HEMP for VICTORY!

[TheEditor]

I wanted to let you know about a new petition I created on We the People, a new feature on WhiteHouse.gov, and ask for your support. Will you add your name to mine? If this petition gets 25,000 signatures by December 13, 2012, the White House will review it and respond!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ne9UF-pFhJY

We the People allows anyone to create and sign petitions asking the Obama
Administration to take action on a range of issues. If a petition gets
enough support, the Obama Administration will issue an official response.


CLICK HERE
http://wh.gov/X3tE

[swiss]

Colorado rocks.

[TheEditor]

Washington rocks too! For people who don't know, Colorado and Washington voted on Nov 6 to legalize small amounts of marijuana and to regulate it like alcohol. If the USA Feds don't step in, that means Amsterdam now has competition.

But the petition above is not for weed but for hemp and yes there is a difference.

[ACE-OF-ACES]

If the USA Feds don't step in, that means Amsterdam now has competition.
Amsterdam is not a selling point IMHO!

I have a very libertarian view on drugs..

I think all forms of drugs that can be tested for should be legal!

Than just legislate it like we do alcohol!

But for it to work you will also have to remove any and all goverment support for those people who get hooked on drugs!

As in they F-up their brains to a point that they are not able to hold down a job and 'now' require government assistance to survive..

For legislative examples, with regards to alcohol..

If you are a pilot, you can not fly a plane if you have had a drink in the past 24 hours..

Do the same thing for other drugs, just adjust the time frame to account for the drug in question..

If you are a pilot, you can not fly a plane if you have smoked a joint in the past 40 hours..
If you are a pilot, you can not fly a plane if you have snorted coke in the past 80 hours..
If you are a pilot, you can not fly a plane if you have dropped acid in the past month..

Granted some jobs will not require such strict rules..

I am sure the starbucks barista with a ring in his nose and tats up one arm and down the other will still be able to perform his/her job under the influance

But most jobs will require such strict rules!

The up side to legal drugs is it would remove most if not all the criminal activity associated with illegal drugs

And what makes it a win win is the following..

In that no typical working man will be able to do drugs.. Except maybe when he is on vacation.. In that there are just not enough hours to recover before you have to go back to work..

Thus the only people who can afford to do drugs will be the rich kid types who inherited their wealth.. And I could care less about what they do to screw up their heads! In that they can afford to be brain dead.

Granted some people may point out that there are some drugs that you only have to do once and your hooked!

Oh well! Sorry about your bad luck!

That is to say if your dumb enough to take such a drug, than don't come crying to me or society as a whole to pay for your sorry existence for the rest of your brain dead life!

You are on your own, and, hopefully not long!

The down side is initially drug use would increase exponentially

But within a few years you would see it drop way down

Why?

Well if what they say about pot and other drugs is true, that being they are all gateway drugs to stronger drugs, than eventually every pot head will take the drug that takes them out! Which means within a few years, all those in society that feel the need to do drugs would be out of the gene pool leaving behind those who didn't feel the need to do drugs...

In essence drug use would become self correcting

But it only works if we remove all support for those who choose to do drugs. Amsterdam is proof of that!

So the only way I sign such a petition is if all government support is removed for those who choose to do drugs. Or at least go as far as to have a one time prescription filled out, where you have to sign a wavier stating you agree to not be eligible for government assistance of any kind.

[TheEditor]

Amsterdam is not a selling point IMHO!

I have a very libertarian view on drugs..

I think all forms of drugs that can be tested for should be legal!

Than just legislate it like we do alcohol!

But for it to work you will also have to remove any and all goverment support for those people who get hooked on drugs!

As in they F-up their brains to a point that they are not able to hold down a job and 'now' require government assistance to survive..

For legislative examples, with regards to alcohol..

If you are a pilot, you can not fly a plane if you have had a drink in the past 24 hours..

Do the same thing for other drugs, just adjust the time frame to account for the drug in question..

If you are a pilot, you can not fly a plane if you have smoked a joint in the past 40 hours..
If you are a pilot, you can not fly a plane if you have snorted coke in the past 80 hours..
If you are a pilot, you can not fly a plane if you have dropped acid in the past month..

Granted some jobs will not require such strict rules..

I am sure the starbucks barista with a ring in his nose and tats up one arm and down the other will still be able to perform his/her job under the influance

But most jobs will require such strict rules!

