IL-2 and Rise Of Flight team up

[tango2delta]

Did anyone else get a email from 1C that IL-2 and Rise Of Flight teaming Up together? And is it true or just a fake email.

[Luffe]

Pfftt. Like that would ever happen.

This isn't April 1st, you've been had.

PS. :

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=36417 :)

[tango2delta]

I figered it was a fake email. Thanks

[taildraggernut]

Ah......you must be a ROF fan...

[tango2delta]

No i have never played it, but here alot about it. I am a IL-2 fan, and have been like forever.

[taildraggernut]

Ah ok, the email is not fake by the way, check the link the other poster gave.

[Jaws2002]

It's true, but they killed Cliffs of Dover game engine for a quick buck.
They'll work from now on with the Rise of Flight engine, wich is already dated and can't do half the stuf CLOD engine can.:(

[tango2delta]

Thanks every one, i don't do much posting and reading here just drop by and see if it was real. Thanks again and Merry Christmas

[Verhängnis]

I think some members of this forum should either get their facts straight or stop spreading false rumours about stuff they do not understand. Because it has already been explained that there is little difference in the capability of the two engines, apart from the FACT that the 'Nature Engine' has been in development and USE for years now, it is trialled and tested, and STABLE.
With the kind of attitude of " wich is already dated and can't do half the stuf CLOD engine can." the release will go exactly down the path of Cliffs of Dover (Not to mention that Direct X is a multimedia API, not the be all and end all of possibilities) , trying to please everybody when the result is nobody is pleased. Get a gosh darn reality check! "Half the things that can be done in the CoD engine", either were NOT done, or were NEVER going to be afforded!
Is it that hard to understand for some people?

Apart from that, the two studios still exist individually but there has been a partnership for the NEW product (different engine, therefore not compatible with CoD, although technologies may be ported over and used IF and WHERE possible) IL-2 Sturmovik: Battle Of Stalingrad. It's expected to be sold by 777 and according to their financial system.

[SlipBall]

I think some members of this forum should either get their facts straight or stop spreading false rumours about stuff they do not understand. Because it has already been explained that there is little difference in the capability of the two engines, apart from the FACT that the 'Nature Engine' has been in development and USE for years now, it is trialled and tested, and STABLE.
With the kind of attitude of " wich is already dated and can't do half the stuf CLOD engine can." the release will go exactly down the path of Cliffs of Dover (Not to mention that Direct X is a multimedia API, not the be all and end all of possibilities) , trying to please everybody when the result is nobody is pleased. Get a gosh darn reality check! "Half the things that can be done in the CoD engine", either were NOT done, or were NEVER going to be afforded!
Is it that hard to understand for some people?

Apart from that, the two studios still exist individually but there has been a partnership for the NEW product (different engine, therefore not compatible with CoD, although technologies may be ported over and used IF and WHERE possible) IL-2 Sturmovik: Battle Of Stalingrad. It's expected to be sold by 777 and according to their financial system.


Hold on tiger they will sell the game, there is a lot of interest.

[taildraggernut]

yeah....anyway, they did dump COD and opted for making a fast buck, and Maddox games is history now taking with it the true heritage for the IL2 franchise.
777 were celebrated for taking over a buggy 2009 release game and turning it around, after grafting on a new GUI and content from the cancelled BoM it will be sold back to us in 2014 as a shiny new WWII title and over the following years if we are good and they meet 1C deadlines we might see some attempts at modernising it, but we will have to buy enough payware addons to make that a reality, here is the irony, apparently CoD was too expensive and ambitious, but everyone is now queing up to fork out cash over X amount of years to see a 2009 game slowly transform to a lesser level CoD ever offered us, the same cash that would have benefited CoD and its sequels if we had the same patience.

[Verhängnis]

But that is not the 1C business model, so how on Earth did you expect them to make any money to create the sequels? This ^ is why they moved on!

And please don't tell me that spending $100 on CoD is better than the amount of content I could have gotten in RoF. I'm sorry, but imo, payware is a far more reasonable way to spend my money than on something that doesn't work and never would work (due to the financial encumbrance that the 1C model causes).

My money, is wasted!

[taildraggernut]

if that helps make you feel better about it....

[FS~Phat]

Hey Guys,

Please stop the 777 bashing!
You may not feel fortunate that someone has decided to take on the future development of the IL2 series but you would probably be in the minority.

In any case I fail to see why you cannot see what is plainly clear to me.

