Luthier, many thanks for rescuing CoD !! 3 cheers for luthier

[zapatista]

Luthier,

with all the rumors flying around, and not many of the forum visitors realizing how close we came to total disaster following the forced release of the unfinished CoD, i want o pass my sincere thanks to you for rescuing the SoW/CoD project and persevering to pull it all together in the end under very difficult circumstances.

many thanks also for keeping the greater oleg vision alive, and trying to keep active and further implement many of the new elements that had been worked on in previous years before you took over (rearm/refuel, dynamic weather, vehicle and ship control, dynamic campaign engine, complex AI routines for ground vehicles and trains etc)

without your great effort in the last year this whole SoW project could have collapsed, and in the last few months we now at long last have a pretty decent CoD that runs well on mid level pc's, and a game and gfx engine that will allow a BoM release without much further delay (and will simultaneously implement further fixes for CoD).

we pray now for a steady hand at the wheel and that the SoW series might have many further successful sequels, with each building on the previous one like the old il2 series did, giving us gradually more features and new elements.

3 cheers for luthier !!

and for all you trolls and ungrateful little whiners who might still be squirreling about, let ye be warned, i got a shotgun and a shovel in the boot of my car, and there is a whole lot of desert out there, they wont find your bodies for 20 yrs, and no body = no crime , you wont be missed :)

[pstyle]

I await Yobnaf's eloquent input into the discussion.

[zapatista]

that's one of tree's aliases

you dont need to be psychic to predict what the "contribution" will be :)

if only the rest of life would be this easy :)

[Continu0]

Still no official news that he is still on board or that he left 1C?

[satchenko]

Zapatista lo invitamos a ud a pasar por caja a cobrar su cheque prometido en el dia de la fecha.

La gerencia de 1C.
Muchas gracias.

[SlipBall]

luthier for next presidency!!

[Chivas]

The new IL-2 game engine has slowly but steadily improved, and is still our best hope for the type of WW2 aircombat sim we all want. Even with all COD's problems, its the only combat flight sim that's been able to rekindle my interest in flying. The only major feature holding COD back from being a real good combat flight sim is the AI and commands. If the AI issues can be address, and further improvements are made to other features, the Sequel should be a success. The community and third parties have become involved and are making excellent campaigns.

The development definitely has been a struggle, for many reasons, most we will never hear about, and it appears from posts in the Russian forums there is still some life in the development. I would imagine the development delays have put scrutiny on the jobs of more than a few in the development, some warranted, some not so much. Oleg had more than his fair share of problems developing COD, and Luthier appears to have had many of the same problems. Oleg was a casualty of the long development, and retired, I would imagine Luthier is/has been in the cross-hairs, again warranted or not. Building a far more complex game engine will always be tough in the beginning, but it appears to be at the end of the beginning, and they certainly deserve smoother sailing into the future of the series.

If the development has secured further financing, things will definitely get better, and the Debbie Downers will have to change their mantra from the sim is dead to counting rivets.

[Mysticpuma]

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_sW65ilskOC8/SOtoxTeUQaI/AAAAAAAANwY/Lv0La-ifQR8/s400/BarrelManScrapingBottom.jpg

[O_Smiladon]

Luthier,

i got a shotgun and a shovel in the boot of my car, and there is a whole lot of desert out there, they wont find your bodies for 20 yrs, and no body = no crime , you wont be missed :)

:lol:

[ACE-OF-ACES]

Luthier,

with all the rumors flying around, and not many of the forum visitors realizing how close we came to total disaster following the forced release of the unfinished CoD, i want o pass my sincere thanks to you for rescuing the SoW/CoD project and persevering to pull it all together in the end under very difficult circumstances.

many thanks also for keeping the greater oleg vision alive, and trying to keep active and further implement many of the new elements that had been worked on in previous years before you took over (rearm/refuel, dynamic weather, vehicle and ship control, dynamic campaign engine, complex AI routines for ground vehicles and trains etc)

without your great effort in the last year this whole SoW project could have collapsed, and in the last few months we now at long last have a pretty decent CoD that runs well on mid level pc's, and a game and gfx engine that will allow a BoM release without much further delay (and will simultaneously implement further fixes for CoD).

we pray now for a steady hand at the wheel and that the SoW series might have many further successful sequels, with each building on the previous one like the old il2 series did, giving us gradually more features and new elements.

