Il-2 Cliffs of Dover b. 2011 - d. 2012

[baronWastelan]

Spitfires, as they appear in my imagination. According to Ilya, this looks completely wrong; they're your babies after all, and if you want to trash them, no mere mortal can stop you.

Thanks Kristorf, checkmysix and Shado for the skins!

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d63/baronWastelan/102in111c-1.jpg

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d63/baronWastelan/102in111b.jpg

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d63/baronWastelan/102in111f.jpg

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d63/baronWastelan/102in111e.jpg

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d63/baronWastelan/102in111g.jpg

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d63/baronWastelan/102in111h.jpg

[Blennydude]

erm... ?!? Is this about the skins? Well, exactly for this reason, there ARE skins to change. Everyone can have his/her own Spitfires!

[CaptainDoggles]

I don't understand the OP

[Feathered_IV]

Got no idea what he's talking about either :confused:

[ElAurens]

I don't understand the OP

Agreed.

The only thing stopping skin DLs online are the server hosts.

[Feathered_IV]

Maybe he's talking about the poorly optimised weathering layer. Those shots are all fairly old I think.

[bw_wolverine]

Yes, the weathering is stuck on atrocious. :(

[baronWastelan]

Maybe he's talking about the poorly optimised weathering layer. Those shots are all fairly old I think.

I'm glad that at least you are able to see the difference between properly displayed skins and the currently "poorly optimised weathering layer", as you tactfully describe it.

These shots were made by me yesterday in the latest steam version of CloD, after I rolled back a "bob" data file to the version with the original "weathering" effects. One could easily see from the kristorf skins I used, according to the date he made them available for download, that my shots would have been made no earlier than 06-20-2012.
http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showpost.php?p=436195&postcount=197

Sorry for the bad news Blennydude: not everyone can have them look like this. Luckily for the vast majority, they can't tell the difference anyway.

[klem]

They are nice skins.

But I think the sentiments of the OP lie in the thread title and I'm curious as to why he is still here.

[Chivas]

"Il-2 Cliffs of Dover b. 2011 - d. 2012"

Add another to the long list of people prematurely predicting the death of COD. They've all been wrong for the last five years and I would suspect they will continue to be wrong as long as the game engine keeps evolving. It appears the Sequel will include the Channel Map which will benefit from all the feature improvements in the next release. It will be interesting to see what changes/additions are made in the developers plans with the pending announcement.

[CaptainDoggles]

I never get close enough to notice the weathering effects on the skins.

[furbs]

I never get close enough to notice the weathering effects on the skins.

Even when you look out the side of your own aircraft at your wing?

[baronWastelan]

"Il-2 Cliffs of Dover b. 2011 - d. 2012"

Add another to the long list of people prematurely predicting the death of COD. They've all been wrong for the last five years and I would suspect they will continue to be wrong as long as the game engine keeps evolving. It appears the Sequel will include the Channel Map which will benefit from all the feature improvements in the next release. It will be interesting to see what changes/additions are made in the developers plans with the pending announcement.

This has nothing to do about "the game engine" which is perfectly fine now. The Sequel and "feature improvements" are irrelevant to this topic. Why is a sequel in another theatre necessary to re-implement something that existed in CloD last year, and still exists today on my own PC? This topic is nothing more than an observation of an apparent act of vandalism against Spitfires in CloD that was done, for what??

These are just my observations, as an artist and someone who appreciates the enormous work that went into the design and construction of these historic aircraft, as well as the artists here who crafted in such exacting detail the skins for them. This thread is simply my own personal footnote to Cliffs of Dover.

[CaptainDoggles]

Even when you look out the side of your own aircraft at your wing?

When I'm in my own aircraft I'm looking for dots, not at my paint job.

[CaptainDoggles]

an apparent act of vandalism against Spitfires in CloD :rolleyes:

[furbs]

When I'm in my own aircraft I'm looking for dots, not at my paint job.


Of course, but you do see it?

It's not that important when flying combat missions or online, but if i could choose between having it look better and what we have now, i would choose the better looking.

Plus for movie and screen shots makers its more important.

