I dont care what the Whiners say...

[ElAurens]

I'm enjoying the sim again.

And I WILL pre purchase the new offering as soon as it is available for sale.

It's good to be flying WW2 birds again. And I must say that CloD does the feeling of flight better than any other prop sim I've messed with, including RoF.

[Ze-Jamz]

Amen..

[CaptainDoggles]

I like how if you're dissatisfied with a buggy release that took 18 months to reach adequacy, where aircraft can fly with no wings and developer communication is basically nonexistent, you are dismissed as a whiner.

[TUSA/TX-Gunslinger]

Last few days I've been waiting for someone to post something I could relate too 100%.

Thanks El for providing me that opportunity. It seems to me from conversations with old Il2 squadmates on facebook, email and "old dusty forums" that a lot of folks are "coming back" to fly. While the software still has a bit of rough edges, it's more than good enough to fill servers with old pilots, and perhaps new ones too.

A quick, non-scientific check of CoD activity within the realm of Combat Flight Sims looks like this (online statistics checked both in RoF and Clod):

116 pilots on-line in CoD servers
89 pilots on-line in RoF servers

SIMHQ Forum count (active viewers logged in)

DCS 59
CoD 53
RoF 19

1C CoD forums

31 Members
60 "Guests"

I find the 60 Guests to be interesting. Possibly a nice statistic for those that wonder what percent of the viewing public on these forums actually post, or a surge in new people checking out CoD? I don't know.

Anyway, just built a new system - and am really, really enjoying this. For the first time in over a year I'm having a lot of fun with all my flight sims - but can't stop playing CoD to enjoy the rest :)

After benchmarking CoD, RoF and DCS P-51D on my new system - I found that CoD, by a large margin, utilized more of my 6 cores than any of the other titles. I was a bit worried that the extra money spent wouldn't be worth it - but it is in CoD it was.

S!

Gunny

[ems9]

Amen..

+1

Amen!

Anyways need a new system to play this like I want =)

[Hood]

Last few days I've been waiting for someone to post something I could relate too 100%.

Thanks El for providing me that opportunity. It seems to me from conversations with old Il2 squadmates on facebook, email and "old dusty forums" that a lot of folks are "coming back" to fly. While the software still has a bit of rough edges, it's more than good enough to fill servers with old pilots, and perhaps new ones too.

A quick, non-scientific check of CoD activity within the realm of Combat Flight Sims looks like this (online statistics checked both in RoF and Clod):

116 pilots on-line in CoD servers
89 pilots on-line in RoF servers

SIMHQ Forum count (active viewers logged in)

DCS 59
CoD 53
RoF 19

1C CoD forums

31 Members
60 "Guests"

I find the 60 Guests to be interesting. Possibly a nice statistic for those that wonder what percent of the viewing public on these forums actually post, or a surge in new people checking out CoD? I don't know.

Anyway, just built a new system - and am really, really enjoying this. For the first time in over a year I'm having a lot of fun with all my flight sims - but can't stop playing CoD to enjoy the rest :)

After benchmarking CoD, RoF and DCS P-51D on my new system - I found that CoD, by a large margin, utilized more of my 6 cores than any of the other titles. I was a bit worried that the extra money spent wouldn't be worth it - but it is in CoD it was.

S!

Gunny

And how many were playing IL2? More than both together I'd bet.

El, what a dumb thread; like who cares what you'll do - it won't influence anyone.

We're all flight sim fans here and if it fulfills its potential we'll all be happy.

Hood

[nearmiss]

And how many were playing IL2? More than both together I'd bet.

El, what a dumb thread; like who cares what you'll do - it won't influence anyone.

We're all flight sim fans here and if it fulfills its potential we'll all be happy.

Hood

Forums are for discussions. Posters are not expected to be world class journalists or experts of simulation air combat.

Members share and discuss things that relate to their interest in COD.

So, yeah... straight talk for you. There are a lot of well educated and competent people that enjoy this forums. Your high minded rhetoric can definitely be dealt with by many here. SO, it isn't a best course of chit chat to defame anyone.

In fact, we have some members than can create so much verbal heat for you, that you will feel it and see it in your very red face. You can look in a mirror and see it. :-P

[lokitexas]

If some people have very low expectations, limited-to-no gameplay with other sims, dont mind getting broken products, a whole mess of BS posts from devs, then yeah, you can definitly enjoy this game.

