SHOOTING at the OLYMPICS

[Sternjaeger II]

lol what's happening to the banana forum? Why the formatting is all bonkers?

[rhinomonkey]

Originally Posted by tk471138

but thats the big push....the idea that we are all one big collective or commune where individual A personal actions (what they eat for instance) has an effect on person B somehow and thus person A's and every one else needs the govt to regulate what we can eat since a few people make the argument that cuz their actions impact us so we must regulate it....



we are turning in to a society where the rights of the individual is taking a back seat to the rights of the collective....when in fact in the american system its the rights of the individual that is supposed to be protected....

THAT IS COMMUNISM...and its been a long time comming....


when an external influence can force you to buy a product that you may not need or want....how is that freedom....

can i get the govt to regulate that every person needs to buy cliffs of dover....cuz if everyone spent money on it the devs would have more resources to work with.....


or maybe i should regulate that every home in america needs to hire someone to do lawn care, cuz its dangerous, and thus only professionals should be ablet to do it....that would surely help my business out....

Seriously, do you really believe that nonsense? universal healthcare will not lead to communism! Just goes to show the level of brain washing that the US has had to suffer due to a string of right wing governments.

Most of Europe has universal state healthcare and are far from communist. The UK has had a national health service since 1948 and has never come even close to being a communist country. The Health service in the US is pitiful compared to the rest of the developed world.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_...ther_countries

A communist country has a 100% planned economy which means the state decides the level of demand rather then the free market. Introducing universal healthcare is not going to tear down the very fabric of the US market led economy, in fact it may help as a large proportion of bankrupsy in the US is due to not being able to meet healthcare costs.

Communism usually comes hand in hand with a brutal totalitarian regime. I think the USA is in no danger of turning into that kind of state.

[Outlaw]

Originally Posted by Whizkid

"And now for something completely different", could you tell us a little about that beautiful Corvette that's your avatar, Outlaw?

Thanks WK...

It's an all matching numbers 1973 big block (454cid), 4 speed Muncie M21 close ratio transmission, factory AC, PB, and PS.

She's not the most rare or desirable in terms of collectibles, but, '73 was the only year with the chrome rear end and plastic front end which is the one I prefer.

She runs great but has a slight exhaust manifold leak on the driver's side that needs a new gasket. I take her out for short little trips here and there just to keep the dry rot away. She's not show quality but I don't believe in show cars, I believe in driver cars!

--Outlaw.

PS
Just to keep it on the topic of shooting, the firearm is under the driver's seat.

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by Outlaw

PS
Just to keep it on the topic of shooting, the firearm is under the driver's seat.

lol is that legal in your neck of the woods?

[tk471138]

Originally Posted by rhinomonkey

Seriously, do you really believe that nonsense? universal healthcare will not lead to communism! Just goes to show the level of brain washing that the US has had to suffer due to a string of right wing governments.

Most of Europe has universal state healthcare and are far from communist. The UK has had a national health service since 1948 and has never come even close to being a communist country. The Health service in the US is pitiful compared to the rest of the developed world.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_...ther_countries

A communist country has a 100% planned economy which means the state decides the level of demand rather then the free market. Introducing universal healthcare is not going to tear down the very fabric of the US market led economy, in fact it may help as a large proportion of bankrupsy in the US is due to not being able to meet healthcare costs.

Communism usually comes hand in hand with a brutal totalitarian regime. I think the USA is in no danger of turning into that kind of state.

since everyone's health care is collectivized , that paves the way for govt to say...well since everyone pays for everyone else, the risky activities and habits that we have no longer affect the individual but now everyone in some way or another.... they will try and outlaw certain things...

next you will see people trying it limit salt or red meat intake, all because some people MIGHT get sick and incur health care costs, that since collectivized health care they can now argue effects everyone....


but yea who cares about protecting the rights of the individual....

its called a slippery slope....

enjoy living in your new collective...or commune...same thing really....

it is clear that you are vastly misinformed...you can start your research on the FDA and how corrupt and a joke that organization is...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0CQr...0&feature=plcp

i mean i guess the problem with health care is ONLY the fact that we didnt have govt intervention....you know it has nothing to do with the FDA being run by drug companies and big agricultural companies....you know it has nothing to do with the influx of GMO crops that we ALL consume now...it has nothing to do with doctors largely abandoning the practice of charity care....O NO the real problem is that the federal govt has not gotten involved, cuz after all they fix everything they touch right....i guess its not a big deal that the FDA sends armed officers to harass and infringe on the rights of natural food growers and sellers...i guess its normal that the FDA would go after raw dairy products, and impose harsh sentences upon those who go against the regulations that the bureaucrats in the fda deem necessary (you know not congress the only governing body that is supposed to be able to create laws)

