Am I the only one having this problem? (Multiplayer)

[jb1944]

Almost every multiplayer game I play the following happens:

I am on the enemy planes tail blasting away making numerous hits and so the enemy plane just chrashes which means no points for me. This happens over and over again. The enemy shot up plane crashes deliberately without me gaining the point. This is bad enough but... Then he respawns flies straight into me - I then loose a wing and it says he crashes - next thing I know he got a point!?

Is this just me? or you other chaps finding this?

[The_Goalie_94]

Its called people being coward and stupid...most a like 13 year olds who dont know what their doing...or other people thinking (Ya, this will be better for my team)...my comeback, let them shoot at me a couple of times, then crash...i do it like 5-10 times and then leave...at least untill the update that will fix it.

[jb1944]

Yeah - its really ruining the online games - It would be better that if they do crash and they have sustained damage from another player then that other player should get the kill. Its ridiculous as things are - I mean I have literally blown another aircraft to pieces with smoke pouring out the engine and huge holes in their wing yet they just crash and get a fresh new aircraft with no points given to me!!!

[Wayfindre]

Yes, lots of times it is just plain nosing over into the turf. However, there have been plenty of times, for me at least, when I'm shot all to hell wih several black damage parts showing and despite my best efforts I can't keep it up.. ahem... the plane that is...

[jb1944]

But if you are so shot up you can't keep it up due to damage and you crash due to the enemy fire - you get a brand new aircraft and the other guy gets nothing. in fact you are better off - not only do you have fresh aircraft, you also re-start at a higher altitude!!!!

[Lexandro]

If your playing Realistic or Sim dont be to hard on those that do it. Many times its due to loosing control. You may have shot out their control surfaces.

[Robotic Pope]

Its called people being coward and stupid...most a like 13 year olds who dont know what their doing...or other people thinking (Ya, this will be better for my team)...my comeback, let them shoot at me a couple of times, then crash...i do it like 5-10 times and then leave...at least untill the update that will fix it.

Huh? You are admiting to crashing on purpose? Or do you not mean what you actually wrote? I think alot of the crashes are often people who's control surfaces have been shot. If only the elevators have been destroyed the plane may look like it just flies into the floor on purpose. An out of control plane doesn't have to be spinning. Last night someone shot out my right wings ailerons only, so I still had stable flight but with zero roll capability.

So just because someone crashes don't asume they did it on purpose. Hopefully after its fixed in the patch we will have heard the last of this.

[jb1944]

But this is exactly my point. If by my action their controls have been shot up and they crash because of my shots then surely I deserve the kill? instead because I have shot them up they then crash I get no kill and next I see them above me on a head on collision path about to get a point without firing shot. as mentioned above I only play sim or realistic.

I argue that yes people do crash on purpose but worst also people that generally have lost control due to my shooting them up should mean I get a kill. i.e. like in the real air war of ww2!!

In simple terms:

If I so much as shoot one bullet that hits an enemy aircraft that leads to them loosing control and chrashing = I should get a point.
If I so much as shoot up an enemy aircraft to the point its so shot up but the enemy cheats and crashes to get a fresh aircraft = I should get a point

[Wayfindre]

But this is exactly my point. If by my action their controls have been shot up and they crash because of my shots then surely I deserve the kill? instead because I have shot them up they then crash I get no kill and next I see them above me on a head on collision path about to get a point without firing shot. as mentioned above I only play sim or realistic.

I argue that yes people do crash on purpose but worst also people that generally have lost control due to my shooting them up should mean I get a kill. i.e. like in the real air war of ww2!!

I'm not sure you saw or heard, but the DEVs are implementing a patch that solves this issue. They say soon, but there is no hard date set.

[Robotic Pope]

jb1944, As we said it is being fixed for the patch.

[Wayfindre]

I argue that yes people do crash on purpose but worst also people that generally have lost control due to my shooting them up should mean I get a kill. i.e. like in the real air war of ww2!!

On a side note, in the real war, if a plane was shot up and smoking but was lost sight of... and the pilot nor anyone else subsequently saw the crash, it didn't count as an "official" kill.

[jb1944]

Tally-bally-ho! Thats great, wasn't aware they were sorting this! Thanks.

[jb1944]

On a side note, in the real war, if a plane was shot up and smoking but was lost sight of... and the pilot nor anyone else subsequently saw the crash, it didn't count as an "official" kill.

Where have I mentioned the words 'lost sight of'? I am talking about shooting up an aircraft that subsequently I 'saw' smash into the ground with smoke pouring out its engine and holes in the wings from my shots. That counts as an 'official' kill in my book sir.

[Wayfindre]

But this is exactly my point. If by my action their controls have been shot up and they crash because of my shots then surely I deserve the kill? instead because I have shot them up they then crash I get no kill and next I see them above me on a head on collision path about to get a point without firing shot. as mentioned above I only play sim or realistic.

I argue that yes people do crash on purpose but worst also people that generally have lost control due to my shooting them up should mean I get a kill. i.e. like in the real air war of ww2!!

In simple terms:

If I so much as shoot one bullet that hits an enemy aircraft that leads to them loosing control and chrashing = I should get a point.
If I so much as shoot up an enemy aircraft to the point its so shot up but the enemy cheats and crashes to get a fresh aircraft = I should get a point

Just an observation, but nowhere in this post do you say you watched them crash into the ground. You ONLY say that every single enemy that has damage inflicted by you should earn you a kill. By that logic, every single person that you've nicked a little would get you a "kill". I was simply sayig that in the "real war", which you brought up, simply blasting another plane didn't automatically get the pilot an "official kill". Thats why I caled it a side note. I was just adding to the conversation in general about the history of aerial warfare.