[Blennydude]

"Il-2 Cliffs of Dover b. 2011 - d. 2012"

Add another to the long list of people prematurely predicting the death of COD. They've all been wrong for the last five years and I would suspect they will continue to be wrong as long as the game engine keeps evolving. It appears the Sequel will include the Channel Map which will benefit from all the feature improvements in the next release. It will be interesting to see what changes/additions are made in the developers plans with the pending announcement.

Well, now it HAS died. A game which lacks workable AI radio commands (and more AI issues), has numerous flaws in FMs, massive problems with LoD and many more massive bugs and flaws, has just recieved its "last" patch (the first "real" one, to be honest).
I just don't understand why certain people always hop in, unprovoked, and start to bash people who actually can't ignore multiple game-breaking issues. This very false sense of pride requires at least 3 rose-colored glasses stacked on top of each other.

And before anyone's asking: I am still here to see what can be made of this "abandoned battlefield". After all, I've paid for the game, too.

[Al Capwn]

I have to say wonderful screenshots! I love that brand new factory Spitfire look; I absolutely hate the forced weathering effects.

Thanks for sharing!

[philip.ed]

I'm glad that at least you are able to see the difference between properly displayed skins and the currently "poorly optimised weathering layer", as you tactfully describe it.

These shots were made by me yesterday in the latest steam version of CloD, after I rolled back a "bob" data file to the version with the original "weathering" effects. One could easily see from the kristorf skins I used, according to the date he made them available for download, that my shots would have been made no earlier than 06-20-2012.
http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showpost.php?p=436195&postcount=197

Sorry for the bad news Blennydude: not everyone can have them look like this. Luckily for the vast majority, they can't tell the difference anyway.

Could you please explain how we can do this too? I hate the weathering. It's awful.

[major_setback]

Could you please explain how we can do this too? I hate the weathering. It's awful.



+1

Can we have old weathering with the new version of the game, or did you revert everything to the original version?

[Chivas]

Well, now it HAS died. A game which lacks workable AI radio commands (and more AI issues), has numerous flaws in FMs, massive problems with LoD and many more massive bugs and flaws, has just recieved its "last" patch (the first "real" one, to be honest).
I just don't understand why certain people always hop in, unprovoked, and start to bash people who actually can't ignore multiple game-breaking issues. This very false sense of pride requires at least 3 rose-colored glasses stacked on top of each other.

And before anyone's asking: I am still here to see what can be made of this "abandoned battlefield". After all, I've paid for the game, too.

Why would you think that improved AI Commands in the Sequel won't work on the Channel map. Of course they will, along with the new GUI, Weather/clouds, FM, AI, new features, etc, etc, not to mention using the map SDK to improve the Channel Map.

[He111]

There are far more important problems than weathering. Related to skins is the bug that skins eat up bullet holes, one moment you have a plane full of holes, next time you look, holes are gone! :confused:

.

[kyletiernan]

There are far more important problems than weathering. Related to skins is the bug that skins eat up bullet holes, one moment you have a plane full of holes, next time you look, holes are gone! :confused:

.



This early screenshot of CloD basically describes it in a nutshell.

http://download.softclub.ru/pub/il2pict/grab0101.jpg

unfinished big protruding anus lol

[CaptainDoggles]

Of course, but you do see it?Honestly? No. My attention is outside the aircraft, and 99% of the time, I'm trying to look around the wings, not at them. It's like driving your car. You can technically see the hood (what do brits call it? The bonnet?) but do you ever actually look at it while driving? Nope.

I can barely tell the difference between the skins that the OP posted and the current skins, because it's just not that important to me.

All you have to do is look at the latest crop of Call of Duty games to see what happens when you value graphics over gameplay.

[furbs]

Honestly? No. My attention is outside the aircraft, and 99% of the time, I'm trying to look around the wings, not at them. It's like driving your car. You can technically see the hood (what do brits call it? The bonnet?) but do you ever actually look at it while driving? Nope.

I can barely tell the difference between the skins that the OP posted and the current skins, because it's just not that important to me.

All you have to do is look at the latest crop of Call of Duty games to see what happens when you value graphics over gameplay.

Who said anything about valuing gameplay over graphics?

Here is just the difference between two types of weathering in CLOD, one looks better than the other.

Simples.

