Its time to give us the SDKs

[droz]

That's right. Give us the SDKs now. This project has been abandoned. That, or we need the modding community to open up the game and start adding in new stuff. I don't like the rof business model. I'd rather purchase the game and have a lot of content than get nickel and dimed for hundreds or dollars.

[satchenko]

+1

[jamesdietz]

Absolutely!

[KDN]

-1

[nearmiss]

LOL... I would suggest you not worry your pretty little head about this.

If you just bought COD with all the associated problems would you release anything?

[Ailantd]

+1

[droz]

what you mean nearmiss? I honestly think it's the least that can be done for those of us that have stuck in it for so long. No offense, but I kind of feel like we have had mud thrown in our face with this.

Don't get me wrong, the fact that the sim series is continuing is awesome. Do I like ROF business model? no. Will I likely still buy into the new IL2 series? likely, as long as it doesn't get insanely pricey, and the game is up to the quality and fidelity that we want and know.

However, we were given promise and promise of certain features, such as SDKs, and never given any of it, not even the MAP SDK.

SDKs may even be a bit much to ask for at this point, even rudamentary tools, but at least the modding community might be able to do something.

[ChrisDNT]

+1

Or to sell it, in the way Blender was sold and bought by its users (and now Blender is now one of the best 3d soft available and..... free of charge).

[andrea78]

+1
...or I hope for someone that can open the way to modder.

I criticized Clod for 2 year and even if now I play (and enjoy) it, but we all know the "history" of this game, the death of BoM (BoS seems to have other engine, maps, dev team... so BoM is another fail) and 2014 as release date. So, I do not think that we can play a decent new game till 2017-2018 (ok, I continue to trust to 1C, 2020 will be more accurate :grin:)... and in the meanwhile? Let's hope in modding or something similar to Daidalos.

[katdogfizzow]

pleeeeeease

[BlackSix]

That's right. Give us the SDKs now. This project has been abandoned. That, or we need the modding community to open up the game and start adding in new stuff. I don't like the rof business model. I'd rather purchase the game and have a lot of content than get nickel and dimed for hundreds or dollars.

The team has not finished SDK. The project was canceled before we were able to find the time for this work. Now it is no longer possible.

[ParaB]

How surprising.

[Continu0]

The team has not finished SDK. The project was canceled before we were able to find the time for this work. Now it is no longer possible.

Can you give us any informations what happened to the engine? Does 1C still own the rights? Or is someone else working on it?

[Force10]

Shocker. It's like COD is a battleship going down and it fires one last salvo at it's customers before it's completely under water. Just one more slap in the face. Even with 777 taking over....I feel I just don't want to buy anything if 1C gets a cut of it.

[ems9]

Sorry guys But I don't think anyone will work out those SDK's or tools. The crew that was building the game is out.

The only hope we have is, to happen like it did happen with the old IL-2, some nice hacker with skill break out the code of IL-2, after that point, everyone can start to work that game out. Without tools or source code of the game, it's impossible to touch it. (1C don't take me wrong, I'm not advertising neither suggesting that I will hack 1C products)

[Kwiatek]

When IL2 series and CLOD is dead maby mod community could make something with it.

Actually with so many unfnished things and bugs CLOD is not acceptable for me to play. If mod community would improve it like it did with old Il2 1946 there would be a chance to play fairly in CLOD until somethinig new better will come.

[BlackSix]

Can you give us any informations what happened to the engine? Does 1C still own the rights? Or is someone else working on it?

AFAIK, the final decision will be announced later. I think nobody will work with this engine.

[Continu0]

AFAIK, the final decision will be announced later. I think nobody will work with this engine.

Thank you for your answers. Straight forward, that´s the way to go.

Altough I don´t like to hear that, I like the way you are telling us things, go on like this B6, I appreciate it!

Thanks.

[mazex]

AFAIK, the final decision will be announced later. I think nobody will work with this engine.

Well, selling the source code to someone may be hard after the rough ride that CloD has had... The smell of Spaghetti code is strong with this one ;)

It really would be a nice "good bye" present if they released the source code to Daidalos or a similar community team with some disclaimers that they can not use it for commercial products without paying royalties or similar...

[LoBiSoMeM]

New Falcon 4.0. Just crack this mess...

Nearmiss, BS... I'm loving the new "consumers relationship"...

Really...