Just a note.... if "whiners" dont bother you so much, why do you feel the need to post, that they dont? Obviously it bothers you that that others find the end product far from good. Dont get all sour grapes.

[LoBiSoMeM]

The sim now is fun even in MP, with lots of pilots online and big maps.

We have some bugs, need work in engine aiming the next title, but now the sim engine looks like devs can solve all minor graphics bugs, deliver more and stable FPS, and can work in important missing features, like better weather system.

We can have good experiences in CloD until the next title now. And for sure we'll have a more finished product soon.

I'll buy the next title. My faith in this team is restored.

Bye! :-P

PS: Now 1C can do some marketing work to promote CloD again. We need new reviews of this sim NOW! It's another thing! I'm glad to be part of "beta testers" team of this product, and i'll be proud of BoM, for sure!

[Hood]

Forums are for discussions. Posters are not expected to be world class journalists or experts of simulation air combat.

Members share and discuss things that relate to their interest in COD.

So, yeah... straight talk for you. There are a lot of well educated and competent people that enjoy this forums. Your high minded rhetoric can definitely be dealt with by many here. SO, it isn't a best course of chit chat to defame anyone.

In fact, we have some members than can create so much verbal heat for you, that you will feel it and see it in your very red face. You can look in a mirror and see it. :-P

Defame? Who's defaming anyone? If a thread is dumb then it's dumb regardless of who started it. The original post was provocative and got a response.

Verbal heat? They'd have to shout pretty loud. And "leaning" from a moderator doesn't impress me I'm afraid. Especially not when it's a threat dressed up as a "polite" warning.

Hood

ps. And for the record I will also be buying BoM on release. Because I'm a fan.

pps. I'm out of this thread as there is nothing more to say, but I won't be cowed by mods who take sides rather than being impartial.

[MadTommy]

Enjoying the sim for sure.

Sequel: Pre-purchase, not a chance. Buy it on release day, no way. Buy it if it gets half decent reviews, very likley.

(if it is some sort of MMO with monthly payment system... i won't touch it, not that i expect it to be so)

[Chivas]

I like how if you're dissatisfied with a buggy release that took 18 months to reach adequacy, where aircraft can fly with no wings and developer communication is basically nonexistent, you are dismissed as a whiner.

People never got over the fact the sim was released unfinished. Of course its going to be buggy, what else could it be, until its finished. Unfortunately there are still some issues that hopefully the Sequel will address. That said the improvements should foster the building of more realistic BOB missions, that should be very playable for most users, while we wait for more feature improvements in the Sequel. I'm hoping they release the map SDK before the Sequel so users can start improving the Channel map sooner.

There is still a great need for constructive criticism that the developers can use to change, add, or adjust features in the Sequel. Constant unrelenting whining serves no positive purpose. Even some of the worst whiners, conspiracy theorists, still want the sim to succeed, you have to wonder what the h8ll they're thinking.

[Novotny]

Just had a marvellous time online at one of the ATAG servers. Very enjoyable indeed.

[Rjel]

I think the last patch fixed up the sim ok. Not great by any means but acceptable. Like many others have said I've gotten my monies worth. Then again if I'd paid $50 to get beaten with a stick every day for the last year and better I'd have gotten my monies worth too so that really isn't saying much. Value, like beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

Another thread mentioned perhaps it was time to lay off the development team and move on. Maybe it's time to let go of the whiners theme so many here hold close to their hearts. The "community" is still obviously divided maybe never to be whole again. Nearmiss' less than subtle threats of retaliation for opposing viewpoints help no one.

[icarus]

The name of this thread is a troll title meant to stir up arguing and should be locked.

[ElAurens]

No, it isn't.

If I wanted to troll, I'd pick a subject that would be far more incendiary, and believe me, I could do that.

So, the fact that after months of not flying the sim because it was indeed not worth it to me, and now it is, and I give my opinion on that, makes it a troll thread?

Have any of you wondered why the old players mostly never ever come here?

Look in the mirror.

Sheesh, sometimes I wonder why I bother coming here myself.

[icarus]

No, it isn't.

If I wanted to troll, I'd pick a subject that would be far more incendiary, and believe me, I could do that.

So, the fact that after months of not flying the sim because it was indeed not worth it to me, and now it is, and I give my opinion on that, makes it a troll thread?