[Baron]

Why would you think that improved AI Commands in the Sequel won't work on the Channel map. Of course they will, along with the new GUI, Weather/clouds, FM, AI, new features, etc, etc, not to mention using the map SDK to improve the Channel Map.


Only small problem is that the sequel wont be in until late 2013 or 2014. Its 2012 now.

I know the release date hasn't be announced yet, but como`n, does anyone believe it will get here earlier.

Adding to that, the SDK, well, wasn't that suppose to be included in the original release, or there a bouts? (translation: who knows when)

[Slipstream2012]

The sequel wont be 2014, its not financial viable. If they left it that long they would all be living in cardboard boxes.

Spring to Summer 2013.
Place your bets!...

[ElAurens]

The sequel wont be 2014, its not financial viable. If they left it that long they would all be living in cardboard boxes.

Spring to Summer 2013.
Place your bets!...

I agree with you. I suspect that the team is much further along than anyone here thinks they are. I doubt that the guys in suits who dole out the money for the project would have kept the tap running if they were not.

[addman]

Well, I for one don't play the game anymore, the sandblasted weathering being one of many reasons why. No need to bash the game still, I'm glad a lot of people now seem happier than ever with the game, good for them.

[ElGringo]

It seems some people here would like to know how to put back the old weathering effet in the game. Could you please tell us?

[LoBiSoMeM]

Well, I for one don't play the game anymore, the sandblasted weathering being one of many reasons why. No need to bash the game still, I'm glad a lot of people now seem happier than ever with the game, good for them.

QFvJdmUXlxU

Some here sounds like a broken record...

[maxwellbest]

Isnt there some slider or such using the FMB for weathering?? Or am I on another tangent?

[baronWastelan]

It seems some people here would like to know how to put back the old weathering effet in the game. Could you please tell us?

bob_update03.SFS 5/18/2011 39,990 KB

You can use your favorite search engine to find it.

With current version of CloD 1.11.20362 all missions should work well except those with bf 109E-1 and Sunderland.

And when you fly past Mr. Boche in your properly painted Spitfire, tell him baronWastlan sends his regards. :grin:

[Feathered_IV]

Is it only the spitfires that are badly represented or is it all types? If its spits only it might be possible to fix in a mod.

[baronWastelan]

Yes, of all the flyables only Spitfires are afflicted with this skin disorder since June 2011.

[zapatista]

The sequel wont be 2014, its not financial viable.

Spring to Summer 2013.
Place your bets!...

i have been thinking the same lately, particularly after rereading a few of luthiers and B6's cryptic quotes from the last few months

my suspicion in a feb/march 2013 release for BoM

i'd wager a fiver on that, what odds can i get ? :)

another though is that some of their remarks could also indicate they will skip BoM completely and release it as an MMO instead, which i think would be a major mistake. first they need to prove their CoD/BoM product is working and recoup some of their good reputation and customer trust, and only then expand to he next project. the MMO has to many new variables in it, and potential issues that can get out of control, resulting in time loss, or under delivering on what they promise. that second blow would kill the whole project, a loss to us all as a result.

so my hope is, BoM early in 2013, and an announcement on the MMO project that will follow.

one very big downside is that i hear whispers from several directions that inclusion of "end user made content" and 3e party projects (planes, ground vehicles etc) have been significantly postponed, or even cancelled completely for CoD/BoM. that would spell trouble for us because it means their "user participation" that was planned for the SoW series has been axed (indicating a major change in the project, eg the MMO). the il2 community involvement is what made il2 the great series it became, locking them out in favour of some vague MMO project with lots of additional payware from 1c would not attract the same enthusiasm i fear, and luthiers lack of urgency in addressing flight model issues and weapons errors is a further indication of that their project priorities have changed significantly.

[tintifaxl]

F2P MMO is the hype now-a-days - so probably this is the next installment of Il-2. Let's see what 1C/MG will offer us in the future.

[kristorf]

Isnt there some slider or such using the FMB for weathering?? Or am I on another tangent?

There is a slider, but the lowest weathering layer on the Spit makes it look as though it's been sandblasted, especially on dark colours.