3 cheers for luthier !!

and for all you trolls and ungrateful little whiners who might still be squirreling about, let ye be warned, i got a shotgun and a shovel in the boot of my car, and there is a whole lot of desert out there, they wont find your bodies for 20 yrs, and no body = no crime , you wont be missed :)
+1

[O_Smiladon]

Opppss I just saw that I have forgotten to take Luthier name off. Oh well with or without it's still a great quote ;)

[Feathered_IV]

Because he was there.

[MB_Avro_UK]

Interesting as to how this forum has become so much quieter since the last patch.

A sign of simmering contentment?

Yes indeed, 3 cheers!

[Mysticpuma]

More of a "well you're not getting anything else, so just wait for any news we care to tell you.....at some point in the future"

Not much point in talking about anything until there is something...hence:

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=36392

[bzc3lk]

Luthier,

3 cheers for luthier !!




http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f51/bzc3lk/fanboy101.jpg


Yep Three Cheers. :rolleyes:

[MusseMus]

3 cheers for luthier !!
+1 (3)
I just tried out a cracked version of COD 1.0 and it's miles away from what we have now. Really terrible :-) Amazing how much Luthier managed to get right in a comparatively short time :grin:

[JG52Krupi]

Well said Zap, he inherited a screwed up game and was clearly forced to bring it out early what I find surprising is everyone still praises Oleg after he clearly left us and his MG team in dire straights.

So thanks Ilya and good luck with your future endeavours!

On another note Mystic, Feathered etc you are they most ignorant bunch of twittering rear ends I have ever had the misfortune to have come across, you were given the chance to be involved with something that you supposedly are a fan of and instead of nurturing it you decided to bite the hand that feeds you... The damage has been done and I don't suspect tools like you to ever change as it's clear you can't see past your own upturned nose!

[lonewulf]

Yes, I suspect the whole thing came very, very close to being abandoned and I'm sure if certain individuals hadn't been prepared to man-up and put their reputations on the line, it would have been. And yes, we all agree that the game isn't all that was advertised and that it still has issues (AI/single player game comes to mind) but who could honestly say that they haven't received their money's worth many times over? Let's just hope that further development is possible and that a series of ever-evolving sequels eventually see the light of day.

Finally might I just say that although people have every right to feel disappointed by aspects of the release and the subsequent development process, endless criticism is in no one's interest. We all want the same thing. Endless negativity just isn't helpful.

[Feathered_IV]

Once again krupi, keep your insults and virtual heroics to yourself.

[kristorf]

So thanks Ilya and good luck
On another note Mystic, Feathered etc you are they most ignorant bunch of twittering rear ends I have ever had the misfortune to have come across, you were given the chance to be involved with something that you supposedly are a fan of and instead of nurturing it you decided to bite the hand that feeds you... The damage has been done and I don't suspect tools like you to ever change as it's clear you can't see past your own upturned nose!

Uncalled for isn't it?

If most others posted this they would be banned for insults, but then as George Orwell wrote
"Some animals are more equal than others"

[Stirwenn]

OP... BS !:evil:

[zapatista]

what I find surprising is everyone still praises Oleg after he clearly left us and his MG team in dire straights.

the only problem i see with oleg (but it is a big issue) is that he didnt manage the SoW project hands-on directly himself, and that he had many other projects on the go at the same time. some of the people he delegated to (like the gfx engine programmers) needed much closer supervision, and in the old il2 development day oleg was in control of that and in the office overseeing his staff continuously. oleg was obviously given lots of slack from seniour management because of his good track record in the previous il2 series, but they are to blame as well because the constantly slipping timelines (about 5 yrs ?) should have been an indication not all was well in the management of the project itself.

i just hope that if there is again a change in SoW management, that they say on course and intend to release BoM next year, rather then completely change their plans again and require a major rework of what was created in the last 18 months for BoM. this constant reorganization can be very damaging and significantly increases the risk of no project being completed at all because of constantly shifting goals and objectives.

but this is luthiers day, let's not digress :)

and luthier, if it so happens you have more free time available, emm err, how about refocusing on the korean war era flightsim you were working on before :) i still have very fond memories of mig alley, both as a early jet flightsim, as well as the dynamic campaign system it used, and many of us here still hope a good modern flightsim of that era will be created :)

[zapatista]

Uncalled for isn't it?