Have any of you wondered why the old players mostly never ever come here?

Look in the mirror.

Sheesh, sometimes I wonder why I bother coming here myself.

Yes it is unless calling people whiners is a compliment.:rolleyes:

It is used to provoke arguing with those who criticize the sim and you are perfectly aware of that.

[ElAurens]

If you feel that I posted this just to provoke anyone, including yourself, then you are in error.

But, if you want to be provoked, and it sounds to me like you do, then, let me help you out a bit more.

Stuff it.

No one appointed you to be the moral compass of this forum, if you have a beef report the thread.

I really don't care.

It's people like you that are killing this genre.

Enjoy your moment of glory.

[icarus]

If you feel that I posted this just to provoke anyone, including yourself, then you are in error.

But, if you want to be provoked, and it sounds to me like you do, then, let me help you out a bit more.

Stuff it.

No one appointed you to be the moral compass of this forum, if you have a beef report the thread.

I really don't care.

It's people like you that are killing this genre.

Enjoy your moment of glory.
:rolleyes:

[arthursmedley]

I've been firing up CLoD a lot more recently. It's managed to cut into my RoF time too. It IS fun, especially online at the moment. Looking forward to the sequel no end now.

[5./JG27.Farber]

And how many were playing IL2? More than both together I'd bet.

El, what a dumb thread; like who cares what you'll do - it won't influence anyone.

We're all flight sim fans here and if it fulfills its potential we'll all be happy.

Hood

Defame? Who's defaming anyone? If a thread is dumb then it's dumb regardless of who started it. The original post was provocative and got a response.

Verbal heat? They'd have to shout pretty loud. And "leaning" from a moderator doesn't impress me I'm afraid. Especially not when it's a threat dressed up as a "polite" warning.

Hood

ps. And for the record I will also be buying BoM on release. Because I'm a fan.

pps. I'm out of this thread as there is nothing more to say, but I won't be cowed by mods who take sides rather than being impartial.

"Defaming" is not a word. I think you mean "Defamation".

Pretty rich from a guy that names himself after a Battle cruiser that was comisioned in 1916 and was out of date when it was sank by the German Battleship Bismarck... Just becasue some ones being positive about the game doesnt mean you have to take a dump on them.... - the Steam patch is out remember!

Lighten up Eeyore! :-P

Regards,
Farber.

[Ribbs67]

I'm enjoying the sim again.

And I WILL pre purchase the new offering as soon as it is available for sale.

It's good to be flying WW2 birds again. And I must say that CloD does the feeling of flight better than any other prop sim I've messed with, including RoF.


Blitz I'm glad to see this post, after yesterday on TS... :grin: Admitting that you are finally enjoying the Sim now is nothing to be ashamed of... ;) (Regardless of what other people say)I don't post in the forums much, but im in here almost everyday, and have seen you be very critical of the games development .(nothing wrong with that).. But it does go to show that the game has changed some peoples mind about CLOD and that is never a Bad thing. S!

Blue Skys!

[ATAG_Old_Canuck]

I wonder if Oleg still reads some of this stuff for comic value. Hey Oleg, do you miss us? As you can see not much has changed.

[CWMV]

Still useless offline.
*sigh-fires up IL2 DBW*

[Ze-Jamz]

You guys are unbelievable..has this forum degraded that much?

You can't actually see the OP is being sincere?..

Fair play El...glad your enjoying the Sim mate, loads to do that will be addressed later but its certainly very playable

[HamishUK]

Il2 was even more volatile....Luftwhiners.....BlitzPigs vs Eurotrolls....Siggy....view through the FW190 cockpit.

Least then we had a sim to be proud of. I am still somewhat dumbfounded as to how we ended up with something that promised so much and delivered so little. Il2 follow up should have been nothing short of magnificent.

[1.JaVA_Sharp]

Il2 was even more volatile....Luftwhiners.....BlitzPigs vs Eurotrolls....Siggy....view through the FW190 cockpit.

Least then we had a sim to be proud of. I am still somewhat dumbfounded as to how we ended up with something that promised so much and delivered so little. Il2 follow up should have been nothing short of magnificent.


This!!!