[Friendly_flyer]

the il2 community involvement is what made il2 the great series it became, locking them out in favour of some vague MMO project with lots of additional payware from 1c would not attract the same enthusiasm i fear

They'll need to play that very carefully. I'm fairly certain Luthier & Co knows as much, they are not idiots. I agree what made IL2 great was the community, and I think it will be possible to keep the community effort going with the right balance of payware and free content. It will require a very fine balancing act though.

[Chivas]

BlackSix mentioned the Sequel won't be in alpha until 2013, that said there are "rumors" swirling about IC, ROF, and Maddox Games, that doesn't sound good for Maddox Games empoyees.

[jojimbo]

This early screenshot of CloD basically describes it in a nutshell.

http://download.softclub.ru/pub/il2pict/grab0101.jpg

unfinished big protruding anus lol

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA1!!!!1111!!!! oh my f****** god that was funny as hell.
dunno what the OP is complaining about, us win8 users dont have the privilege of being able to diss the game as it dont work, wish it did, i would be ingame flicking switches in the cockpit and looking at the clouds :)

[baronWastelan]

"Il-2 Cliffs of Dover b. 2011 - d. 2012"

Add another to the long list of people prematurely predicting the death of COD. They've all been wrong for the last five years and I would suspect they will continue to be wrong as long as the game engine keeps evolving. It appears the Sequel will include the Channel Map which will benefit from all the feature improvements in the next release. It will be interesting to see what changes/additions are made in the developers plans with the pending announcement.

O, the arrogance. You are very tiresome -- good riddance.

[Falstaff]

Would the following users form an orderly queue at their local supermarket, specifically the delicatessen counter, where they may take a ticket and wait for an uncommonly large slice of rather gamey humble pie...

(in no particular order)

Freycinet, Chivas, Bongodriver, Ace of Aces, Carguy, David Hayward, Robtek.

Please, no pushing and shoving, there is plenty for all.

Failing that, today's special is 'Egg-on-you-face.' Available by the kilo.

(Yes, yes, yes. It was all the fault of the naysayers)

...The times they are a changing...

[David Hayward]

Why? I think Rise of Flight is great! It's not my fault you whiners killed CoD.

It will be interesting to see how long it tales you to starting whining about the new sim they are planning.

[Mysticpuma]

Would the following users form an orderly queue at their local supermarket, specifically the delicatessen counter, where they may take a ticket and wait for an uncommonly large slice of rather gamey humble pie...

(in no particular order)

Freycinet, Chivas, Bongodriver, Ace of Aces, Carguy, David Hayward, Robtek.

Please, no pushing and shoving, there is plenty for all.

Failing that, today's special is 'Egg-on-you-face.' Available by the kilo.

(Yes, yes, yes. It was all the fault of the naysayers)

...The times they are a changing...

I always thought to myself "The truth will out"

;)

[JG52Uther]

I hope everyone has registered at the new forum. Should be a good couple of years while we wait!

[furbs]

Why? I think Rise of Flight is great! It's not my fault you whiners killed CoD.

It will be interesting to see how long it tales you to starting whining about the new sim they are planning.


That is the most awesome post of the last 2 years, for all the wrong reasons.

Says so much about you and a few others here David.

[fruitbat]

I hope everyone has registered at the new forum. Should be a good couple of years while we wait!

loving your avatar!

[klem]

I always thought to myself "The truth will out"

;)

Who's Truth?

1C staggered along the cliff edge for over a year trying to make it work but no-one could know they would fail or give up. That could only ever be unsubstantiated speculation.

Those of us that followed 1C MG for the past ten years dared to hope it would come out right and now the morbid speculators will celebrate the failure and gloat.

It was always safe for the naysayers to say it will fail because if that turned out to be right they could blow there own trumpets and if they turned out to be wrong no-one would care and they would slip quietly away.

1C's and Olegs' vision fell short of success but at least they tried. What we are left with is RoF with WWII aircraft in stunning Dx9!! (that's irony for those that don't understand)

[David Hayward]

That is the most awesome post of the last 2 years, for all the wrong reasons.

Says so much about you and a few others here David.

Yes, it says that I've been reading your constant complaining for far too long.