If most others posted this they would be banned for insults, but then as George Orwell wrote
"Some animals are more equal than others"

no kristorf, wrong call there

to have constantly the same mindless negative comments from the same few people here gets really boring and there is no need for it, neither does it achieve anything positive. its just petulant narcissistic self indulgent and attention seeking by some low EQ individuals

either people can provide some constructive feedback in a civilized way, or they should just bugger of and go somewhere else. do any of you really think that some of the SoW developers are reading these forums and seeing the trolling and mindless whining and then decide "o well, freddy seems so upset with all the bugs and problems, why not release to him the fully working flightsim we have sitting on the shelf here, instead of the buggy one they are using now" ? or do you think maybe luthier who was handed the project didnt want to fix the residual CoD problems ? lol, i'd like to see the IQ tests for anybody who claims to believe that :) he was only allowed a minimum amount of time to focus on CoD, and with the longer term survival of the series he had to make the hard decision to do a major rewrite of the whole gfx engine and thereby loose 12 months (which he was able to justify by simultaneously working on the next SoW release), so the money men could see some gravy at the end of the previous trail of losses.

it was a forced buggy released of a beta stage product, and nobody liked it, not them, not us. you really think whining and bitching changes any of that ? it wont ! now if you look at how well CoD runs 12 or 18 months later after the long awaited final patch, it runs pretty well (and would have been fine for most of us here as an initial 1e release in that form).

seen any other ww2 flightsim lately that comes anywhere close to CoD in its current state ? i dont think so !! and dont mention vague promises of XYZ products that in 5 or 10 years from now are going to be so wonderful they "will be better then anything SoW could ever be", because its just pie in the sky and meaningless. there is NOTHING right now that comes close, and NOTHING is in the pipeline anywhere either !

so what are YOU personally going to do to make it more likely we will ever get a decent fully featured next gen ww2 era flightsim ? if whining and trolling is all they can come up with, i say boot the lot of them out and get rid of them. the only thing that will help here is constructive engagement, not acting like a spoiled 2 year old and have a temper tantrum. freedom to participate in these developer run forums comes with some degree of personal responsibility, and by you or others making excuses (or not being able to comprehend) that all the meaningless negative crap they are constantly sprouting is actually damaging (which to them is a great joy, and hence identifies them as individuals who have not the right intentions for helping to create a good ww2 era flightsim), you personally are undermining the exact solution the rest of us are hoping for.

if any of you here make any honest claim to want to get a good next-gen ww2 era flightsim , what we need now is some major gamer websites doing new reviews of the patched CoD (with heinkill's new campaign for ex, or the desastersoft one if looking at single player), AND constructive feedback on the main residual bugs to be fixed during BoM development (eg AI behavior etc). anything other than that is just undermining what some of you pretend to care about

[Viking]

Amen to that Zapatista!
Viking

[kristorf]

So people arn't allowed to criticize the all powerfull 1C/MG debarcle or the 'f%^k you' attitude that appeared from the Devs?

The game may run reasonably well now on upper mid/high end systems if you only want online play (and those servers that there are don't cater for squad based co-ops or are very poorly populated as a rule) but what of the offline content (or lack of)?
The main crux of this game is meant to be the channel map, but unless you can play with codes/scripts etc it can't be used online, personally I don't want to fly on some mickey mouse cross's and rounds map.
The squad I am in had high hopes to run campaign based co-ops but have gone back to 1946 (HSFX) because of its ease of use and adaptablity, something CLoD hasn't (and won't) have.
The dev's themselves said that co-ops on the channel map arn't going to be sorted and we will have to wait for a sequel (as yet pie in the sky) that might sort it. How many will shell out for that, once bitten and all that?

How many people paid good money for a product that required 18 months to even start up nearly every time (I still get CTD's) and how many of those same people have said 'sod it' to what was potentially a game changing formula and moved to other things?

[JG52Krupi]

Uncalled for isn't it?

If most others posted this they would be banned for insults, but then as George Orwell wrote
"Some animals are more equal than others"

Uncalled for? Please find a single post from Feathered over the last year that hasn't been inflammatory, so... uncalled for not really I am just fed up of certain "members" of the "community" that just come here to have a moan and have a go at the developers everyday isn't that against the rules as well yes, I suggest you learn them before talking utter BS!

[Hood]

Uncalled for isn't it?

If most others posted this they would be banned for insults, but then as George Orwell wrote
"Some animals are more equal than others"

Quite, and of course Krupi will now get banned for his name calling and personal attacks. That's if the moderators are impartial and adhere to the rules, and as a scrupulous and fair-minded bunch I'm sure they will.

As for Luthier, I don't know you but well done for doing your job.