[LoBiSoMeM]

I’ll reinstall CloD and give it a second chance. How does that Hurricane fly, I've always loved the Hurricane.

lmsTFL0aGBI

Turns great in low speeds, can outclimb 109s in agressive maneuvers, stable gun platform... It's nice to fly! :grin:

[5./JG27.Farber]

Ah, my shadow has turned up. Defaming is a word - look it up. Sadly my name isn't taken from the cruiser. Guess where it comes from and I'll send you enough euros for a beer.

I'm positive about the end result and am having a blast offline. When I'm happy with how I use CEM I'll be online too. Sure there are major problems still but it's a lot better.

The OP may have been sincere but it's still a dumb thread. And I've now seen his retort. I didn't realise I had helped kill this genre - o woe is me.

I'm off to plot the downfall of CLOD, BOM, 1C and the entire air sim genre. I won't be returning to this thread now.

Hood

ps. Farber, the offer is a sincere one.

I really thought it was Hood after the battleship cos you go round broad siding everyone!

Im glad your actually enjoying the game.

A wager! A Wager! A Wager!

[Freycinet]

If some people have very low expectations, limited-to-no gameplay with other sims, dont mind getting broken products, a whole mess of BS posts from devs, then yeah, you can definitly enjoy this game.
.

Sorry, just out of curiosity: if that is your opinion why are you even in this forum? If I felt like that about CoD I'd never bother to join a forum about the sim. So I'm honestly just curoius.

[CaptainDoggles]

So, this thread has established that if you aren't 100% satisfied with CLOD and aren't willing to lie and give it 5/5 reviews and aren't going to pre-order the sequel, then

a) You are a whiner

b) You are killing the entire combat flight sim genre.

:rolleyes:

[Falstaff]

Freycinet said:

Sorry, just out of curiosity: if that is your opinion why are you even in this forum? If I felt like that about CoD I'd never bother to join a forum about the sim. So I'm honestly just curoius.

Probably for the same reason I still dip in occasionally. That is to say, because our interest does not prevent us from making clear-headed judgements about the game and its release, and history. And despite all that, we hold an interest. But no, we probably wont join in with the euphoria of a working patch and collective amnesia and gratefulness that has suddenly erupted after, what, a year and a half?

Also, there is an element of irony in your post, in that you have often posted in other forums which are ear-marked as expressly for criticising CLOd, or at least discussing it rationally. That forum (I am treading carefully, but you know which one I mean) is one where you stated you would not post. So, maybe best to de-polish the black pot and kettle?

Now that the mods have recently come out and explicitly stated they would promote only positive reaction (no surprise, this has been the case all along, at least now they're upfront about it...) an dby implication, crack down on critcism...people seem to think they have carte blanchs to attack the 'whiners'. And maybe, here in this forum, they do. But I'm sure a few of us will occasionally reply until it's our turn to be booted. Which will also happen, as it has been steadily happening for some time.

Basically, a semi-successful patch to get the game to a near working status (albeit with no offline game to speak of, or dynamic weather/campaign etc) after a year and a half...and the balloons and bunting are out. Grateful for small mercies, perhaps.

Perhaps if there was a half-decent game modelling the same era, this place would have emptied a long time ago. It depends on what you expect, and what you will settle for, I guess.

And note, I've managed to steer clear of your own *very* colourful history with this game. It might be wise not to play the elder statesman - some of us do have memories.

[ElAurens]

So, this thread has established that if you aren't 100% satisfied with CLOD and aren't willing to lie and give it 5/5 reviews and aren't going to pre-order the sequel, then

a) You are a whiner

b) You are killing the entire combat flight sim genre.

:rolleyes:

Doggles, i have never given this sim a 5/5 review, and still wouldn't. But now it is enjoyable enough for me to come back in and actually have fun with it, which I was not doing before.

And yes, I do think that the angry mob nature of handling issues, and the total lack of the most basic politeness when talking about issues is one of the reasons why the genre is fading away. The folks gazing bleary eyed at their monitors while typing millions of lines of code are human beings. They are not faceless gears in a monolithic money machine. They have feelings, and fears, and by and large work pretty damned hard and I totally understand why they would not bother to come here and be constantly bashed by a bunch of middle aged guys acting like 13 year old playground bullies.

If I had the money it took to back a virtual experience project like a computer game, I tell you I'd think long and hard before I chose a combat flight sim as the project of choice, even though I love the genre, and military aviation generally.

