LW VS VVS PLANES at 4.10

[TheGrunch]

Originally Posted by rakinroll

lack of cannon power and weak damage modelling of German fighters

Lolwat.

[rakinroll]

Originally Posted by TheGrunch

Lolwat.

Seems that i can not help you my friend.

[TheGrunch]

What, you mean you're incapable of discussing the points you have made? The 190 is one of the sturdier fighters in the game and the MG151/20 and MK108 are both fantastic cannon. Jeez. I said that with confidence because I have no problem with either. The 109 is one of my favourite aircraft to fly in the game.

[_1SMV_Gitano]

Originally Posted by SturmKreator

Please don't think I am a noob again.

Sorry, wasn't my intention. Anyway try lower prop pitch and set radiator flaps to auto.

[SturmKreator]

Originally Posted by _1SMV_Gitano

Sorry, wasn't my intention. Anyway try lower prop pitch and set radiator flaps to auto.

No problem My friend, but how my english is not so good, many times the people think I am a noob, becouse I can not explain my idea so well, I shall try to do the thing you tell me, thank you

[Tempest123]

Originally Posted by LoBiSoMeM

The first time I flew in 4.10 I jump into a P-51 to test the corrected FM, online.

Got two 109s in turn fights and play with a FW in my tail.

It's just a matter of time to some weak blue pilots start to cry. But yesterday I had a hard time with a good FW pilot chasing me. Now the P-51 is a good match to the FW, before the plane had SERIOUS issues about stability. The changes in FM just let the P-51 more stable and more reliable, two things that usually ruins the day of a pilot if lack.

The P-51 isn't "better" now, is NORMAL. The FW don't have this kind of problem, the 109 don't enter in crazy spins, so, don't need to be fixed.

The p-51 isn't a Spitifre now. TD just "improved" the P-51 from a potential air coffin to a fast plane, because of the corrected lenght in FM.

This is the truth, the most sensible post here. The P-51 fuselage length was corrected (a well known bug) by 40cm, ***that's all***, a 109 can still turn inside a mustang, and a mustang still stalls and spins, honestly I don't know what planes you guys are flying...

"simple remove that charateristic is the right thing to do only because the allies players wants a "better" P-51 to match the German counterparts."

That never happened, nothing was removed or tuned up, just 40cm was added to make the fuselage the correct length. This was a well known bug with the D-models and was visible in the object viewer.

Btw I too fly the 109 regularly and have no problem with it, it flies great, and if you can't shoot stuff down with the cannons, well I can't help you.

[IceFire]

Originally Posted by Ernst

Ok. But how about the positive g's? Check the messages before this one. However i do not tried to trim the Spitfire to verify if it can go to more negative G's yet. Appears it had some positive trim on take off/start.

Despite appearances otherwise the Spitfire is actually a very strong aircraft. I'm not an expert on G tolerances but I have read combat reports and several Spitfires were able to dive to incredible speeds and pull out at the last moment - usually with a warped airframe and had to be scrapped later. Anecdotal but the Spitfire wasn't weak... I'm not sure how it compares to the FW190.

Which FW190 model was it? A-5? What about the D-9?

[rakinroll]

Originally Posted by TheGrunch

What, you mean you're incapable of discussing the points you have made? The 190 is one of the sturdier fighters in the game and the MG151/20 and MK108 are both fantastic cannon. Jeez. I said that with confidence because I have no problem with either. The 109 is one of my favourite aircraft to fly in the game.

This is better, thanks.

According to your comments about FW's stability, i only can say agree but after get damage even with single 50 cal bullet to wing, you can not keep your plane fast and maneuverable after that. It always surprised me because i see only one or few little dot on my wing but the plane acting like old lady. I have experienced this situation many many times for years. So, i really would like the same with red planes.

For cannons, unfortunately we (German pilots in game) have good cannons but extremely strong enemy fighters to kill. Especially, when i fly P39 or La5, even with huge holes on my wings and with black smokes from my engine, i always can fly longer and can do any maneuver without loosing power and stabilization against German fighters. And i do not believe that it is historical.

These are my opinions which i experienced for years. You guys may not agree with me but at least, please do not answer jeeringly.

Regards...

[Baron]

Originally Posted by rakinroll

This is better, thanks.

According to your comments about FW's stability, i only can say agree but after get damage even with single 50 cal bullet to wing, you can not keep your plane fast and maneuverable after that. It always surprised me because i see only one or few little dot on my wing but the plane acting like old lady. I have experienced this situation many many times for years. So, i really would like the same with red planes.

For cannons, unfortunately we (German pilots in game) have good cannons but extremely strong enemy fighters to kill. Especially, when i fly P39 or La5, even with huge holes on my wings and with black smokes from my engine, i always can fly longer and can do any maneuver without loosing power and stabilization against German fighters. And i do not believe that it is historical.

These are my opinions which i experienced for years. You guys may not agree with me but at least, please do not answer jeeringly.

Regards...

My experiance to.


U think it will be changed? Maby when hell freezes over.

[TheGrunch]

Rakinroll, I wouldn't say that's so much a result of bias as damage modeling not being as advanced on the earlier aircraft. You don't *see* so much damage on the 190, but that doesn't mean you haven't received it because it seems like there are only two stages of damage on the 190 wing, mildly peppered and *gone*. The effects of wing damage on the 190 are likely to be more noticeable to the pilot because it has such a high wing loading - a lot higher than the P-39 or La-5. Although I agree that this does seem a tad exaggerated in the game. What I definitely agree with is that the 190 seems to receive a *much* larger penalty to speed with damage than nearly any other aircraft. But then this inconsistency in the DM of planes is not blue or red specific - see the P-40's porcelain engine, for example. Now there's a plane that got a raw deal in the sim, an ugly model means that the opening of the chin radiator is nearly twice as large as it should be, becoming an utter single-bullet engine-failure magnet. Go anywhere near a rear gunner and you may as well turn back to base. And you can't even look good doing it because it has twice the dihedral it should do. Then there's the F6F-5's majorly gimped speed, and the F4U's crazy pendulum-like wobbling behaviour even after coordinated control inputs. There are lots of things people like to point out as "bias" in this game, but in truth, they're a collection of fairly evenly distributed inaccuracies and mistakes across both "sides".