[JG52Uther]

Don't worry about it guys, everyone can have a fresh start on the new forum and be best of friends.
Whats happened, has happened.It can't be changed.Now its time to look to the future.

[Pudfark]

@Fruitbat...
I think my avatar has been more "historically" accurate.
Though, Uther's is more a current statement...:)

Cheers Falstaff & Furbs...off to the new pub and the first rounds on me..:cool:

[fruitbat]

@Fruitbat...
I think my avatar has been more "historically" accurate.
Though, Uther's is more a current statement...:)



lol:grin:

[addman]

Don't worry about it guys, everyone can have a fresh start on the new forum and be best of friends.
Whats happened, has happened.It can't be changed.Now its time to look to the future.

My thoughts exactly and lol! your avatar sums up what I'm feeling right now perfectly!:grin:

[Mysticpuma]

"and now the morbid speculators will celebrate the failure and gloat."

There is no celebration? Why would you think that? The only point of interest is that many of us dared to raise our heads above the parapet and actually see what was happening (and post our honest opinions), rather than bury our heads in the sand, rub our Lucky Rabbit's foot, polish our horse-shoe, not walk under a ladder and hope for the best.

Along the whole development process we have been deceived repeatedly, features have been removed (thus giving us much improved performance (they said)) and never fixed or returned and the communication from the team has been, well to sum it up perfectly...PATHETIC!

At-least now we will have a passionate development team under the leadership of Jason, who does know what customer service is and does take time to issue regular updates and answer reasonable questions.

So there is no gloating, just relief that at-last the 'gloaters/trolls/nay-sayer' can at-least let others look over the parapet and see the mess for themselves at-last.

All along we knew CloD was naked, it seems others could actually see "The Emperor's new clothes", now it appears they have had their eyes unblinkered.

MP

[David Hayward]

"and now the morbid speculators will celebrate the failure and gloat."

There is no celebration? Why would you think that? The only point of interest is that many of us dared to raise our heads above the parapet and actually see what was happening (and post our honest opinions), rather than bury our heads in the sand, rub our Lucky Rabbit's foot, polish our horse-shoe, not walk under a ladder and hope for the best.

Along the whole development process we have been deceived repeatedly, features have been removed (thus giving us much improved performance (they said)) and never fixed or returned and the communication from the team has been, well to sum it up perfectly...PATHETIC!

At-least now we will have a passionate development team under the leadership of Jason, who does know what customer service is and does take time to issue regular updates and answer reasonable questions.

So there is no gloating, just relief that at-last the 'gloaters/trolls/nay-sayer' can at-least let others look over the parapet and see the mess for themselves at-last.

All along we knew CloD was naked, it seems others could actually see "The Emperor's new clothes", now it appears they have had their eyes unblinkered.

MP

How often do you visit the RoF message board?

[David Hayward]

For those of you expecting sunshine and lollipops now that Jasion is taking over, get ready to be disappointed. We just recently got screenshots of the Felixstowe. It was the first news in almost a year. We haven't heard anything about the Roland since it was announced. (btw, I don't have a problem with that) Jason isn't going to be holding your hands with weekly announcements. It's going to be almost exactly what you got from Luthier.

[furbs]

Yes, it says that I've been reading your constant complaining for far too long.

Glad i had your attention.

[furbs]

For those of you expecting sunshine and lollipops now that Jasion is taking over, get ready to be disappointed. We just recently got screenshots of the Felixstowe. It was the first news in almost a year. We haven't heard anything about the Roland since it was announced. (btw, I don't have a problem with that) Jason isn't going to be holding your hands with weekly announcements. It's going to be almost exactly what you got from Luthier.

What utter cock...

November 22-28th

http://riseofflight.com/Blogs/post/2012/11/22/Progress-on-the-Channel-Map-Halberstadt-DII-and-HUGE-Sale!-November-22-28th.aspx

October 29th

http://riseofflight.com/Blogs/post/2012/10/29/Pre-order-Halberstadt-DII-and-Weapon-Mods-Sale!.aspx

September 16th

http://riseofflight.com/Blogs/post/2012/09/16/Version-1028.aspx

September 5th

http://riseofflight.com/Blogs/post/2012/09/05/Brandenburg-W12-Beta-video.aspx

All from here....

http://riseofflight.com/Blogs/default.aspx

About as far from the updates we got here as you could get.

it goes on and on, if your going to lie David, at least try a bit.