The up side to legal drugs is it would remove most if not all the criminal activity associated with illegal drugs

And what makes it a win win is the following..

In that no typical working man will be able to do drugs.. Except maybe when he is on vacation.. In that there are just not enough hours to recover before you have to go back to work..

Thus the only people who can afford to do drugs will be the rich kid types who inherited their wealth.. And I could care less about what they do to screw up their heads! In that they can afford to be brain dead.

Granted some people may point out that there are some drugs that you only have to do once and your hooked!

Oh well! Sorry about your bad luck!

That is to say if your dumb enough to take such a drug, than don't come crying to me or society as a whole to pay for your sorry existence for the rest of your brain dead life!

You are on your own, and, hopefully not long!

The down side is initially drug use would increase exponentially

But within a few years you would see it drop way down

Why?

Well if what they say about pot and other drugs is true, that being they are all gateway drugs to stronger drugs, than eventually every pot head will take the drug that takes them out! Which means within a few years, all those in society that feel the need to do drugs would be out of the gene pool leaving behind those who didn't feel the need to do drugs...

In essence drug use would become self correcting

But it only works if we remove all support for those who choose to do drugs. Amsterdam is proof of that!

So the only way I sign such a petition is if all government support is removed for those who choose to do drugs. Or at least go as far as to have a one time prescription filled out, where you have to sign a wavier stating you agree to not be eligible for government assistance of any kind.

After reading your wall of text, I think you've went a little overboard. Look, the petition is for hemp which is NOT A DRUG! I'm also for legalizing marjuana like alcohol. Marjuana is less harmful to your body and mind. When the last time you have heard of someone smoking a joint and killing their wife? You can't even overdose with weed!


The other drugs don't need to be legalized imho. Maybe in the future governments can just decriminalize the other drugs. Portugal has been doing this for around 10 years.

[arthursmedley]

I guess no one else understands it's not about a drug either? You need how many signatories?

Total signatures on this petition

13

[ACE-OF-ACES]

After reading your wall of text, I think you've went a little overboard.
Sadly your in good company.. So many today feel that taking personal responsibly for their actions is too much to ask.

Look, the petition is for hemp which is NOT A DRUG!
I never said it was a drug..

Which begs the question as to why you brought up Amsterdam, when in fact China is the world leader in hemp production.

I'm also for legalizing marijuana like alcohol.
That is good to hear.. But why stop with mary jane? Why not make all drugs legal?

Marijuana is less harmful to your body and mind.
Maybe less harmful

Hard to tell say with certainty due to the fact that it is illegal it is harder to collect data on peoples habits.

But we know marijuana is harmful, only questions left is how harmful. Common since should tell you to avoid inhaling smoke of any kind.. Hence the natural instinct to cough when there is smoke.. It is something you have to learn/train your bodies natural instinct to ignore.. Most marijuana smokers consume a lot less cannabis than cigarette smokers consume tobacco, however the harmful effects of smoking marijuana should not be ignored. Marijuana contains more carcinogenic hydrocarbons than tobacco smoke and because marijuana smokers typically inhale deeper and hold the smoke in their lungs longer than tobacco smokers, their lungs are exposed to those carcinogenic properties longer, when smoking... Scientists have found that regular marijuana smokers can experience the same respiratory problems as tobacco smokers do, like frequent acute chest illnesses, increased risk of lung infections, obstructed airways. Marijuana smoke contains three times the amount of tar found in tobacco smoke and 50 percent more carcinogens, it would seem logical to deduce that there is an increased risk of lung cancer for marijuana smokers. However, researchers have not been able to definitively prove such a link because their studies have not been able to adjust for tobacco smoking and other factors that might also increase the risk. Studies linking marijuana smoking to lung cancer have also been limited by selection bias and small sample size. For example, the participants in those studies may have been too young to have developed lung cancer yet. Even though researchers have yet to "prove" a link between smoking pot and lung cancer, regular smokers may want to consider the risk.

