SHOOTING at the OLYMPICS

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Originally Posted by Outlaw

You miss the forest for the trees. The point is that fully automatic weapons are a statistical non-entity in crime. Harping on the subject, as some do, merely highlights one's ignorance of the true situation

Fair enough, but has not been the focus anyways. The problem comes with firearms in general, by their very nature.

Once again, forest for the trees. If absolute numbers are the only criteria for determining increased regulation then firearms should be relegated pretty low on the list.

Which in return begs the question, why the heck are there so many people bound to kill each other in the US? That is, if you do not want to be compared to third worls countries.

"Most people..."???? What about the ones that aren't in your, "most" category? What about the ones that were killed, raped, permanently injured, scarred (emotionally or physically), etc?

Those ones are still not killed, raped, permanently injured or scarred by use or threat of firearms, which still gives them hellova lot more chances to fight back or avoid it all together.

I don't feel the need to die so that, "most", people won't.

Who does? But even if there are lots of ways to threaten, injure or kill people, not a single one is so easy and effortless as is a gun. And worse, a criminal with a firearm can be the weakest of guys, a guy you personally would have no problem getting down. Yet this weapon in his hands equalizes everything. You can be as trained or ready as you want to be, no chance here.

Why does this matter? Because in most cases, you will be unprepared when faced with a gun. So going to your locker room at home and take it out or even trying to get it out of your holster won't help you much anyways in such a situtation.

If you want to be a victim, fine, that's your choice, but don't force me to be one.

See above. I can at least define what kind of victim I am. One with a chance or one without. Reality is not Hollywood, with clear sides and enemies whom you are prepared to welcome propperly.

Or to use a propper example. Most fighters in WW2 were not shot down in dogfights. Most never saw their attackers. So let's leave the rightnousness at the doorsteps, okay?

My only point is that the statistics are purposely skewed for shock value and the studies are purposely designed to mislead.

Possible. That is why I rely on gut feeling when it comes to issues like that. And that gut feelings tells me that there are underlying reasons for the conditions in the US compared to other western nations. Guns may not be the root of that, but they sure fuel the results. Usually using gasoline to put out a fire has ...mixed results.

On a related note, including adult suicides is so beyond asinine it can't even be described. If an adult wants to off themselves, that's their decision and they should be allowed to do so.

Agreed.

I think it's pretty obvious that I was arguing gun crime only. Regardless, common sense should not have to rely on lies and misrepresentation.

Agreed as well.

IMHO, lies and misrepresentation should be left to the ignorant morons (on both sides of gun control).

--Outlaw.

And yep. Though it also requires an open mind "towards" both sides.

Because, you see, I actually do believe that the US, in it's current form, won't be able to move away from guns. They created a sitation that is not changeable over night. Criminals would run amok without civil gun owenership.
However, to actually argue for guns as a matter of principle instead out of temporary nessecity is what makes me wonder so much.