Hood

[kristorf]

I am just fed up of certain "members" of the "community" that just come here to have a moan and have a go at the developers everyday isn't that against the rules as well yes, I suggest you learn them before talking utter BS!

So were does it say you can't have a go at the (lack of) Dev's but that you can insult those who do?

[JG52Krupi]

I have been banned before for biting on the post of these ignorant fools before HOOD so they are doing the job but there are not banning the people that deserve to be only the ones that react to the crap they post.

So yeah complain and report me I don't really care anymore I am just fed up of the utter ignorance of these trolls!

[Feathered_IV]

Uncalled for? Please find a single post from Feathered over the last year that hasn't been inflammatory, so... uncalled for not really I am just fed up of certain "members" of the "community" that just come here to have a moan and have a go at the developers everyday isn't that against the rules as well yes, I suggest you learn them before talking utter BS!

I would take it as a kindness if you would put me on your ignore list. Do not quote me, do not participate in any threads I might create, and do not view any of my posts ever again.

[JG52Krupi]

So were does it say you can't have a go at the (lack of) Dev's but that you can insult those who do?

I am sorry if I have offended you by calling out the trolls but then if you are offended you must be one as well, oh well... guess I am not sorry in the slightest!

Troll to your hearts content!

[kristorf]

Whos trolling, I am asking you a simple question about the rules that you raised, maybe you can't answer it because what you say doesn't exist?
I also asked why are you insulting people just because they have differant (and possibly higher) expectaions of this 'game' than you.

However, I am not going to get into a slagging match with you because you arn't worth it.

[zapatista]

and back on topic gents,

if you'r not in this thread to have the common courtesy to provide some positive feedback for luthier hard (and very un-thankful ) work in the last 2 years, then your in the wrong place and i'd suggest you kindly bugger off somewhere else

[JG52Krupi]

Whos trolling, I am asking you a simple question about the rules that you raised, maybe you can't answer it because what you say doesn't exist?
I also asked why are you insulting people just because they have differant (and possibly higher) expectaions of this 'game' than you.

However, I am not going to get into a slagging match with you because you arn't worth it.

So you think it's right to defend people who brake the rules but find it okay to berate those who point out the trolling, oh the irony!

[Feathered_IV]

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showpost.php?p=486405&postcount=30

[lokitexas]

I have been banned before for biting on the post of these ignorant fools before HOOD so they are doing the job but there are not banning the people that deserve to be only the ones that react to the crap they post.

So yeah complain and report me I don't really care anymore I am just fed up of the utter ignorance of these trolls!

Ignorance can also be swinging from CLoDs nuts and thanking them for a 1/2assed attempt of a WWII flight game. Ignoring how many got hoodwinked. Ignoring the lack of dev input. Ignoring the fact CLoD is/was a failure.

But go ahead and get upset with people that dont bow down to a dev team that cant get their game working without (maybe) selling you a new game...to....er....fix the old one.

But dont get too hurt, according to history the devs dont read this forum anyway. I am sure they wont see the insults.

[JG52Krupi]

Please show me another game that for £30 gives you the same or more aicraft with that level of system detail, the same detail of DM and a quite good landscape!

Hmmm yeah there isn't anyone that have done that!

So the only problem was the performance that given time would have been improved!

Ignorance clearly is bliss, a half assed ww2 sim that gave more detail to most areas than any other ww2 sim out there, but somehow the devs didn't give us anything... Get a brain and grow up!

[kristorf]

Krupi,
I must admit to the fact that I find you one obnoxious baffoon, I know I will get a warning or ban for this but boy it's worth it.

BTW, still waiting for the link to the rules that say people can't criticise??

[Hood]

I have been banned before for biting on the post of these ignorant fools before HOOD so they are doing the job but there are not banning the people that deserve to be only the ones that react to the crap they post.

So yeah complain and report me I don't really care anymore I am just fed up of the utter ignorance of these trolls!

Trolls, or just people that have a different opinion that you disagree with?

You don't have to bite so don't. It's simple, there are three types of fanboys as I see it:

1 - Vocal in their support for the developer despite how bad the original program is and how the developers communicate with their fan base.

2 - Accept what's what and just get on with it - the majority now that the final patch is here.

3 - Who want to love the game but are very vocal in what they think about how the game was released or has been managed.

None of the groups have a divine right to be "right" more than the others, none have a monopoly on stupidity and all can be vicious at times. The OP just seems designed to get a bite so is provocative - that's my view.

