I Want my 4.09 Spit FM's back.........

[Oktoberfest]

Originally Posted by Triggaaar

So the real Spit was designed for idiots, and consequently those idiots never learnt to defeat better planes. It's a wonder any Spit pilot scored a kill.

I'm talking about Oleg's spit, which was modelled very far from the real spitfire.

[LoBiSoMeM]

The new Spit FM is great: now we can stall and even enter in a flat spin with it! I like it!

And I still entering in any MP arena and easily killing or put in a run ANY german 109 or 190 with one "match" Spit and same energy in start of fight. The Spit still turning better, climbing better, and the 25lbs can race one 190.

And still a good pair of 109s using tactics providing great trouble. WWII air combat is about TACTICS and TEAMPLAY, not "Unreal Tournement" online or bad flying in SP. People thing to much about "FMs" and forget the tactics. People don't like to fly togheter.

That's why I like MP with comms and training: better experience, more fun, less whinnig about FMs!

[badatflyski]

Funny, this change was awaited for years and i'm glad it really happenned, i only regret the spit's fm was changed only a few months from the release of il2/SoW/BoB/CoD.

And if our friend FC99 read this, i would add that:
"MAN, you forgot to change 2lines in the BMW_800_Series"

1° Carburetor 1, WTF? still the same error? you're jocking me
2° EngineAcceleration 3.0 WTF again?!? FC, do you search the fight?

[Nicholaiovitch]

It would be nice to hear from the TD chap who must have spent hours researching and then implementing his findings in making the changes to the FM.

Could we please have a detailed response from TD?

From my point of view, I tried to find something from within 4.10 that would help try and fly this new FM with more success.

One of the new additions is the ability to set the value of trim input from within the arming page by selecting a joystick profile (if you are lucky enough to have an X52 or similar with trim input via a wheel and are able to assign an axis). I therefore set about building a joystick profile specifically for the early MkV.

Starting with rudder trim profile (to try and counter the new and very sensitive lateral instability) I ended up with my sliders for rudder trim all set at 35. This enables the use of full right rudder trim for take-off as IRL pilot's manual entries. This also provides a far less sensitive in-flight trim input reducing oscillation. Although not ridding the aileron trim issue problem, it does seem to provide less stick input once a fine rudder trim setting is achieved.

For elevator trim settings, I ended up with the left slider at 40 and the last slider at 85 with a straight line between. This also gives a reduced trim sensitivity and the last setting of 85 gives a stick free approach speed of around 1.3VS (80-90mph) in the landing configuration with approach power of 25-30%.

These settings seem to help provide a profile tailored to the new FM and I am now using them for all the variants.

Until we hear a detailed description of how TD came to produce this new FM, it seems sensible to try and work around it and try and see from their point of view how allowing up to 4 joystick profiles helps to enable one set of controls to fly all the varying aircraft types with all their various trim requirements.

Please TD....could you give us more depth in your reasoning for the changes and help to satisfy the huge interest in this subject.

Thanks...

Nicholaiovitch

[6S.Manu]

Originally Posted by badatflyski

Funny, this change was awaited for years and i'm glad it really happenned, i only regret the spit's fm was changed only a few months from the release of il2/SoW/BoB/CoD.

And if our friend FC99 read this, i would add that:
"MAN, you forgot to change 2lines in the BMW_800_Series"

1° Carburetor 1, WTF? still the same error? you're jocking me
2° EngineAcceleration 3.0 WTF again?!? FC, do you search the fight?

Now I remember! It's FC99 the guy who fought alone in a Spit against 5 Doras and kicked our a$$.

[FC99]

Originally Posted by badatflyski

And if our friend FC99 read this, i would add that:
"MAN, you forgot to change 2lines in the BMW_800_Series"

1° Carburetor 1, WTF? still the same error? you're jocking me
2° EngineAcceleration 3.0 WTF again?!? FC, do you search the fight?

Hi mate,
1. Irrelevant
2. 4.11 , that and some other things too

Originally Posted by Nicholaiovitch

It would be nice to hear from the TD chap who must have spent hours researching and then implementing his findings in making the changes to the FM.

Could we please have a detailed response from TD?

~ 9 months have been spent on research which include everything we could find on the net, visits to UK national archives and discussion with pilot who fly Spitfires.

Is new FM perfect? No it is not but it is still the best you can find in combat flight sim IMO.

Originally Posted by Fenrir

Also, to clarify, I don't want a return to the 4.09 Spitfire FMs; I quite like the new stall/energy characteristics.

The only issue I have is with the lateral trim.

Well, if that's the only issue you have with new FM than we can be quite pleased with the job done. As you probably know, we will release Bug Fix patch and some changes in FM are possible. Some of the planes in 4.10 didn't get latest FM files and AFAIK Spits are among them.

Originally Posted by Wolf_Rider

Between 1940 and 1946, Henshaw flew a total of 2,360 Spitfires and Seafires, more than 10% of total production.[98][99]

And this is how it looked.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCmzY...ayer_embedded#

It is interesting to notice that first time we saw that video was after 4.10 was released, I'd say that our model is very close to what you can see in video.

[Insuber]

Beautiful video FC99, thank you.

6S.Insuber

[fruitbat]

thanks for the work on the spits FC99.

particularly like the implementation of Miss Shilling's orifice.

I think they are much better than in 4.09 in general.

look forward to the bug fix patch, to see how that affects things further, particularly the lateral trim issue, affecting the ability to be able to fly hands off in the spits.

[SEE]

That video was shot in 1941 and very nice too! Has anyone else noticed that the pilot could hold the inverted pass for far longer without the engine cutting out (compared to all IL1946 variants up to 1943)? As a full switch player I would appreciate that being included.......(if my observation is correct of course!)

[Nicholaiovitch]

Originally Posted by fruitbat

thanks for the work on the spits FC99.

particularly like the implementation of Miss Shilling's orifice.

I think they are much better than in 4.09 in general.

look forward to the bug fix patch, to see how that affects things further, particularly the lateral trim issue, affecting the ability to be able to fly hands off in the spits.

+1

Much appreciated response FC99. I would only add that the way the WEP is activated as KWIATEK suggests is not really very real. Better to follow all the other types and have up to 110% boost to cover the WEP and limit it's use before engine problems (realistic engine management) IMHO.

Many thanks for replying and indeed 9 months is a lot of research.

Nicholaiovitch