[d.burnette]

Jason has sure been pretty active, answering a lot of questions on the new forum today.
Good to see.

[David Hayward]

What utter cock...

November 22-28th

http://riseofflight.com/Blogs/post/2012/11/22/Progress-on-the-Channel-Map-Halberstadt-DII-and-HUGE-Sale!-November-22-28th.aspx

October 29th

http://riseofflight.com/Blogs/post/2012/10/29/Pre-order-Halberstadt-DII-and-Weapon-Mods-Sale!.aspx

September 16th

http://riseofflight.com/Blogs/post/2012/09/16/Version-1028.aspx

September 5th

http://riseofflight.com/Blogs/post/2012/09/05/Brandenburg-W12-Beta-video.aspx

All from here....

http://riseofflight.com/Blogs/default.aspx

About as far from the updates we got here as you could get.

it goes on and on, if your going to lie David, at least try a bit.

You didn't contradict a single thing I said. There is nothing in any of those updates about the Felixstowe or the Roland. We get RoF updates when there is news, which is the same as we got for CoD.

[furbs]

Yep and there was news about 2 times a month, they were true, meaningful, full of detail and no banjo music.

Lightyears difference from COD.

[SlipBall]

Yep and there was news about 2 times a month, they were true, meaningful, full of detail and no banjo music.

Lightyears difference from COD.


You have faith in them which is good, unless a new engine is built I don't have much.:)

[JG52Uther]

Will the whiners now become the fanboys, and the fanboys the whiners? Interesting times for sure.I look forward to the same old same old on the new forum, but with the viewpoints switched around.
Good times ahead!
The new devs are just going to love some of you guys! :grin:

[SlipBall]

^
lol:-P

[ATAG_Bliss]

You have faith in them which is good, unless a new engine is built I don't have much.:)

Pretty much in a nutshell. The ROF engine doesn't even have a trench. We are talking about a WWI game.

But that's ok, for $200 you can outfit your Stuka and for an additional $20 you might even be able to buy the target you can bomb with it. Granted this only works if that's the only object in a mission. Get too many and the game just crashes. Sounds like the perfect solution to a WWII sim to me!

[David Hayward]

Yep and there was news about 2 times a month, they were true, meaningful, full of detail and no banjo music.

Lightyears difference from COD.

There are 6 updates over a 6 month span. That is 1 per month. 1 update per month in here was enough to maintain a constant stream of "we are doomed the communication sucks i want my mommy" posts.

[David Hayward]

The new devs are just going to love some of you guys! :grin:

Jason will not put up with the crap that was allowed in here.

[JG52Uther]

Yes I read the rules.Insta ban.I look forward to it.

[David Hayward]

Remember all the whining about CoD not being DX11. BoS is DX9. Release the whinebots!!!

[Force10]

At the very least...Jason doesn't subscribe to the "Tell them what they want to hear...even if it's not true" policy that Luthier was keen on. Jason is much better at managing expectations and you believe him because he has given you no reason to think otherwise.

[d.burnette]

At the very least...Jason doesn't subscribe to the "Tell them what they want to hear...even if it's not true" policy that Luthier was keen on. Jason is much better at managing expectations and you believe him because he has given you no reason to think otherwise.

I am very impressed just seeing his communication and answering questions in the new forum today.

[furbs]

There are 6 updates over a 6 month span. That is 1 per month. 1 update per month in here was enough to maintain a constant stream of "we are doomed the communication sucks i want my mommy" posts.


Once a mo....


You know what...feck it.

[Cranky]

"Il-2 Cliffs of Dover b. 2011 - d. 2012"

Add another to the long list of people prematurely predicting the death of COD. They've all been wrong for the last five years and I would suspect they will continue to be wrong as long as the game engine keeps evolving. It appears the Sequel will include the Channel Map which will benefit from all the feature improvements in the next release. It will be interesting to see what changes/additions are made in the developers plans with the pending announcement.

Hey Chivas, now that CLOD is dead, don't you feel just a little bit stupid with all your analogies and speculations, I mean you were so off the mark your shots were ending up behind you.