When the last time you have heard of someone smoking a joint and killing their wife?
Well what with todays media it would not surprise me if they filter out such events.. For example, before the SUV, when there was a car wreck, the new would report there was a car wreck.. The news didn't specify if it was a two door, four door, a station wagon, or a pickup.. But now that the media is out to get SUVs and those who drive SUVs, the media always points out it was an SUV involved in such and such even though the ascendents had nothing to do with it being a SUV

You can't even overdose with weed!
But you can die! Within a few minutes after smoking marijuana, the heart begins beating more rapidly and the blood pressure drops. Marijuana can cause the heart beat to increase by 20 to 50 beats per minute, and can increase even more if other drugs are used at the same time.
Because of the lower blood pressure and higher heart rate, researchers found that users' risk for a heart attack is four times higher within the first hour after smoking marijuana, compared to their general risk of heart attack when not smoking.

The other drugs don't need to be legalized imho.
Why not? I mean the same arguments made for mary jane today apply to them

Maybe in the future governments can just decriminalize the other drugs. Portugal has been doing this for around 10 years.
I am all for that too! But as noted, none of this will work unless the government also removes the support for those who 'choose' to F-up their brains!

[CWMV]

Honestly I think its a great idea. No reason we should ham-string ourselves from using a legitimate working tool.

That said I will not sign anything going to the White House, until we have a real American sitting in office-not a man who hates his country.

[Wutz]

Yeah reinstall the 18th amendment! :lol:

[raaaid]

aacording the conspiracy theory hemp was made illegal to favour petrochemical textiles

they even made make look people look bad on hemp by changing its name

hemp string sounds innocent

[ECV56_Guevara]

It´s not legal to grow Hemp for rope/industrial use in USA?

As drugs...it s are another way of social control, as TV and mass media, alcohol etc.., but I´m supporter of the idea of legal marihuana for recreative use. Other drugs...hell no! Too dangerous, nothing good come from them.

[raaaid]

well i guess you can with a quite special permision

from the wiki:

Hemp was used extensively by the United States during World War II. Uniforms, canvas, and rope were among the main textiles created from the hemp plant at this time.[78] Much of the hemp used was cultivated in Kentucky and the Midwest.

today you CANT get hemp clothes and for what i heard theyre much better than jeans

[swiss]

today you CANT get hemp clothes...

Did you try to google this statement?

[raaaid]

Did you try to google this statement?

i think panama jack sells them , i meant as a general trend they are hard to get while in the past hemp clothes were widely used as for example in nearly all wwii uniforms

edit:

although the main reason hemp is banned while alcohol allowed is cause one makes you think while the other animalize you

[swiss]

i think panama jack sells them , i meant as a general trend they are hard to get while in the past hemp clothes were widely used as for example in nearly all wwii uniforms

edit:

although the main reason hemp is banned while alcohol allowed is cause one makes you think while the other animalize you

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=hemp+clothes

[ElAurens]

What's amazing to me is that this thread is allowed to go on, but discussion of the future of the sim that brought us all together in the first place is quashed.

Even in the "lounge" area of the forum.

Truly the world turned upside down.

Mods, if you could be so kind to explain this to me, as I am all at sea about it, I'd appreciate it.

Oh, and one thing on the subject of this thread, as you get a bit older, all the passions about "hemp" (nudge nudge wink wink say no more) all seem a bit silly in the great scheme of life.

[raaaid]

for the last ten years ive kept an eye on the development of cannabidiol a component of hemP as a highly effective antipsicotic WITHOUT SIDE EFFECTS


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabidiol

This research indicates that CBD acts as an anti-psychotic and may counteract the potential psychotomimetic effects of THC on individuals with latent schizophrenia.

curently im having an antipsicotic which causes parkinson symptons so i have to have an antiparkinson akineton WHICH CAUSES HALLUCINATIONS, does this make any sense?

my fear and i think is not paranoia is though cannabidiol is very effective on psicosis it will never be comercial since plants cant hold a PATENT

http://parkinsons-disease.emedtv.com/akineton/akineton-overdose.html

If a person takes too much Akineton (biperiden hydrochloride), overdose symptoms could occur and may include hallucinations,

[TheEditor]

That is good to hear.. But why stop with mary jane? Why not make all drugs legal?

There is a difference between "legal" and "Decriminalization." When people in the US see "legal" they think they can go to Walmart and buy it. I don't want that.

Heroin and Marijuana are both Schedule I drugs in the US but they shouldn't be treated the same. Hell Marijuana shouldn't be a Schedule I drug at all!


