E-1 whit 2mg 17 in the nose and 1mg17 in each wing was change to MM GG cannon in wings. So, when we read that so many E1 fight in the channel, is that almost of they have a MM GG in wings.

Hope Oleg does so many skins for bf109. Not only yellow nose.

[Blackdog_kt]

Originally Posted by zakkandrachoff

I never read that Emil have 3 cannons.

Well, it's in your first post

Originally Posted by zakkandrachoff

Bf 109E-3:

The E-3 was the second main variant of the 109E. It appeared towards the end of 1939. It had an MG FF/M cannon firing through the airscrew hub, and mounted inside the engine. The engine was also changed to the DB 601Aa, providing another 76 hp of power. The extra cannon was not popular with the pilots, and was often removed once the aircraft reached front line units. Its position inside the engine had produced massive vibration, which caused the gun to be inaccurate and jam. Most E-3 models had the machine guns in the wing replaced by 20-mm MG FF cannons, giving this model much greater firepower than the E-1, even without the engine mounted gun.

The way i read this, it means that most E3s had MGFF cannons in the wings to replace the machine guns, while some E3s had a cannon in the nose too but most of them were removed in the field (even if they were factory fitted to start with). At least that's what i understand from your initial post.

So, the amount of possible variations would be:
2xMG17 (cowling) 2xMGFF (wings)
2xMG17 (cowling) 2xMG17 (wings)
2xMG17 (cowling) 2xMG17 (wings) 1xMGFF (nose)
2xMG17 (cowling) 2xMGFF (wings) 1xMGFF (nose)---> 3 cannons

[zakkandrachoff]

2xMG17 (cowling) 2xMGFF (wings) 1xMGFF (nose)---> 3 cannons[/QUOTE]

mmmm, i don´t know.

it said that the machine guns in the wing was replaced by 20-mm MG FF cannons, even without the engine mounted gun.

it means: or 2 MG FF in the wings, and 2 in the nose.

or

1 MG FF in the engine, and 2 in the nose, and 2 in the wings

in other site i read this:

Armament: two MG 17 7.9-mm machine guns with 1,000 rpg; two MG FF 20-mm cannon in wings with 60 rpg; optional engine-mounted MG FF/M 20-mm cannon with 200 rounds (note with engine cannon, machine gun armament dropped to 500 rpg)

if Oleg put the engine cannon, hope he don't remember the problems that it implicate... massive vibration, inaccurate, jam...

Will be great, 1 center cannon, 2 center machineguns, and another 2 machine guns in the wings. nicy

[TheGrunch]

I've heard several times that the 109E never had an engine-mounted gun apart from as a problematic prototype that never went into production and that it's just a misconception that's been reprinted since an author in the '60s initially made the mistake of writing it. The best argument I heard against it being possible is that the oil tank would be in the way of the breech. This is just a vague recollection, though.

[Crumpp]

I've heard several times that the 109E never had an engine-mounted gun apart from as a problematic prototype that never went into production and that it's just a misconception that's been reprinted since an author in the '60s initially made the mistake of writing it.

The Emil never had an engine mounted cannon. The Ersatzteilliste, Flugzeug-Handbuch, Kennblatt, Ladeplan, nor any other documentation used to operate and maintain the aircraft do not reflect an option for an engine mounted cannon.

[csThor]

What Crumpp said.

That "E-3 with central cannon" is BS in its truest form but as sticky as old bubble gum. Just because one author listed it in an ancient book on the 109 series (which was full of errors anyway) and because countless other authors were too lazy to check the facts themselves and copied said mistakes it doesn't mean it's true, you know?

[Skarphol]

Originally Posted by Crumpp

The Emil never had an engine mounted cannon.

What is the purpose of the gun port in the spinner on various E-models, if it is not for an engine mounted gun?

Skarphol