Friday Update, January 27, 2012

[Sutts]

Originally Posted by Tvrdi

You know something we dont know?

Nope?

Then dont give us false hopes...

TBH, most of us who "whine" really loves old IL2 and for CLOD we had hopes it will be even better. Most of us ACTUALLY PLAY CLOD unlike some die hard fanboys on this board. Last night ACE OF ACES was playin ROF all night. LOL I never saw him in any of the CLOD servers...What do you think wht ppl complain? They care...and they have the right to complain..because of their voice this game is gettin fixed (is it?)....Its really pitty 1C doesnt recruit open beta testers...I would glidely join...

CLOD as it is,...is playable (for us with stronger rigs) but it has serious performance issues (like I said earlier, mostly when effects are near, or more planes etc.) and it would be ME who will "mourn" if they dont succeed in optimising the sim....

If Luthier says "Graphics are virtually complete" then I believe him. My profession is software development so I'm aware how unforseen problems can completely throw a release schedule though. Just keeping my fingers crossed this time.

I'm really glad to hear you can see the potential and want the product to suceed Tvrdi. Some of your posts give the opposite impression but I guess that's just frustration getting the better of you sometimes. I've let my disappointments show in the past too.

I don't mind complaints as long as they don't spread inaccurate information that may hurt the product or constantly repeat a fact that everyone is aware of and the devs are working hard to fix.

Let's just hope they nail it with the next patch.

Originally Posted by Sutts

If Luthier says "Graphics are virtually complete" then I believe him. My profession is software development so I'm aware how unforseen problems can completely throw a release schedule though.....

Well, we will se what will be..when it will be finished...I know the complete engine overhaull is gigantic task...but they could do it before release..this way they would avoid all the fuzz.....I dont mind waiting for products to be complete (before I buy them ehh)....

Originally Posted by Sutts

I'm really glad to hear you can see the potential and want the product to suceed Tvrdi. Some of your posts give the opposite impression but I guess that's just frustration getting the better of you sometimes. I've let my disappointments show in the past too.

The bigger the fan you are, or the bigger the expectations you have - the bigger is the frustration....its so simple...some ppl just dont want to admit...but when ppl like AOA "pops in" its hard to be cool

Originally Posted by Sutts

Let's just hope they nail it with the next patch.

Fingers crossed. Its in our own interest.

[Sutts]

Originally Posted by Tvrdi

Well, we will se what will be..when it will be finished...I know the complete engine overhaull is gigantic task...but they could do it before release..this way they would avoid all the fuzz.....I dont mind waiting for products to be complete (before I buy them ehh)....


The bigger the fan you are, or the bigger the expectations you have - the bigger is the frustration....its so simple...some ppl just dont want to admit...but when ppl like AOA "pops in" its hard to be cool



Fingers crossed. Its in our own interest.

Agreed.

[bongodriver]

Well, we will se what will be..when it will be finished...I know the complete engine overhaull is gigantic task...but they could do it before release..this way they would avoid all the fuzz.....I dont mind waiting for products to be complete (before I buy them ehh)....

Before I get condemned as a 'fanboi', I would just like to say that IMHO it is incoceivable that anyone would release a game in the state COD was in 'knowing' it was going to be such a problem, yes they could have expected a certain level of issues (nobody can deny it was pushed out the door early) but saying they could have fixed the problem before they knew it existed doesn't make sense.

as 'Whiners' and 'anti-whiners' we are still a minority vocal group here (even put together) the silent majority aren't necessarily giving away the true state of things.

Just my oppinion, no attacks, no anti-whining.

Originally Posted by bongodriver

Before I get condemned as a 'fanboi', I would just like to say that IMHO it is incoceivable that anyone would release a game in the state COD was in 'knowing' it was going to be such a problem, yes they could have expected a certain level of issues (nobody can deny it was pushed out the door early) but saying they could have fixed the problem before they knew it existed doesn't make sense.

as 'Whiners' and 'anti-whiners' we are still a minority vocal group here (even put together) the silent majority aren't necessarily giving away the true state of things.

Just my oppinion, no attacks, no anti-whining.

Bongo, you know how the things are going in a world of modern games. There is core team testers, beta team testers, "open beta" testers....nobody realized the game has serious performance issues? I doubt...They knew it (some of them) from the start, and thats why Im so "angry". Just because of that. "Tell the truth from the start, no matter what is it". Its the best way.