[SlipBall]

If only to fix AI commands I would be happy:grin:

[smink1701]

The developers just put the game engine in the trash bin. Unfortunately, that's probably where it belongs. IMHO Oleg and company spent 10 years and millions of dollars building an 8-track stereo. As I said this game was DOA.

[klem]

The team has not finished SDK. The project was canceled before we were able to find the time for this work. Now it is no longer possible.

Hi BlackSix,

thanks for the post.

btw what are you working on these days?

[Cranky]

Of course they wont give us the SDK, just another Luthier lie, the last thing they want is someone fixing CLOD when there is a new flight sim to sell us on the horizon. Its business.

[arthursmedley]

Hi BlackSix,

thanks for the post.

btw what are you working on these days?

Klem, are you kidding?

[kristorf]

The team has not finished SDK. The project was canceled before we were able to find the time for this work. Now it is no longer possible.

Another promise throw out, fully expected from this shower really, are we really suprised as its just added to the list that basically says f*!k you.

Are we really suprised this excuse for a game folded?

Can the last person out please turn off the lights...

[klem]

Klem, are you kidding?

Just thought I'd ask. I'm polite like that. I'm sure he does more than manage forum communications.

[arthursmedley]

Just thought I'd ask. I'm polite like that. I'm sure he does more than manage forum communications.

Sorry Klem. Not trying to be snide. Blacksix will be with us. He's on the team!

http://forum.il2sturmovik.net/index.php?showuser=5

[Skoshi Tiger]

I doubt there will be much chance of the SDK being released.

Being intimately tied to the game engine, If 1C is thinking of recovering the costs of development by selling the game engine then all tools would be part of that deal.

It's a pitty that the COD development team didn't get the support they deserved by the whole community. It would have been great having access to the SDK.

[Bearcat]

Well, selling the source code to someone may be hard after the rough ride that CloD has had... The smell of Spaghetti code is strong with this one ;)

It really would be a nice "good bye" present if they released the source code to Daidalos or a similar community team with some disclaimers that they can not use it for commercial products without paying royalties or similar...

This is the best post in this thread..

[Robotic Pope]

Well, selling the source code to someone may be hard after the rough ride that CloD has had... The smell of Spaghetti code is strong with this one ;)

It really would be a nice "good bye" present if they released the source code to Daidalos or a similar community team with some disclaimers that they can not use it for commercial products without paying royalties or similar...

It would be great, but why would 1C risk giving another developing team something that could potentially take customers away from their future product? How bad would it be for Il-2:BoS if they gave the CloD code to TD and they fixed everything and made CloD everything you were hoping it could be, and at no extra cost? Who would play Il-2:BoS then? Who would buy their planes?

[He111]

Give the source code to the community ! .. :D

On the understanding that when we fix everything up, and add more planes, you can take it back .. and try to sell it again.

Sounds like a good deal to me. :grin:

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[zapatista]

LOL... I would suggest you not worry your pretty little head about this.

If you just bought COD with all the associated problems would you release anything?

doesnt sound like RoF bought anything, its more like the RoF group is subcontracted by 1c management to create a il2 sturmovik series "sequel" by name only, but it will basically be a RoF ww2 sim.

for this they can use the sturmovik name and get the modelers who created the recent BoM objects, and receive the objects they already modeled

[zapatista]

The team has not finished SDK. The project was canceled before we were able to find the time for this work. Now it is no longer possible.

why not sell it as an addon module for CoD ?

most CoD fans would be willing to pay 30$ for a module like that

same with an addon module for CoD that gives us control over ground vehicles as seen here (made in feb 2012 !)

Controllable Tanks Gameplay
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=sHc04iRFFwA#!

i'd pay 30$ for that as an addon :)

[4./JG53_Wotan]

Do I like ROF business model? no.

What is wrong with a free download that gives you 2 competitive free planes to play? What is wrong with buying just the things you want? In most cases that is considerably cheaper then to shell out $40+ for follow up expansions.

Its great the old "official" Il-2 eventually added so many planes but they not all were "free" - most came with expansions. On top of that a good number of those planes I would never even sit in the cockpit let alone fly them.

Being able to buy only those things you want is a good thing...

[LukeFF]

doesnt sound like RoF bought anything, its more like the RoF group is subcontracted by 1c management to create a il2 sturmovik series "sequel" by name only, but it will basically be a RoF ww2 sim.

Nope. The two teams were merged, though the two companies remain separate. Nothing was subcontracted.

You can quit the disinformation campaign any time, BTW.