[Cranky]

"and now the morbid speculators will celebrate the failure and gloat."

There is no celebration? Why would you think that? The only point of interest is that many of us dared to raise our heads above the parapet and actually see what was happening (and post our honest opinions), rather than bury our heads in the sand, rub our Lucky Rabbit's foot, polish our horse-shoe, not walk under a ladder and hope for the best.

Along the whole development process we have been deceived repeatedly, features have been removed (thus giving us much improved performance (they said)) and never fixed or returned and the communication from the team has been, well to sum it up perfectly...PATHETIC!

At-least now we will have a passionate development team under the leadership of Jason, who does know what customer service is and does take time to issue regular updates and answer reasonable questions.

So there is no gloating, just relief that at-last the 'gloaters/trolls/nay-sayer' can at-least let others look over the parapet and see the mess for themselves at-last.

All along we knew CloD was naked, it seems others could actually see "The Emperor's new clothes", now it appears they have had their eyes unblinkered.

MP


Great post Mystic.


Tree S!

[David Hayward]

Once a mo....


You know what...feck it.

Once a month. We had people in here pissing themselves when we didn't get an update every week..

[klem]

"and now the morbid speculators will celebrate the failure and gloat."

There is no celebration? Why would you think that? The only point of interest is that many of us dared to raise our heads above the parapet and actually see what was happening (and post our honest opinions), rather than bury our heads in the sand, rub our Lucky Rabbit's foot, polish our horse-shoe, not walk under a ladder and hope for the best.

Along the whole development process we have been deceived repeatedly, features have been removed (thus giving us much improved performance (they said)) and never fixed or returned and the communication from the team has been, well to sum it up perfectly...PATHETIC!

At-least now we will have a passionate development team under the leadership of Jason, who does know what customer service is and does take time to issue regular updates and answer reasonable questions.

So there is no gloating, just relief that at-last the 'gloaters/trolls/nay-sayer' can at-least let others look over the parapet and see the mess for themselves at-last.

All along we knew CloD was naked, it seems others could actually see "The Emperor's new clothes", now it appears they have had their eyes unblinkered.

MP

MP, first let me say I hope and expect 777 will live up to its ratings in here but I am worried because RoF doesn't impress me and BoS will use the same engine. All of our Squad went there after CoD was so badly released. None of them fly there anymore AFAIK.

As for burying my head in the sand or resorting to lucky talismans, I didn't. I simply listened to what the devs told us and I chose to believe them. We all had that choice and without really knowing what was going on behind the scenes no-one here could claim to "know". I still think that for at least a year, perhaps longer, they were trying. If BlackSix or a 1C guy wants to come here and tell us they were lying all along then that's fine and I would have a better insight into them and what they may be taking to the 777 party.

Having been involved at various levels in close-downs, takeovers and the like over the years I'm quite sure they weren't telling us the whole truth over the past few months while they developed their new business plan (who would?) but I believe they were trying hard for much of the time until then. The sudden rush to release the last Steam patch while failing to pause and deliver patch promises was a public signal that things were now badly wrong. But my objection has been to the long term, Day one, naysayers who seemed determined to see CoD fail or boost their own 'I told you so' egos.
EDIT: I missed out the part about celebrations. You only have to read the glee between the lines of some of the 'I told you so' posts.

Relief? Curiously, Yes. Whilst I objected to the long term naysayers I had recently come to believe (after the patch disappointment) that CoD and the intended BoM was beyond the capability of what remained of the 1C SoW team. So I was glad to hear that there is to be a new collaboration.... until I realised it is the RoF engine based in Dx9. Time will tell.

[Falstaff]

It isn't the game or render engine that's at stake at this stage...it's the comms or confidence engine....some straight-talking and realistic managing of expectations is what's needed.

Anyone with two functioning eyeballs could do see Clod was doomed from release (and before). Perhaps it was desperation that made some groups try and talk it into something it wasn't, hence the personal vitriol expended (and countered, thankfully).

It is the most childish of fictions to pretend that a few forum critics doomed this thing. Melodramatic claptrap. It just wasn't very good, and the management made things even worse than they needed to be.