But we know marijuana is harmful, only questions left is how harmful. Common since should tell you to avoid inhaling smoke of any kind.. Hence the natural instinct to cough when there is smoke.. It is something you have to learn/train your bodies natural instinct to ignore.. Most marijuana smokers consume a lot less cannabis than cigarette smokers consume tobacco, however the harmful effects of smoking marijuana should not be ignored. Marijuana contains more carcinogenic hydrocarbons than tobacco smoke and because marijuana smokers typically inhale deeper and hold the smoke in their lungs longer than tobacco smokers, their lungs are exposed to those carcinogenic properties longer, when smoking... Scientists have found that regular marijuana smokers can experience the same respiratory problems as tobacco smokers do, like frequent acute chest illnesses, increased risk of lung infections, obstructed airways. Marijuana smoke contains three times the amount of tar found in tobacco smoke and 50 percent more carcinogens, it would seem logical to deduce that there is an increased risk of lung cancer for marijuana smokers. However, researchers have not been able to definitively prove such a link because their studies have not been able to adjust for tobacco smoking and other factors that might also increase the risk. Studies linking marijuana smoking to lung cancer have also been limited by selection bias and small sample size. For example, the participants in those studies may have been too young to have developed lung cancer yet. Even though researchers have yet to "prove" a link between smoking pot and lung cancer, regular smokers may want to consider the risk.

I'd love to see your sources on this info. There is more than one way to take Marijuana. You can use a vaporizer, there's drinks, and edibles. There's a comany in Colorado trying to make money off this idea. They're hoping to sell off to big pharma or big alcohol. www.dixieelixirs.com/


But you can die! Within a few minutes after smoking marijuana, the heart begins beating more rapidly and the blood pressure drops. Marijuana can cause the heart beat to increase by 20 to 50 beats per minute, and can increase even more if other drugs are used at the same time.
Because of the lower blood pressure and higher heart rate, researchers found that users' risk for a heart attack is four times higher within the first hour after smoking marijuana, compared to their general risk of heart attack when not smoking.


Again show a news story or something that shows someone having a heart attack from smoking weed...BS

http://www.drugpolicy.org/drug-facts/10-facts-about-marijuana

[TheEditor]

What's amazing to me is that this thread is allowed to go on, but discussion of the future of the sim that brought us all together in the first place is quashed.

Even in the "lounge" area of the forum.

Truly the world turned upside down.

Mods, if you could be so kind to explain this to me, as I am all at sea about it, I'd appreciate it.


This is why I put this in the pilots lounge! The pilots lounge is to talk about most everything short of raping and killing old people. Mods don't have to explain anything to you because there is nothing wrong going on here.


Oh, and one thing on the subject of this thread, as you get a bit older, all the passions about "hemp" (nudge nudge wink wink say no more) all seem a bit silly in the great scheme of life.


Just because your "older" and beaten down by life doesn't mean someone else can't take the torch. I hate it when people try to marginalize the subject of hemp and weed by saying, "we have more important things to worry about." I don't think others realize how many people and things are effected by this subject. Here is a good starting point:
http://www.drugpolicy.org/drug-facts/10-facts-about-marijuana

[ElAurens]

Older and beaten down by life?


Stereotype much?

:rolleyes:


The only reason I have any opinion on the subject is that, IMHO, drug enforcement is a colossal waste of money and resources, and it has only lead to the militarization of civilian law enforcement.

As to usage and the lifestyle of it, I couldn't care less about it anymore.

A good single malt scotch is far more satisfying, and it won't hurt your lungs.

[TheEditor]

Older and beaten down by life?


Stereotype much?

:rolleyes:


The only reason I have any opinion on the subject is that, IMHO, drug enforcement is a colossal waste of money and resources, and it has only lead to the militarization of civilian law enforcement.

As to usage and the lifestyle of it, I couldn't care less about it anymore.

A good single malt scotch is far more satisfying, and it won't hurt your lungs.

Fair enough, we agree on the "colossal waste of money and resources" part. Its cool that you "couldn't care less about it anymore" but at least you have that freedom to choose that liver eatting malt scotch over the (yet to be proven) lung destroying weed.

See friendly debates. Now only if a certain sim had that....:grin:

[tk471138]

Older and beaten down by life?


Stereotype much?

:rolleyes:


The only reason I have any opinion on the subject is that, IMHO, drug enforcement is a colossal waste of money and resources, and it has only lead to the militarization of civilian law enforcement.