[ATAG_Bliss]

Nope. The two teams were merged, though the two companies remain separate. Nothing was subcontracted.

You can quit the disinformation campaign any time, BTW.

I think you should quit the disinformation campaign. The only part of Maddox left is the modelers. And they are only there to port models from the cliffs engine to ROFs. There are no programmers from Maddox. This whole venture is nothing more than a re-skinning of the ROF engine with WWII planes.

[LukeFF]

The only part of Maddox left is the modelers. And they are only there to port models from the cliffs engine to ROFs. There are no programmers from Maddox.

And you know that how?

This whole venture is nothing more than a re-skinning of the ROF engine with WWII planes.

:rolleyes:

[klem]

What is wrong with a free download that gives you 2 competitive free planes to play? What is wrong with buying just the things you want? In most cases that is considerably cheaper then to shell out $40+ for follow up expansions.

Its great the old "official" Il-2 eventually added so many planes but they not all were "free" - most came with expansions. On top of that a good number of those planes I would never even sit in the cockpit let alone fly them.

Being able to buy only those things you want is a good thing...

One of the potential problems is for online players, especially where scenario play is involved. If many aircraft are added at extra cost some guys may not want or be able to afford them. Of course it will depend on how much they cost.

The problem then is they may be prevented from play on some servers where a/c they don't have are essential to the mission. I bought many aircraft for RoF and still found myself falling behind.

They say the model will be different from but similar to RoF. I hope this means that they will package-release contemporary aircraft so that a particular era, like 1940, 1941 etc (or BoB, N Africa etc) along with their maps can take us forward in a sensible way.

[ATAG_Bliss]

And you know that how?




Because people close to the development team post on our forums.

[klem]

Sorry Klem. Not trying to be snide. Blacksix will be with us. He's on the team!

http://forum.il2sturmovik.net/index.php?showuser=5

Yes, I know but he was the community communication manager before and still had another job building missions. I just wondered what part he would play in BoS. Just curious, nothing more.

[Hooves]

Because people close to the development team post on our forums.

Sounds to me like you are INCREDIBLY BITTER. All that work you did just down the drain huh? such is life. You get another year of COD then your player base goes bye bye. Might as well move on at that point to don't you think?

[Havoc04]

TRULY Pathetic IC
Seriously real Pathetic !!

Want more money from me. You can forget about it.
You're simply NOT Trustworthy

[ATAG_Bliss]

Sounds to me like you are INCREDIBLY BITTER. All that work you did just down the drain huh? such is life. You get another year of COD then your player base goes bye bye. Might as well move on at that point to don't you think?

Hooves all you do is complain. I think bitterness is your middle name. I have never received so many complaints from TS all directed at you. All I did was answer the question. Please take a deep breath before you post anymore.

[Redroach]

Well, selling the source code to someone may be hard after the rough ride that CloD has had... The smell of Spaghetti code is strong with this one ;)

It really would be a nice "good bye" present if they released the source code to Daidalos or a similar community team with some disclaimers that they can not use it for commercial products without paying royalties or similar...

Yeah! Putting up the source code doesn't cost anything anymore! Just for a peek inside, what may be repairable!


but...
why not sell it as an addon module for CoD ?

most CoD fans would be willing to pay 30$ for a module like that



You're very, VERY wrong here...

[swiss]

The last thing 1C-777 needs in this niche is competiton, there's just no space for it.

So, bring flowers to the burial of the CloD engine, say a few words and get over it.

PS: I don't like the the current development either, i just have to reckon it as a fact(which most likely will drive me off, but hey...)

[AbortedMan]

Hooves all you do is complain. I think bitterness is your middle name. I have never received so many complaints from TS all directed at you. All I did was answer the question. Please take a deep breath before you post anymore.

Uhh, I gotta say you sound pretty bitter, Bliss.

[planespotter]

Beer is bitter

Beer is good

Bitter is good?

[Fjordmonkey]

Beer is bitter

Beer is good

Bitter is good?

Sometimes. Depends on the alcohol-level :D

[*Buzzsaw*]

And you know that how?
:rolleyes:

From Official Jason Williams FAQ:


Q. Will BOS be based on the Digital Nature engine (777 Studios Technology)?

A. Yes, the Digital Nature engine and associated technologies will be the basis for BOS, but of course work will be done to make it ready for WWII aircraft and other changes to the code will no doubt occur over time. The engine is an ever evolving piece of software.

