Let us please avoid the black screen in next sim.

[Letum]

I love the BkSOD.

[MikkOwl]

Originally Posted by T.}{.O.R.

Well, after some thought I have to agree it would have no relevance. But still, it would be nice to have the aircraft rendered until it hits the ground instead of disappearing in the mid air when one hits re-fly.

Oh certainly! I agree. But these things don't have to be connected to each other. It's just a matter of not making things disappear into thin air regardless of what a user chooses to do.

On that thought - how about making planes (try to) return to base under AI control if a person disconnects/despawns? And not allowing them to return until the AI pilot controlling that plane is dead or landed/bailed out (necessary to avoid people spamming planes or abusing the mechanics, and discouraging them from despawning in mid air). I really hate to see stuff appear and dissappear like that. How much more unimmersive can it get? It's an insult to our sense of reality and has no place in a simulator.

Originally Posted by airmalik

recollection of people that were clinically dead and then revived would suggest otherwise A lot of people in such cases recall out of body experiences and in some cases looking down at their own bodies.

Amusing and, I badly want to believe it means something. But most likely this is hallucinative/dream like states that the brain can experience when it's on the brink of becoming brain dead. "Clinically dead" only means the heart stops beating, by the way, and not that the person (their brain) is dead. My dad once had an experience like this - he fainted in sports class in his school days inside a big building they were playing some team sports in, and he saw himself and everyone from above. Most likely he was dreaming that he was floating around, because he could still hear (somewhat), thus could hear what was being said around him. Matching that with what he imagined things would look like, and it seems convincing enough.

Regardless, I wish very, very much that there is something to these reports other than dreamstates.

Originally Posted by BadAim

LOL, I've always hated that about IL2. I don't think the controls should freeze after death, they should go "limp". Even if the plane is well trimmed it's unlikely that the pilot's body wouldn't interfere with the controls. Even in CFS1 the plane would react to the pilot being killed.

I think it is rare that people just 'die' instantaneously. Only a hit to the neck or head, or strong overpressure (from explosion - instant unconciousness at least) will cause the body to go auto-limp without any special input. In such cases, I think it depends on the control forces involved and what the pilot was doing at that moment. Elevator controls are very light on a Fw 190 for example, at low speeds, and I can imagine that it would either nose down or up if the hand even lightly started pulling on the stick.

But to get other reactions, the situations where lack of control isn't instantaneous (hit to torso or limb), I think it is highly likely the pilot might jerk the stick in some direction as a reflex of the experience, even if death is just seconds away.

The meaning of it all = you have a point, though it is more complicated than one might think.

Originally Posted by Lucas_From_Hell

Poor, poor boy. He can't handle staring at a black screen. Isn't it sad?

It's indeed frustrating and sometimes sad, but that's war, after all!

I agree with most of your post.

But who says he can't handle it? And that he's poor because of it? He just has a different preference to the majority of posters here. Taking it as far as to sarcastically mock/ridicule/insult this fellow is not acceptable. This goes for other posters in this topic as well. Stay respectful. (I have had several experiences in the past where if one expresses anything contrary to popular opinion, people group up, and once they notice most or all don't agree with the deviant fellow, they do away with civil behaviour and can become very unpleasant to extreme levels - bullying/mobbing and so on, much worse than this, as no one will punish them for it).

[Skoshi Tiger]

Originally Posted by BadAim

I don't think the controls should freeze after death, they should go "limp". Even if the plane is well trimmed it's unlikely that the pilot's body wouldn't interfere with the controls. Even in CFS1 the plane would react to the pilot being killed.

The pilot's body should be held firmly in it's seat by it's harness and (in my case) +'ve G and hopefully away from the controls

The reason we trim a plane is so it will maintain an attiude (or control deflection) without any force being applied by the pilot.

Now in my case I was trimming the plane on the verge of a black out so that if I went unconcious I wouldn't hit the ground. So there was a substantial nose up trim on my Hurricane.

During the late 40's early 50's a light plane (an Auster) took of from a Sydney airport by it'self (The pilot having got out to hand spin the prop! ) it took off and circled Sydney harbour for several hours while RAAF Mustangs tried to bring it down over the water. The Mustang pilots were quite red faced when the plane ran out of fuel by it's self and crashed into the water!

I guess some planes just want to fly!
Cheers

[Loco-S]

It could be interesting the sound of a really loud "thud" with a loud tinnitus like buzz, and the controls going limp, then the sound of gurgling, like you do when somebody kicks you in the nuts, then the sounds slowly fading and then the progression between tunnel vision and then the black screen...that could be like a warning that you are out for better pastures.

otherwise, its kind of funnily annoying having that black screen.

[doordie]

Since this polarizes people so much please do the sensible thing and have many options.

[Skoshi Tiger]

As a creative work, Oleg and team should be give their artistic licence to interpret death in any way they see fit.

As the developers of damn fine simulations, I sure Oleg and Co would accept any concrete data that anyone can supply that proves their interpretation wrong. They've done it in the past and I'm sure that they would do it in the future. But they are fairly particular about their sources, No hearsay or second hand information.

Any voluneers to gather some objective, first hand data??????

[KG26_Alpha]

As near death experiences go................

Perhaps the user can load a set of images of his/her past, early childhood weddings holiday births deaths etc, into the SoW "RIP" folder.

Then you can have your life flash before your eyes as you "kick the bucket" in your pit.

[_1SMV_Gitano]

Originally Posted by Mango

+1

I agree, the sudden black screen is shocking. I always thought the sound should abruptly cut out too, or at least fade out, first crossing over to a high-pitch ringing.

+1

[Foo'bar]

Originally Posted by _1SMV_Gitano

+1

But then we need a little message "You are dead" or something else, otherwise I could think my dispaly just have died

[Lucas_From_Hell]

It depends on how you die.

Sometimes it's sudden death as we see currently. The problem is, it's not always like that.

When a HE 40mm flak round enters your head, you'll probably be dead before you can say "Shturmovik". In this case, my guess is the sudden end is quite right.

But in other cases, it might be different...