That is... the CLOD engine as a development platform was not a sustainable commercial model for the future of the series no matter how wonderful it might of looked on the surface even with the last patch.

There were clearly many issues with the bug ridden code that was difficult to modify and correct. Luthier even said as much himself regarding the complexity of the code. It was overly complex and expensive in terms of time to develop, which means the commercials dont stack up no matter how devoted programmers or the community may be.

It's not an ideal outcome but it's better than the only other viable alternative which was to completely abandon the IL2 franchise all together.

Now IL2 has a new platform and partnership to benefit from, which includes serveral years of success with the 777 graphics engine and commercial model. (which is constantly being improved and remarkably bug free)
Some of us might not like it but, it-is-what-it-is and we are lucky at this point to be getting anything.

No amount of whining, complaining and making threats will change the course of the IL2 series. You can either get behind the new opportunity and constructively provide input through the new forum or find yourself something else to do. The kind of negativity and abuse thats been endured here will not be tolerated in relation to the new direction of the series, either on these forums or on the new forum. If you dont like that then Im sorry but thats the way it has to be.

[Verhängnis]

Taildraggernut, why would I have a problem with 777 developing it? But, you're just another whiner, there's always one. ;)
What's the problem? 1C couldn't deliver, simple fact really, and in the world of business - it's funny, because they know it too. Now stop trolling and look forward to BoS. :)

[Davy TASB]

I think some members of this forum should either get their facts straight or stop spreading false rumours about stuff they do not understand. Because it has already been explained that there is little difference in the capability of the two engines, apart from the FACT that the 'Nature Engine' has been in development and USE for years now, it is trialled and tested, and STABLE.
With the kind of attitude of " wich is already dated and can't do half the stuf CLOD engine can." the release will go exactly down the path of Cliffs of Dover (Not to mention that Direct X is a multimedia API, not the be all and end all of possibilities) , trying to please everybody when the result is nobody is pleased. Get a gosh darn reality check! "Half the things that can be done in the CoD engine", either were NOT done, or were NEVER going to be afforded!
Is it that hard to understand for some people?

Apart from that, the two studios still exist individually but there has been a partnership for the NEW product (different engine, therefore not compatible with CoD, although technologies may be ported over and used IF and WHERE possible) IL-2 Sturmovik: Battle Of Stalingrad. It's expected to be sold by 777 and according to their financial system.

Well said.

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[planespotter]

Hey Guys,

Please stop the 777 bashing!
You may not feel fortunate that someone has decided to take on the future development of the IL2 series but you would probably be in the minority.

In any case I fail to see why you cannot see what is plainly clear to me.

That is... the CLOD engine as a development platform was not a sustainable commercial model for the future of the series no matter how wonderful it might of looked on the surface even with the last patch.

There were clearly many issues with the bug ridden code that was difficult to modify and correct. Luthier even said as much himself regarding the complexity of the code. It was overly complex and expensive in terms of time to develop, which means the commercials dont stack up no matter how devoted programmers or the community may be.

It's not an ideal outcome but it's better than the only other viable alternative which was to completely abandon the IL2 franchise all together.

Now IL2 has a new platform and partnership to benefit from, which includes serveral years of success with the 777 graphics engine and commercial model. (which is constantly being improved and remarkably bug free)
Some of us might not like it but, it-is-what-it-is and we are lucky at this point to be getting anything.

No amount of whining, complaining and making threats will change the course of the IL2 series. You can either get behind the new opportunity and constructively provide input through the new forum or find yourself something else to do. The kind of negativity and abuse thats been endured here will not be tolerated in relation to the new direction of the series, either on these forums or on the new forum. If you dont like that then Im sorry but thats the way it has to be.


If people want to have debates about the decision to shut down CLoD or the bad things about Rise of flight/777 - kick them out of the forum! Let them go somewhere like SIMHQ where they can abuse each other all they want.

Let us get back to talking about the game!

[taildraggernut]

yeah, riddiculous idea talking about CoD on the CoD forum.

[FS~Phat]

Talking about CLOD is NOT the issue.

The crap that people try to pass off as fact here without actually having any real clue is frankly astonishing. There is absolutely no reason for people to put down the 777 engine or commercial model when in every way it has clearly been the more successful venture and will be a great new technology and partnership with 1C and 777 for the new IL2 series.

What Im saying is... that if people want to sprout bullshit and crap on about things they clearly dont have an understanding of, or are clearly just trying to create conflict, whether discussing CLOD or ROF or BoM or BoS or 1C or 777..... You will be moderated according to the rules.