Q. Why was the Digital Nature engine chosen instead of the CLOD engine?

A. The Digital Nature engine is an advanced game engine that has been developed over several years and powers ROF with great results. Besides being relatively bug free and well-functioning, it has advanced physics, realistic flight-modeling, progressive damage modeling, complex ballistics, detailed environmental modeling, detailed terrain modeling and superb graphics rendering. Above all else it is more modular and flexible than the CLOD engine. It can even support different types of player vehicles from main battle tanks to giant robots. Using the Digital Nature engine will provide users with a well-functioning product at launch that can be brought to market fairly quickly. It can still be further enhanced in the future as needed.

Q. Will BOS include every imaginable feature and detail the community will want?

A. Unfortunately, no simulation title can have everything the community will want. There is a relatively short window to create and launch BOS. As 777 Studios learned from developing ROF, it is better to start with digestible chunks of features and content that works and add more over time. We also do not want to keep the community waiting for years while we make a large product that may not work as advertised. We prefer to take it one step at a time.

Q. Will content from CLOD be imported and be used in BOS?

A. If any is used, than all previously created content by 1C Company will be used in the future projects with maximum possibilities.

Q. Will BOS install over CLOD as promised by previous management?

A. Sorry it will not, BOS will be based on a completely different engine and be a completely different product line.


I am sure we will get a stable usable product from 777 Studios. There are many elements of RoF which CoD did not have, for example graphical reflections, cloud systems which are much more detailed, and which don't show the pop up effect of CoD's clouds. However, the engine will lack a number of the elements which were part of CoD. And the complexity of the engine modelling and damage modelling is quite a bit less.

There is no particular utility in criticizing 777 Studios for what they are doing. They provide a product which many people enjoy, myself included. Rather than engaging in a lot of blame assigning and finger pointing, the community would be better off to unite and request to be given as much access to CoD's programming as possible. As I suggested before, this is a win/win for both 1C and the community. If CoD improves, 1C will benefit from sales, and the community will enjoy the game.

I would agree with the OP, let the community have access to the tools, whatever stage they were in, and let us see what we can do. Already people have been able to add features like in game refueling, simply by experimenting.

[4./JG53_Wotan]

One of the potential problems is for online players, especially where scenario play is involved. If many aircraft are added at extra cost some guys may not want or be able to afford them. Of course it will depend on how much they cost.

You don't need to buy all the aircraft unless you intend to fly them. Most people never fly "all the aircraft" in any game. Even with the limited aircraft in CloD there are aircraft I have not even bothered to sit in - I simply have no interest in those aircraft.

In RoF there are certain aircraft that will cover just about any scenario - many times aircraft go on sale for 50% off - $2.99 for an aircraft is cheap. Its only expensive for those who "have to have every plane, weapon, and pilot mod" - even then it can still end up being cheaper then buying a full game and follow up expansion given the bulk rebates and sales.

With with WW2 there are a lot more aircraft options but even then if they focus on releasing aircraft and maps based on specific battles then people can just buy those things they want.

[He111]

The last thing 1C-777 needs in this niche is competiton, there's just no space for it.



I think you're wrong, most Sim fanatics will buy any flight sim that interests them. I doubt CLOD will stop BOS sales unless BOS is backward step. I expect simers will play CLOD until BOS is released but that won't be until early 14 .. that means nothing for `13 .. that's a big hole. Why not allow gamers access to CLOD to fix it. Sounds like BOS might be far more stable and usable on PC tablets where CLOD will only be useable on high end desktops.

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[swiss]

I think you're wrong, most Sim fanatics will buy any flight sim that interests them.

Given the current situation - we can see how very well that worked. ;)


I doubt CLOD will stop BOS sales although BOS is backward step.

fyp. :cool:


that means nothing for `13 ..

True, you made a point here.
I would consider it as a threat though.

[ATAG_Doc]

I wont pay for it. Guarantee it. It's already a huge step back.

[ATAG_Doc]

You don't need to buy all the aircraft unless you intend to fly them. Most people never fly "all the aircraft" in any game. Even with the limited aircraft in CloD there are aircraft I have not even bothered to sit in - I simply have no interest in those aircraft.

In RoF there are certain aircraft that will cover just about any scenario - many times aircraft go on sale for 50% off - $2.99 for an aircraft is cheap. Its only expensive for those who "have to have every plane, weapon, and pilot mod" - even then it can still end up being cheaper then buying a full game and follow up expansion given the bulk rebates and sales.