I guess its normal to go after cherry growers for simply linking to a peer reviewed study that shows cherries has certain benefits....

i guess its normal that supplement makers can not even post the truth about what the vitamins and minerals do for the body...

i guess its normal for a govt in a supposedly free society to force medicate its people through putting fluoride in the water(look at the cases of dental fluorosis in young people, i guess that is normal too)

i mean every time the federal govt gets involved in our lives it makes everything better right...just look at education and how much that has improved since the federal govt got involved...O WAIT the opposite is true....



its clear that most of you people have no idea how destructive the govt is ...it seems that the only thing you fools knows is what ever the mainstreammedia decides to tell you and nothing more...i guess you people cant be bothered to find the truth and would rather blindly put your faith in a bunch of people who want nothing more than to impose their will upon you and your family....


by the way Hitler Stallin Lennin Mao they would all agree gun control is good and gun control WORKS!!! just look at what those great men have done to their people..

[Sternjaeger II]

guys why don't you start another thread about healthcare?

[Bewolf]

Originally Posted by tk471138

since everyone's health care is collectivized , that paves the way for govt to say...well since everyone pays for everyone else, the risky activities and habits that we have no longer affect the individual but now everyone in some way or another.... they will try and outlaw certain things...

next you will see people trying it limit salt or red meat intake, all because some people MIGHT get sick and incur health care costs, that since collectivized health care they can now argue effects everyone....


but yea who cares about protecting the rights of the individual....

its called a slippery slope....

enjoy living in your new collective...or commune...same thing really....

Only if it is placed in government institutions. Over here it is run by independent non profit organisations, whose simple goal is too keep tarifs at exactly the heights produced by costs. This organisations may react to public pressure (for example currently they run a huge surpolus and there is the argument going if to give the money back to the people by loweing tarifs or safeguard the money for later times when the age problem will hit Germany harder) but else are indepdendent from governmental bodies. Alternativly you may chose private health insurance to your liking.

The only condition by the state is that you have healthcare to begin with.

Btw, the US already has the western worlds most expensive health care system. Per capita the US spends much more then any other country as well. THere is not a lack of money in your system. It is simply extremly inefficient. That happens when private companies start to run a business where they can make money out of exactly that.

If you broke that system of yours you could have much better conditions for the same money or the same for much less. Instead it's become a black and white question, to be or not to be.

[Outlaw]

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

lol is that legal in your neck of the woods?

Yep. If it wasn't legal, I wouldn't be doing it!

--Outlaw.

PS
Please do not take the above statement to be a generalization with regard to any legal/illegal activities in which I may partake!

[tk471138]

Originally Posted by Bewolf

Only if it is placed in government institutions. Over here it is run by independent non profit organisations, whose simple goal is too keep tarifs at exactly the heights produced by costs. This organisations may react to public pressure (for example currently they run a huge surpolus and there is the argument going if to give the money back to the people by loweing tarifs or safeguard the money for later times when the age problem will hit Germany harder) but else are indepdendent from governmental bodies. Alternativly you may chose private health insurance to your liking.

The only condition by the state is that you have healthcare to begin with.

Btw, the US already has the western worlds most expensive health care system. Per capita the US spends much more then any other country as well. THere is not a lack of money in your system. It is simply extremly inefficient. That happens when private companies start to run a business where they can make money out of exactly that.

If you broke that system of yours you could have much better conditions for the same money or the same for much less. Instead it's become a black and white question, to be or not to be.

what if i choose to NOT have health care as someone in my mid twenties and probably 10x healthier than most americans (i dont drink soda, i dont eat any fast food, i make my own food out of my own ingrediants, not processed premade foods. i dont drink alcohol in excess, and im physically active)

o wait i cant choose to NOT buy a product, otherwise some third party (govt) will impose a fine or tax on me....


whats the difference between a thief stealing your money and a govt taking your money (the fruit of your labor) through threat of violence....NOTHING

[von Pilsner]

Originally Posted by tk471138

i guess you are they type of person who when the burglar comes into their home....you show them where your daughter is...

You are way the hell out of line with that comment. What kind of monster would even post that shit?