As to usage and the lifestyle of it, I couldn't care less about it anymore.

A good single malt scotch is far more satisfying, and it won't hurt your lungs.

hypocrisy much?? alcohol which is toxic and harmful to your cells reaches EVERY part of your body once its in the bloodstream....

THC is not toxic

....any time someone combusts plant material it will produce things that might not be good for ones lungs....however the risks of smoking most american cigarettes has given smoking (anything) a bad reputation...when the majority of the risk from smoking comes from the additives that companies add to the tobacco in the cigarettes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_additives_in_cigarettes) you wont hear this from any of those anti tobacco people...who clearly have no common sense cuz if they did they would realize that these industrial solvents and stuff that we use in cleaning products is the OBVIOUS cause of much of the harm of tobacco...

also apparently when this video hemp for victory was rediscovered the govt and those responsible for it denied that it was ever an official video...public officials denied that this was a real video (after all must maintain the lies about drugs to the public) it wasnt untill activists went to the governments own records and had to prove what was already known, all because some idiots in govt wanted to maintain the status quo....but this is the caring govt that so many idiots love to defend, even though this same govt obviously holds us all in contempt and has zero respect for its people since they think we are all idiots who believe their constant and obvious lies (you know the same people that those in govt are beholden to, thats why they are called "public servants")


just about EVERYTHING regarding the war on drugs (not just cannabis) is based on lies and deception and racism...this is common knowledge...just look at what children are taught about drugs by their local police, mostly lies and gross exaggerations...but it seems too many americans want to be good little slaves and believe the obvious lies that some "authority" spreads some of the first prohibition laws (and gun laws) were for american indians blacks mexicans and asians

after all they sold the drug prohibition by saying stuff like "the negro, crazed on cannabis (cocaine opium what ever) will rape your white daughters'...this is the rallying cry of the prohibitionists

also drug prohibition is unconstitutional...remember alcohol prohibitions required a constitutional amendment to be legal....this constitutional amendment has long since been repealed...thus for drug prohibition to be legal the states would have to make a constitutional amendment making it legal....

the public has no obligation to follow an unconstitutional law and any law that goes against the rights of the people aught to be fought against and ignored...and when the police enforce an unconstitutional law, they must be resisted....remember as an american its LEGAL to use violence in defense of your creator endowed rights...


a funny story...in one of my criminology classes i tried to explain to a professor that hemp is essentially inert cannabis, and that consuming it would be mostly pointless, since the % of psychoactive components is so low which is why its used for its fiber and oils and generally not consumed...of course like most idiot college professors who have no first hand knowledge, denied this claim....according to the "experts" (you know the idiots who write scholarly papers that influence policy) in the criminal justice field hemp is just as bad as cannabis...also the head of the DEA has gone on record saying that cannabis is no more or less harmful than drugs like heroin...according to the dea cocaine (schedule 2) is SAFER than cannabis (schedule 1)


tldr version...the us govt (and basically any govt on this planet) does nothing but lie and mislead the public in order to manipulate their perception (in this case their perception of drugs and the rights of individuals) often times they make stuff illegal to increase their own profits (govts are involved in drug dealing, this is old news congressional investigations have proven this numerous times) private bankers love drug prohibition cuz of the money that needs to be moved (through their banks)
drug prohibition (war on drugs) is unconstitutional for numerous reasons

drug prohibition also relied on racism and oppressing the different groups of immigrants,

the same can be said with laws that infringe on the second amendment rights of the people, laws limiting the second amendment was also started on american Indians and other groups...thats how you know these laws are here simply to oppress the rights of the people...NOT for the health and other concerns the liars in govt claim....

remember when the govt wants to infringe on the rights of the people they do so on unpopular groups for two reasons, 1 to test how they will carry out such activity (a test ground if you will) and 2 in order to acclimate the public for what is to come down the road....

pretty soon the idea of prohibition will be extended to anything the govt deems "harmful to health" the idea of limiting or prohibiting of certain foods will not be so foreign since the precedent has been set through the prohibition of drugs cuz they are harmful....

[Richie]

I'm pretty sure it would have even been legal here by now but we have this bone head as Prime Minister who doesn't want to offend anybody

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFp210pZSKk&feature=related


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKgY5eOlhEc&feature=player_embedded#!