[[URU]AkeR]

Taildraggernut, why would I have a problem with 777 developing it? But, you're just another whiner, there's always one. ;)
What's the problem? 1C couldn't deliver, simple fact really, and in the world of business - it's funny, because they know it too. Now stop trolling and look forward to BoS. :)

FIRST OF ALL i´m not bashing ROF nor 777, i have ROF , i paid for it and it was a great deal. I´m starting to like the game.

No, the developer was maddox games, and they did deliver, in a chaotic way, but they did, and it was getting better end better. But it was taking too much time to make something really spectacular. So 1C as publisher decided to cut it off and go for the quik buck with an average product. According to guys from 777 they are aiming for something that "works" out of the box admittely dropping the great features we already had. And of cuorse a lot of the work is already done in terms of 3d design by the guys from Maddox, so they are basically taking almost 2 years to port those models to ROF engine an improving it to be able to handle the heavy ground action in Stalingrad.

So what would have happened if Ilya came and say that even with a 75% done they were going to take another 2 years to deliver a polished battle of Stalingrad? more chaos, meanwhile 1C will see how the competition (777) was making money all that time. So what they do? merge with them so they are now controlling the whole market of prop driven combat flight simulators. Do you know who loses and who wins with this almost monopolic context? It should be obvious but i will say it just in case: WE ALL LOSE, THE CORPORATIONS WIN.

It doesnt matter if you only fly ROF without competition customers lose, now they only have to make something that is just right, no need to chase perfection, no need to take the risk of going beyond expectations, no more romanticism, no more passion, just numbers.

This is how I feel about this, but i totally understand 777 aproach and wish them total succes.

[Wolf_Rider]

There were clearly many issues with the bug ridden code that was difficult to modify and correct. Luthier even said as much himself regarding the complexity of the code. It was overly complex and expensive in terms of time to develop, which means the commercials dont stack up no matter how devoted programmers or the community may be.

It's not an ideal outcome but it's better than the only other viable alternative which was to completely abandon the IL2 franchise all together.




err, there was a complete rewrite of that "buggy code" (engine) though and to all intents and purposes, the il-2 series died with CoD. Future releases will be a 777 variant, an offshoot, a spin off

[taildraggernut]

Carefull guys, the rules here have changed, it only took a year and the death of CoD but somebody figured out criticism is damaging, animals are always more volatile when wounded.

[FS~Phat]

Not sure what your trying to tell me there Wolf.

Of course I know all that.. and the supposed rewrite still didnt fix it enough. After all, most of the promised features were removed or never materialised.

And just to be clear.. the BoS sequel will be on a slightly different version of the ROF engine. What that means at this stage is unknown.

[robtek]

Fact is, that 777, despite making a wonderful ww1 dogfight sim, didn't manage to fill this world with life or even to allow a adequate number of objects and ai in a online game.
A look at the trenches in RoF is disillusioning at best.
So, how can the expectations be high when the primary moneywell of 777 isn't by far as capable as the buggy CloD engine?
Shurely 777 would improve RoF if they were able to do so, but those faults were there from the beginning and weren't mended, despite laments from the users all the years.

[Verhängnis]

I agree that less competition is a loss for consumers, however, think about it... even if 777 encroached on WW2 territory with the merge, there was always going to be a loser.

While many saw CoD dead on arrival, obviously with the proper resources and management I have no doubts IL-2 could have been stable, but from the sounds of its development history, it was just too riddled with strife from the beginning.
Where some succeed, and other fail, ultimately, they fail together and I in my opinion this is what happened to CoD.
And it's not the first time in the history of business and games or anything for that matter that a project has failed and investment wasted. So even though we have been given a bit of insight into the tragic failings of CoD's development, why are so many surprised?

I certainly know (as they basically stated it) that BoS won't be at the quality of CoD, and they IL-2 series will be changed forever but sometimes change is what is needed. The world revolves around money, and at the end of the day they need to survive as a company. Imagine how ruined IL-2 truly would be if the studio went 100% bust! (Not to say they didn't :-P)
I certainly don't believe that MG are being selfish here. Selfish, would be to abandon the brand altogether and leave us with nothing.

[FS~Phat]

Fact is, that 777, despite making a wonderful ww1 dogfight sim, didn't manage to fill this world with life or even to allow a adequate number of objects and ai in a online game.
A look at the trenches in RoF is disillusioning at best.
So, how can the expectations be high when the primary moneywell of 777 isn't by far as capable as the buggy CloD engine?
Shurely 777 would improve RoF if they were able to do so, but those faults were there from the beginning and weren't mended, despite laments from the users all the years.

