SHOOTING at the OLYMPICS

[nearmiss]

Originally Posted by Canine

ok, let's see here:

Over five thousand years ago, Moses said to the children of Israel, "Pick up your shovels, mount your asses and camels, and I will lead you to the Promised Land."

Nearly 75 years ago, (when welfare was introduced) Roosevelt said, "Lay down your shovels, sit on your asses, and light up a Camel, this is the Promised Land."

Today, Congress has stolen your shovel, taxed your asses, raised the price of Camels, and mortgaged the Promised Land!

I was so depressed last night thinking about health care plans, the economy, the wars, lost jobs, savings, Social Security, retirement funds, GUN CONTROL, ets., I called a suicide hotline. I had to press 1 for English. I was connected to a call center in Pakistan. I told them I was suicidal. They got excited and asked if I could drive a tuck.......

Folks, we're screwed......you better have a gun!

How do I feel about gun control? Come break into my house and find out.

I love it... ROTFLMHO

[tk471138]

Originally Posted by Skoshi Tiger

Yes your right, that’s how society works, we are not 'free' in any way shape or form. We are granted freedoms as long as we toe the line and meet our obligations to our society. Even in your definition you are not 'free', you've put in clauses, who gives you the right to infringe on other peoples freedom?

A lot of the debate in this thread talks about the constitutional right of Americans to bear arms. Good on them. With that right is a huge amount of responsibility to see that those guns are not used for purpose that is not intended by their constitution.

How much responsibility? Responsibility to their faimilies that the guns are stored in appropriate mannor. Their children’s lives are at stake if the guns are stored inappropriately and the kids get access to them (gun safety education is really important). Responsibility to their Neighbors. Their neighbor’s lives are at stake if they go arseing about and firing their guns in an inappropriate manner.

Responsibility to the Law. Correct me if I'm wrong here guys from the USA, but I’d assume if you go walking down the street waving your assault rifle around firing indiscriminately you could expect a bullet in the head from your friendly law enforcement officer?

The freedom your talking about belongs on hippy communes and if it was wide spread it would quickly degenerate into anarchy. Simple as that. (Note that the 'Freedom' in Hippy communities was actually invented by old male hippies to get into young female hippies pants, but that is a completely different issue!)

just cuz you cant infringe on the rights of others dosent mean you are not free...in fact you cant have it any other way....this should be self evident...apparently not for you


and honestly you talk about hippies like a moronic red neck, akin to some south park parody...no one cares about hippies this isnt what this conversation is about....and most hippies are socialists...but of course someone like you HAS to bring up hippies to POPO the idea of real freedom, even though it has nothing to do with it....

[jimson8]

Was thinking I might purchase the game soon but I'm not sure I would be comfortable in a community full of America hating Euros.

Good job losing them a sale.

Who committed the worst mass shooting in recent History?

Here's a hint, it wasn't an American and it wasn't in America

[Wolf_Rider]

Was that the worst mass shooting where even a highly trained high ranking military trainer/ shooter said, he couldn't pull that kind of accuracy off, yet the "shooter" had no training? The same one where "the rifle" was presented to court built from library spares, because the original had been breech blown? The same where a (high capacity) meat wagon was placed on standby weeks beforehand, and removed weeks later?
The same one where the jury didn't get to sit, yet the chap is locked away in isolation?
The same one where a politician, ten years earlier said, "there will never be gun control in this country, until there is a high casualty mass shooting in _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ "? and another high profile pollie was placed into a bullet proof vest to publically announce the gun laws (in supposed) fear of the owners all going berko?

[Skoshi Tiger]

Originally Posted by tk471138

just cuz you cant infringe on the rights of others dosent mean you are not free...in fact you cant have it any other way....this should be self evident...apparently not for you


and honestly you talk about hippies like a moronic red neck, akin to some south park parody...no one cares about hippies this isnt what this conversation is about....and most hippies are socialists...but of course someone like you HAS to bring up hippies to POPO the idea of real freedom, even though it has nothing to do with it....

LOL! Now that you've degrade into base personal attacks, we can see what your real attitude to freedom is. Not very mature TK.

I'ld expect there would be a lot of Red necks out there that would be highly offended by your remarks comparing me to them.

[Hood]

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

your point on masculinity is so puerile... you sure you're not 15?

It's obvious that you have some personal issues with guns, maybe like Bewolf you had some shocking experience when you were young?

I really can't quite understand what sort of twisted, double-standard, denial-based logic one has to apply to be such a contradiction in terms.

Using a war simulator and still thinking that the world is better without guns, go figure!

Not 15 though I wish I were. You keep equating guns and self defence with being a man but seem threatened by someone who disagrees with you. I also did a lot of target shooting when I was younger (22s). I don't think it left me mentally scarred.

And I can distinguish between a game and reality. Go figure.

@ Jimson8 - you misunderstand. Don't look on this as Euros versus USA it's just a polarisation of views that are best characterised by those from Europe (well some of them) and the USA (well some of them).

Hood

[swiss]

Chinese teen kills nine in knife attack

http://news.yahoo.com/chinese-teen-k...102629246.html

[kendo65]

Originally Posted by Canine

...
I was so depressed last night thinking about health care plans, the economy, the wars, lost jobs, savings, Social Security, retirement funds, GUN CONTROL, ets., I called a suicide hotline. I had to press 1 for English. I was connected to a call center in Pakistan. I told them I was suicidal. They got excited and asked if I could drive a tuck.......

...

Very good!

[kendo65]

Originally Posted by tk471138

what you describe isnt freedom...just another misconception perpetuated by the media....

see in a free society unless you infringe or encroach on the rights of others you aught to be left alone....

I don't see how me not being allowed to drive when drunk or take whatever drugs I want doesn't count as infringements on my freedom? Even taking Swiss' point about just not getting caught...

The drunk driving example potentially impinges on other's well-being, but taking drugs in the privacy of my own home bought with my own money? What right does anyone have to say i can't?

(please note I'm not necessarily advocating doing either of these things - obviously just used as an example )

[kendo65]

Originally Posted by nearmiss

Are you aware of the provisions written into the recently passed NDAA bill, already ratified and law of the land?

I don't think you have. Maybe go onto youtube and look it up, let the youtubers explain it to you.

This act was signed into law

Point taken nearmiss. Not good.

But a bit short of tyrannical still.