But thats history now...lets move on....

[bongodriver]

Originally Posted by Tvrdi

Bongo, you know how the things are going in a world of modern games. There are core team testers, beta team testers, "open beta" testers....nobody realized the game has serious performance issues? I doubt...They knew it (some of them) from the start, and thats why Im so "angry". Just because of that. "Tell the truth from the start, no matter what is it". Its the best way.

But thats history now...lets move on....

I understand that part, but.....the beta testing was probably achieved with relation to the russian version, they didn't anticipate us weird westerners odd concerns for stuff like epilepsy, they got forced to sling in some safeguard stuff by ubi and subsequently forced to sling the game out as soon as it was done without the chance to test......perhaps?

Originally Posted by bongodriver

I understand that part, but.....the beta testing was probably achieved with relation to the russian version, they didn't anticipate us weird westerners odd concerns for stuff like epilepsy, they got forced to sling in some safeguard stuff by ubi and subsequently forced to sling the game out as soon as it was done without the chance to test......perhaps?

Hello Bongo,

Do you remember when Oleg was posting screens in the last few months before release, there were no "AA" ? The terrain was awful and trees, clouds, even railroads were very awkward ? It felt like it was many steps backwards compared to some earlier shots. Something happend in the last few months at 1C. Oleg didn't leave for no reason. To be clear, I am not accusing anyone of any badfaith, but surely things did not go as planned. Why ? We don't know really.
Also the fact that Oleg resigned immediately after Russian's release, is also an indication of big issues with the project.
And of course they knew...You cannot build a sim with so much technology and high end programming and not knowing it is not flawed.
We know COD was not mearly completed at release, but the real question is "why was it released and sold as a fininished product'' ? since we were (fans of IL2 around the world) the ones who'd buy it, and were also the ones who followed every step of developpement and were told to expect a lot (much better than IL2) for 6 years...
That is , in any case, my only unsolved mystery....

[bongodriver]

Originally Posted by kalimba

Hello Bongo,

Do you remember when Oleg was posting screens in the last few months before release, there were no "AA" ? The terrain was awful and trees, clouds, even railroads were very awkward ? It felt like it was many steps backwards compared to some earlier shots. Something happend in the last few months at 1C. Oleg didn't leave for no reason. To be clear, I am not accusing anyone of any badfaith, but surely things did not go as planned. Why ? We don't know really.
Also the fact that Oleg resigned immediately after Russian's release, is also an indication of big issues with the project.
And of course they knew...You cannot build a sim with so much technology and high end programming and not knowing it is not flawed.
We know COD was not mearly completed at release, but the real question is "why was it released and sold as a fininished product'' ? since we were (fans of IL2 around the world) the ones who'd buy it, and were also the ones who followed every step of developpement and were told to expect a lot (much better than IL2) for 6 years...
That is , in any case, my only unsolved mystery....

I am a long time lurker so yes I remember alot of what was going on, I only really joined here on released of COD (just felt I should after so long)

Without doubt there is 'something' being hidden, wether it makes any real difference to our lives to know what it is? personally I don't think so, it's an internal political issue with 1C and none of my business, and I imagine whatever it is could be more damaging to 1C to let on......if you get my meaning.

My view is....what happened.....happened, nothing can be done, but I don't feel we are being conned or cheated.....not by 1C anyway, boycotting 1c in any way is likely to punish the ones that deserve it the least .i.e the devs and the general flight simming community.

[theOden]

Here we are, you fanbois and we haters - slapping and screaming at eachothers out of pure frustration over the game.

At least we get some entertainment from that (to the mods double frustration, both game and us).

Imagine what Luthier and team is going through, to sort this all out :/

oh well, back to harrasing someone

[EAF331 Starfire]

Originally Posted by bongodriver

..........the silent majority aren't necessarily giving away the true state of things.

Why write anything that had allready been written here?!
It won't change neither facts nor what the COD team are working on.

Writing anymore than I have allready done will be a waste of time; Lifetime I don't get back.

I will probably unshelf it when the next patch is released and do a reevaluation. If no patch is released, but a cequel is released I will wait for somebody else to do the evaluation and vote with my feet.