If it wasn't meant to get an adverse reaction then it's pretty crazy not to review it before posting - the way these boards are pretty much the only responses you'd get is +1 or your head bitten off.

As for the OP, sure Luthier may have done a good job but we'll never know, only surmise. If we knew the whole story then we'd be able to assess it, but that isn't 1C's way, is it?

Hood

Hood

[JG52Krupi]

Krupi,
I must admit to the fact that I find you one obnoxious baffoon, I know I will get a warning or ban for this but boy it's worth it.

BTW, still waiting for the link to the rules that say people can't criticise??

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=21176

Good enough for you ignorant hypocrite!

[JG52Krupi]

Trolls, or just people that have a different opinion that you disagree with?

You don't have to bite so don't. It's simple, there are three types of fanboys as I see it:

1 - Vocal in their support for the developer despite how bad the original program is and how the developers communicate with their fan base.

2 - Accept what's what and just get on with it - the majority now that the final patch is here.

3 - Who want to love the game but are very vocal in what they think about how the game was released or has been managed.

None of the groups have a divine right to be "right" more than the others, none have a monopoly on stupidity and all can be vicious at times. The OP just seems designed to get a bite so is provocative - that's my view.

If it wasn't meant to get an adverse reaction then it's pretty crazy not to review it before posting - the way these boards are pretty much the only responses you'd get is +1 or your head bitten off.

As for the OP, sure Luthier may have done a good job but we'll never know, only surmise. If we knew the whole story then we'd be able to assess it, but that isn't 1C's way, is it?

Hood

Hood

Please find me a post from feathered that is helpful/a positive criticism!

[David Hayward]

http://www.planetcalypsoforum.com/gallery/files/1/5/homereatingpopcorn.JPG

[kristorf]

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=21176

Good enough for you ignorant hypocrite!

Can't see any rule that says you can't criticise though.......

[Continu0]

http://www.planetcalypsoforum.com/gallery/files/1/5/homereatingpopcorn.JPG

I am in!

[JG52Krupi]

Can't see any rule that says you can't criticise though.......

My mistake I thought you could read English, thus explains a lot!

Like I said before show me a constructive post from feathered.

[zapatista]

Can't see any rule that says you can't criticise though.......

some element of common sense should be applied

under the rules it says

2. Whines, complaints, personal attacks, and other verbal nonsense postings may be deleted with no explanation and offending members may be banned.

and

The developers constantly post on this site. The members of this forums want good rapport with the developers.

Those of us who have been with IL2 for over 10+ years know with a sophisticated application as BOB COD it takes time to work through issues..............

.....If you cannot participate with our members with constructive discussions you definitely need to go somewhere else.

Rants and whines, and verbal blastings are cause for ban.

Our members want continued good discussion relationships with the developers and technically competent users.

Moderators serve and enforce what members expect to maintain these relationships.

and

10. Off topic discussion - in full or in part. Purposeful and/ or continuous off topic discussion. Threads that promote discussion of competitor game products is Off Topic discussion.

11. False Information - Dissemination of false information regardless of the poster's awareness.

these forums are not some skoolyard playground for people to moan and bitch claiming "its their right" to free speech, or for those having an over inflated sense of their own self importance, the forum is intended as a positive interaction environment with the developers.

complain once, complain twice, fair enough. but having the same childish cluster of repeat offenders prevent normal constructive interaction is another thing, and is not only unwanted and prohibited under the rules but also destructive to anybody trying to resolve problems and improve the game, particularly so since 80% of the previous complaints about gameplay have been addressed already in the last few months and the game is now running pretty well, the constant bitching and moaning is completely disproportionate to the less important residual issues that we still have to deal with. meanwhile on the positive side CoD is turning into what most of us have been waiting for for a very long time, and the whiners and trolls are only undermining further progress, not helping to improve anything !

if you once had a bad meal at a restaurant and feel cheesed off at the wasted money, do any of you moaners and whiners really camp out 24/7 in front of the restaurant for the next 5 years and completely neglect the rest of your life, i dont think so. keep things in proportion, have a look at the forums every 3 or 4 months and see if things have changed for the better, but ffs get over it already. isnt there some more worthwhile cause to put all that energy into, you know like man made climate change creating severe weather system disruption and the north pole now expected to be completely gone by 2020, the sheister bankers that just robbed us all blind and are laughing all the way to the bank with your hard earned money, or you personally financing the militarization of our next ww's opponent with your consumer spending etc..

[JG52Uther]

What he said.