With with WW2 there are a lot more aircraft options but even then if they focus on releasing aircraft and maps based on specific battles then people can just buy those things they want.


But what if you are on a fixed income? What if you only have an Obama phone which is free and you can't afford $2.99?

[ParaB]

Have to say the ATAG guys are really putting up a class act in this thread.

:rolleyes:

[ATAG_Doc]

Have to say the ATAG guys are really putting up a class act in this thread.

:rolleyes:

I don't have a classy rule to follow. If you don't agree feel free to report me to the ATAG group. I don't lose my consumer status.

[swiss]

I don't have a classy rule to follow. If you don't agree feel free to report me to the ATAG group. I don't lose my consumer status.

He's German, don't be mad at him, they are raised this way. ;)

[Thee_oddball]

And you know that how?



:rolleyes:

1. It's not a brand new engine. DX9 will be standard at launch:evil:http://forum.il2sturmovik.net/index.php?showtopic=7&page=2

[4./JG53_Wotan]

But what if you are on a fixed income? What if you only have an Obama phone which is free and you can't afford $2.99?

On line gaming is a hobby and hobbies are expensive. If you can't afford $2.99 then you probably should spend your free time looking to increase your income rather then playing games.

[raaaid]

i bet there will be free planes as in rof if you cant afford 2.99

in fact the spad one of the best bnzers is free in rof :)

which arises the point that people who like piloting games are green dogs, which you know by the online numbers of a game you can play for free

[AbortedMan]

On line gaming is a hobby and hobbies are expensive. If you can't afford $2.99 then you probably should spend your free time looking to increase your income rather then playing games.

A thousand times, this.

...with all games/hobbies.

[Codex]

Hmmmm average price of monthly internet service $90 / month = $2.90 / day ;)

[Liz Lemon]

I think we need a few others things first. Namely

The Ju.52 and its float variant
The lysander
The He59
The Avro Rota
And all the ac for the Korean campaign... and why not the work they did for BoM while we are at it (doesn't look like 777 cares about reusing assets.)

Now who knows how close to complete these were. The 59 at least got to a complete enough stage that there was a skin for it included in the skin templates released by MG - which leads me to believe it was very close to complete. The others would be fun to play around with even if the fm/dm are completely porked. The Ju52, in particular, would be great to have even if just as a static object.

Hopefully some one close to the dev team will get these out. Please make sure your hard work doesn't go to waste.

EDIT: and for the defiant fans. The night fighter version was planned at some point.

http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g260/restranger/Defiant20MK-I_06.jpg

[Liz Lemon]

Hmmmm average price of monthly internet service $90 / month = $2.90 / day ;)

It doesn't really matter.

Jason said that they are not using the RoF business model, but instead something new. I would guess 1c didn't want to dip its toes into that kind of pond (or insect ridden muddy puddle..)

[Gourmand]

Its time to give us the SDKs... as promised

[Factor]

However, we were given promise and promise of certain features, such as SDKs, and never given any of it, not even the MAP SDK.

With all the lies and broken promises Luthier has pasted all over these boards for years, you believe this community will get anything? That is pretty funny right there.

[Factor]

The team has not finished SDK. The project was canceled before we were able to find the time for this work. Now it is no longer possible.

The team didnt finish ClOD either. :-P Its what we expect from you guys at this point. The only thing you guys could build is a case of hemoroids im afraid. No wonder you guys are teaming with a competent developer.

[bAlliStiK]

The SDK is not sufficient.

Sadly, il2 will definitely die when this community desist in claiming the deserved open sourcing of COD.

If they want to make a ROF of WW2 called IL2 go forward but we want Oleg's dream made ​​reality.

RELEASE COD'S CODE NOW! LONG LIVE TO IL2!

[LukeFF]

The SDK is not sufficient.

Sadly, il2 will definitely die when this community desist in claiming the deserved open sourcing of COD.

If they want to make a ROF of WW2 called IL2 go forward but we want Oleg's dream made ​​reality.

RELEASE COD'S CODE NOW! LONG LIVE TO IL2!

How many times are you going to cross-post this? :rolleyes:

[Fjordmonkey]

How many times are you going to cross-post this? :rolleyes:

It'll probably be posted here many, many times yet, until the point where it becomes like the annoyed child at McDonalds that didn't get the toy they wanted.

Hmm, come to think of it, that's where things are already....