[Robotic Pope]

Where have I mentioned the words 'lost sight of'? I am talking about shooting up an aircraft that subsequently I 'saw' smash into the ground with smoke pouring out its engine and holes in the wings from my shots. That is a kill sir.

Yes it is. What Wayfindre says is maybe what the Devs were originaly trying to achieve in that you have to make sure the plane was killed before you could claim a kill. Obviously it didn't work. I will be very happy after the patch to be able to watch from high above a plane ive shot up, spin into its grave. Instead of me currently madly diving with the dieing plane trying to get enough hits before it hits the ground and I follow into the explosion with it.

[jb1944]

Sorry. My fault. I shall try and be more clear Wayfindre:

When I shoot up an enemy aircraft to the point "I see" it crash with plumes of smoke pouring out its engines and holes in the wing from "my" shots. I think I should perhaps recieve the kill.

[Zatoichi_Sanjuro]

This is already being addressed in the patch but something odd did happen to me earlier in sim mode. An enemy shot up my engine killing the prop and I literally fell out of the sky. But when I finally hit the ground he got no points. It counted as a crash. :confused:

[Wayfindre]

Sorry. My fault. I shall try and be more clear Wayfindre:

When I shoot up an enemy aircraft to the point "I see" it crash with plumes of smoke pouring out its engines and holes in the wing from "my" shots. I think I should perhaps recieve the kill.

And so you shall... when the DEVs finish the patch.

[jb1944]

Hoorah! Thanks chaps for your quick responses.

[Robotic Pope]

This is already being addressed in the patch but something odd did happen to me earlier in sim mode. An enemy shot up my engine killing the prop and I literally fell out of the sky. But when I finally hit the ground he got no points. It counted as a crash. :confused:

Thats not odd. That's what is happening for everyone. After the patch he should get that kill. Then, I think only minor damage will be cancelled after 12 seconds. You would then get a crash and he would not get a kill. BUT an engine is major damage and he gets the kill no matter how long it takes you to hit the floor.

[Zatoichi_Sanjuro]

Thats not odd. That's what is happening for everyone. After the patch he should get that kill. Then, I think only minor damage will be cancelled after 12 seconds. You would then get a crash and he would not get a kill. BUT an engine is major damage and he gets the kill no matter how long it takes you to hit the floor.

I've shot people up so their plane is flaming and the pilot bails out and it is instantly counted as a kill. How is killing the engine only without flames any different? Both planes are effectively dead.

[MorgothNL]

any speculations on the release date of the patch? does anyone know if it has even been send to MS yet for aproval? or are they still fixing..?

I know from COD that once they finished the patch...it takes another 2-3 weeks to get in on live due to MS naggers :(.. so... how far in the proces are we?

[Robotic Pope]

I've shot people up so their plane is flaming and the pilot bails out and it is instantly counted as a kill. How is killing the engine only without flames any different? Both planes are effectively dead.

That's because the game sees an exploded engine as an automatic kill. A failed engine isn't an auto kill. Just like a broken off wing is an auto kill but a sevearly damaged wing that can no longer create lift is not an auto kill.

[TexRoadkill]

I've shot people up so their plane is flaming and the pilot bails out and it is instantly counted as a kill. How is killing the engine only without flames any different? Both planes are effectively dead.

It's the bailing out that is different. If you bail that is the same as crashing and if it occurs before the "kill credit timer" runs out then the shooter gets credit for the kill.

[Robotic Pope]

It's the bailing out that is different. If you bail that is the same as crashing and if it occurs before the "kill credit timer" runs out then the shooter gets credit for the kill.

no, these people arn't bailing out. You can't select bail out when you are on fire because you are already killed. You might see parashutes but I think this is just an extra kill graphic.

[PedroTheGoat]

If an enemy blackens out any part of your plane and you pause and bail out quickly then your pursuer will get the kill. I do this often to make sure the proper person gets the kill.

It's all ridiculous though, as much as I love this game, this was a ridiculous oversight in the development process.

This patch can't come soon enough.

[Lexandro]

To be fair to the team, they did code almost everything spot on first go. Thats no mean feat btw especially as it is I believe the first foray on to the console market.

[PedroTheGoat]

To be fair to the team, they did code almost everything spot on first go. Thats no mean feat btw especially as it is I believe the first foray on to the console market.

Agreed. They did do a fine job on 90% of the game. That 10% nags me bad though.

[Robotic Pope]

If an enemy blackens out any part of your plane and you pause and bail out quickly then your pursuer will get the kill. I do this often to make sure the proper person gets the kill.


Yes this is true, but Zatoichi said the player was on fire. A blacked out part is never on fire. As soon as you go on fire you are counted as a kill, so it's imposible to bail out when you are on fire.

[imnotgeoff]

any news on the update?

[KurtG85]

But this is exactly my point. If by my action their controls have been shot up....I should get a point

He was just saying you shouldn't necessarily assume (if you were) that every person intentionally crashes because its easy to lose control and crash unintentionally when you get shot up.

[cheapas1210]

its easy to lose control and crash unintentionally when you get shot up.

It's actually really easy to stay up after you've been shot to bits if your plane isn't spinning out. Most people can't be bothered and push the nose down slightly.

Best advice is to stick with people you know you can have good games with.

[Draakje]

I play arcade, since i dont have much fun in playing sim, so when people crash most of the time its on purpose, since well arcade lets u fly on with insane damage sometimes :P
I never intentionally crash my plane its lame, did have several runins with tree's and buildings when trying to get away from people.

Had a game earlier where some guy would just instantly dive head first into the ground if i would even hit him once, he didnt even need heavy damage or smoke pouring out of him.
It seems that was his fix for not being able to get out of my sights.