It may be hard to hear this, but compromises on the level of realism are required to make a simulator commercially viable these days. (unless you go the DCS route?? and who wants to wait 18months to 2 years for each aircraft?)

Unfortunately the community found this out the hard way with CLOD and have been teased by what could have been. But thats the point.. it's very much a "could have been", because even CLOD was not even close to the original promises Oleg made. Graphically it looked good in some aspects, phenomenal in the cockpit and the external aircraft models, but the lighting and landscape never matched the quality of the aircraft. The sounds were ordinary, the damage model was significantly dumbed down from the original release as were the texture qualities all dialed down. There are numerous other problems that have been discussed to death, the bottom line... CLOD spent a year going backwards just to get to a half playable state.

So the facts now are that we have to lower our expectations and thats going to be hard for sure... BUT...

I think even though CLOD promised so much, it lost it's soul from the original IL2. At this point there is no other option but to put the faith into 1c/777 restoring the soul of the IL2 series. For me that means I can live without a lot of what we saw and were promised in CLOD.

I will be happy to see a thriving community with 600 players online with a 1946 IL2 style play brought forward to 2014 with better graphics, landscapes, DM, FM, AI and online MP/Co-op. And I think thats just exactly what 1C/777 will set out to do.

I can live without dynamic weather, animated pilots, cockpit details down to the last scratched rivet, clickable cockpits, blueprint constructed models and damage models.... Just to have the original soul of IL2... which was at the end of it fun.. and despite the 400 hours or so ive spent in CLOD, It doesnt come close to the thousands of hours I spend in IL2 and It had never once given me the same feeling I had playing IL2... and that my friends is why although its sad to let go of the promise of CLOD and BoM... Im all for the rebirth of IL2 with 1C/777. 777 have proven they can make a commercial success with a very appealing graphics and game engine... no its not CloD but I think its for the better for it!

Cheers
Phat! :)

[taildraggernut]

We've had original IL2 for 10 years, it offers all of that and most of us own it, the content is vast and free, it has the co-op mode everybody is crazy about and it's a DX9 engine, your toughest choice is which mod pack you affiliate with so you can hate everybody else.

[Verhängnis]

At least they didn't go the Microsoft Flight 'Simulator' route, but I digress. :-P

[furbs]

Sums up exactly how i feel Phat.

Now "IF" the IMO the dream of modders getting hold of the COD code and managed to magically fix COD's problems (i very much dont think it could happen) that would be great news and i would play that also.

[FS~Phat]

We've had original IL2 for 10 years, it offers all of that and most of us own it, the content is vast and free, it has the co-op mode everybody is crazy about and it's a DX9 engine, your toughest choice is which mod pack you affiliate with so you can hate everybody else.


Yes agreed and I still spend 3x more time in 46 than I do in CloD for that reason. The only things that currently peeve me with 46 are the splintering of the community between HSFX and UP (lets face it almost nobody I know flies stock these days!) AND some of the changes to flight models I dont agree with.
Other than that and the flat landscapes (even with texture mods) and 90's cockpit graphics I still think its a wonderful game to play. And that was my point, if 777 can take most of what was good with 46 and bring it upto date with some shinier graphics and more sophisticated FM/DM then Ill be VERY happy. The content will obviously have to come over time, but at the end of the day I prefer to fly only 3-4 different aircraft anyway so the 10 they say they will have on release of BoS will be enough for me.

[Verhängnis]

Exactly. ;) So many people still fly 1946, and if RoF can equal the playability aspect of it, I won't be able to complain because I can't fly CoD as it is. The shiny graphics come as an extra. :)

[Jumo211]

@ taildraggernut
original IL-2 including IL-2 1946 is not DX 9.0 but DX 8.1
We wish it was DX 9.0 , it could have been looking by now just like CloD .
Unfortunately is not .....

[taildraggernut]

@ taildraggernut
original IL-2 including IL-2 1946 is not DX 9.0 but DX 8.1
We wish it was DX 9.0 , it could have been looking by now just like CloD .
Unfortunately is not .....

Yes my bad, so hard to tell the difference

[Bearcat]

yeah, riddiculous idea talking about CoD on the CoD forum.
Talking about CLOD is NOT the issue.

