what E versions of Bf109 will be flyable?

[Blackdog_kt]

Or maybe the two E3 variants will differ on armament, one has the nose gun (2xMg17,3x20mm) and the other doesn't?

[zakkandrachoff]

Originally Posted by Blackdog_kt

Or maybe the two E3 variants will differ on armament, one has the nose gun (2xMg17,3x20mm) and the other doesn't?

I never read that Emil have 3 cannons. When put the cannon in the wings, they take away the problematic engine cannon. I can’t understand why in the engine don´t put a mg17. More center firing power.

And in the beginning of the war so many Version E-1 whit 2mg 17 in the nose and 1mg17 in each wing was change to MM GG cannon in wings. So, when we read that so many E1 fight in the channel, is that almost of they have a MM GG in wings.

Hope Oleg does so many skins for bf109. Not only yellow nose.

[Blackdog_kt]

Originally Posted by zakkandrachoff

I never read that Emil have 3 cannons.

Well, it's in your first post

Originally Posted by zakkandrachoff

Bf 109E-3:

The E-3 was the second main variant of the 109E. It appeared towards the end of 1939. It had an MG FF/M cannon firing through the airscrew hub, and mounted inside the engine. The engine was also changed to the DB 601Aa, providing another 76 hp of power. The extra cannon was not popular with the pilots, and was often removed once the aircraft reached front line units. Its position inside the engine had produced massive vibration, which caused the gun to be inaccurate and jam. Most E-3 models had the machine guns in the wing replaced by 20-mm MG FF cannons, giving this model much greater firepower than the E-1, even without the engine mounted gun.

The way i read this, it means that most E3s had MGFF cannons in the wings to replace the machine guns, while some E3s had a cannon in the nose too but most of them were removed in the field (even if they were factory fitted to start with). At least that's what i understand from your initial post.

So, the amount of possible variations would be:
2xMG17 (cowling) 2xMGFF (wings)
2xMG17 (cowling) 2xMG17 (wings)
2xMG17 (cowling) 2xMG17 (wings) 1xMGFF (nose)
2xMG17 (cowling) 2xMGFF (wings) 1xMGFF (nose)---> 3 cannons

[zakkandrachoff]

2xMG17 (cowling) 2xMGFF (wings) 1xMGFF (nose)---> 3 cannons[/QUOTE]

mmmm, i don´t know.

it said that the machine guns in the wing was replaced by 20-mm MG FF cannons, even without the engine mounted gun.

it means: or 2 MG FF in the wings, and 2 in the nose.

or

1 MG FF in the engine, and 2 in the nose, and 2 in the wings

in other site i read this:

Armament: two MG 17 7.9-mm machine guns with 1,000 rpg; two MG FF 20-mm cannon in wings with 60 rpg; optional engine-mounted MG FF/M 20-mm cannon with 200 rounds (note with engine cannon, machine gun armament dropped to 500 rpg)

if Oleg put the engine cannon, hope he don't remember the problems that it implicate... massive vibration, inaccurate, jam...

Will be great, 1 center cannon, 2 center machineguns, and another 2 machine guns in the wings. nicy

[TheGrunch]

I've heard several times that the 109E never had an engine-mounted gun apart from as a problematic prototype that never went into production and that it's just a misconception that's been reprinted since an author in the '60s initially made the mistake of writing it. The best argument I heard against it being possible is that the oil tank would be in the way of the breech. This is just a vague recollection, though.

[Crumpp]

I've heard several times that the 109E never had an engine-mounted gun apart from as a problematic prototype that never went into production and that it's just a misconception that's been reprinted since an author in the '60s initially made the mistake of writing it.

The Emil never had an engine mounted cannon. The Ersatzteilliste, Flugzeug-Handbuch, Kennblatt, Ladeplan, nor any other documentation used to operate and maintain the aircraft do not reflect an option for an engine mounted cannon.

[csThor]

What Crumpp said.

That "E-3 with central cannon" is BS in its truest form but as sticky as old bubble gum. Just because one author listed it in an ancient book on the 109 series (which was full of errors anyway) and because countless other authors were too lazy to check the facts themselves and copied said mistakes it doesn't mean it's true, you know?

[Skarphol]

Originally Posted by Crumpp

The Emil never had an engine mounted cannon.

What is the purpose of the gun port in the spinner on various E-models, if it is not for an engine mounted gun?

Skarphol