The crap that people try to pass off as fact here without actually having any real clue is frankly astonishing. There is absolutely no reason for people to put down the 777 engine or commercial model when in every way it has clearly been the more successful venture and will be a great new technology and partnership with 1C and 777 for the new IL2 series.
What Im saying is... that if people want to sprout bullshit and crap on about things they clearly dont have an understanding of, or are clearly just trying to create conflict, whether discussing CLOD or ROF or BoM or BoS or 1C or 777..... You will be moderated according to the rules.

Exactly.. and I sure hope so because I am so sick of seeing this childish nonsense here and at the IL2 forum.


AkeR;488628']FIRST OF ALL i´m not bashing ROF nor 777, i have ROF , i paid for it and it was a great deal. I´m starting to like the game.

No, the developer was maddox games, and they did deliver, in a chaotic way, but they did, and it was getting better end better. But it was taking too much time to make something really spectacular. So 1C as publisher decided to cut it off and go for the quik buck with an average product. According to guys from 777 they are aiming for something that "works" out of the box admittely dropping the great features we already had. And of cuorse a lot of the work is already done in terms of 3d design by the guys from Maddox, so they are basically taking almost 2 years to port those models to ROF engine an improving it to be able to handle the heavy ground action in Stalingrad.

So what would have happened if Ilya came and say that even with a 75% done they were going to take another 2 years to deliver a polished battle of Stalingrad? more chaos, meanwhile 1C will see how the competition (777) was making money all that time. So what they do? merge with them so they are now controlling the whole market of prop driven combat flight simulators. Do you know who loses and who wins with this almost monopolic context? It should be obvious but i will say it just in case: WE ALL LOSE, THE CORPORATIONS WIN.

It doesnt matter if you only fly ROF without competition customers lose, now they only have to make something that is just right, no need to chase perfection, no need to take the risk of going beyond expectations, no more romanticism, no more passion, just numbers.

This is how I feel about this, but i totally understand 777 aproach and wish them total succes.

First off.. How do you know the highlighted part.. ? You don't. None of us do.. the only people who do are those connected at 1C and their lawyers. Secondly we do not know what the future of the flight sim business is going to be. At least you are sensible enough to see the picture as it is in the end and that end being understanding 777s approach and wishing them success because that is what we all need to do because not doing so won't change a d@mn thing.


To those who are loosing their minds over this:

For us simmers this is a thing that we enjoy doing, that apparently some of us take very very personal.. but for Ilya, Jason, 1C,UBI and MG this is business. This is why CoD failed .. (http://www.bit-tech.net/gaming/pc/2012/06/01/il-2-sturmovik-cliffs-of-dover-revisted/1) no matter what people may think about what was coming down the pike.. no matter how much passion the (and I am being generous I am sure) tens of thousands who bought it have for the product, people have to eat. This product was first mentioned in 2006 @ UBI and people started upgrading for it by 2008. It took 5 years of stops and starts, poor communication and teasers and a release that can be kindly called messy. It never took off the way it was supposed to because it never worked as it was expected to. Period. Is it a great platform? Well it certainly has it's plusses and I don't know whether Ilya was forced out or whether he just walked away on his own the same with Oleg, but the bottom line is that if the people who designed the engine could not get it to work better than they have after 6 years what do you expect someone else to do and what businessperson in their right mind would try to take the helm of a post iceberg Titanic? If nothing else Jason is a businessman and from the looks of it he is pretty good at it. If he and the 1C folks that have merged on this product have decided to go with a different engine what business is it of any of ours? So you spent money on the sim (a general you not a specific you) .. Well whoop D Frackin do.. So did I .. I pre ordered it. Is it better now than it was? Absolutely.. but the developer walked away. That's it. To sit here and keep on going on and on about it as if any of that will do anything but make one look like a complete and total @ss is ridiculous.

GET OVER IT!!

If you love CoD then that is great.. I am happy for you but to keep seeing these posts across multiple boards by the same people is just stupid. It's like being on a 1500 mile road trip and the kids start asking "Are we there yet?" before you get out of the city. All this talk as if people just know that BoS will be terrible.. or they know what will come from this merger.. We don't know.. all we know is what the developers have told us.. but I do know this. I bet it won't take 5 years to release and I bet that when it is released it will work.

Phat hit the nail on the head.

[KG26_Alpha]

Did anyone else get a email from 1C that IL-2 and Rise Of Flight teaming Up together? And is it true or just a fake email.

Yea well the op's been answered.

There are plenty of threads already discussing this subject.