Why put up with a number of people who don't play the sim, who have repeatedly expressed that they don't like it, won't buy anything else from that team, and continue to bash a dead horse?

[bongodriver]

So, this thread has established that if you aren't 100% satisfied with CLOD and aren't willing to lie and give it 5/5 reviews and aren't going to pre-order the sequel, then

a) You are a whiner

b) You are killing the entire combat flight sim genre.

:rolleyes:

No.

a) it establishes that nobody is 100% satisfied but only the whiners will make everybody know just how much it has ruined their lives driving them to make up lies about the true meaning of threads which cast even the slightest positive light on it.

b) the genre will almost certainly die if COD dies....care to name any other WWII dedicated flight sims being produced?.....ROF and DCS won't be filling that gap for a very long time, if ever, and all we are left with is the venerable old IL2 which does not generate any revenue for 1C and won't go on forever.

[addman]

I don't get people that are STILL hanging around trash-talking the game. Especially at this point when the last patch has been released. It's just weird and a bit creepy honestly. I've stopped playing the game since quite a while now and probably won't be back until BoM is warming up for release but that doesn't mean I spend a considerable amount of time beating a horse carcass. It's kind of disturbing that people are spending so much time on an internet forum just dissing a GAME.

[JtD]

I think that if you whine, you're a whiner. No connection to critical judgment, which is a good trait.

I think the last patch brought CloD up to a 1.0 version. Like this, plus some offline contents, and it would have been a good release 18 months ago. I'm sure looking forward to the sequel, hope it's going to be another improvement, not just added contents, but of course also added contents.

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[Freycinet]

And note, I've managed to steer clear of your own *very* colourful history with this game. It might be wise not to play the elder statesman - some of us do have memories.

As if I have something to hide?! Heh...

What I'd go quietly about would be spending countless hours in forums slagging a sim I detested (tho weirdly never having tried it). Happily I'm not in such a pathetic situation...

[MB_Avro_UK]

This sim has matured and grown to be the best. And I always expected this.

The usual critics have nothing left to say. But they whine. They have been proved wrong but can't admit it to themselves or anyone else.

Some people live to criticise, others live for life.

Best Regards,
MB_Avro.

[Falstaff]

It's all a bit drama-queeny to suggest the whole genre hinges on the continued support of a flawed franchise, never mind one game. And I dont think it is true. Or if it *is* true then perhaps the genre deserves to wither, if this is its best hope ...

No, this merely tells you the levels of personal dependency involved. Once you are weened-off the need to make this game the be-all and end-all, then you can make more rational.

Of course there will be future flight-sim games, in this genre and others. There is absolutely nothign wrong with supporting this one to the rafters, if you think that's worthwhile, but it's daft to say there wont be any others if this one fails. Not least least because this one (or this version) already *has* failed in the eyes of many. A new patch and a bit of retrospective hurrah-ing isn't going to change that.

And how can anyone know there wont be others in future? It's a plain silly assumption.

[Novotny]

Well, If I were in a position to develop a game - and let's not forget, developing a game is a business - I would be looking at this genre as a bloody minefield.

Let's imagine we have X million pounds to invest, requiring a return of Y million.

What do people play? How can I make X investment make Y return?

Let's say I quite like the flight sim genre. I ask my financial expert to garner some figures, and he comes back to tell me that at any one time, there are up to 200 people world-wide playing Cliffs of Dover online.

Oh, I say. What about other sorts of games?

Well, today's peak figures on Steam say that 130,000 people were playing DoTA, 75,000 were playing Team Fortress 2, and 50,000 were playing Borderlands 2. At once. Peak figures.

Ok. And 200 were playing Cliffs, is that right?

Well, we think so. The figures don't actually go that low.

Ok. I think I'll take my x Million of investment and maybe not put it into a WW2 flight sim.

There's the hard facts, you twats. You are in a minority that is perfectly willing to turn anyone interested away from your hobby if it gains you momentary e-points.

[JG52Krupi]

Well, If I were in a position to develop a game - and let's not forget, developing a game is a business - I would be looking at this genre as a bloody minefield.

Let's imagine we have X million pounds to invest, requiring a return of Y million.

What do people play? How can I make X investment make Y return?

Let's say I quite like the flight sim genre. I ask my financial expert to garner some figures, and he comes back to tell me that at any one time, there are up to 200 people world-wide playing Cliffs of Dover online.

Oh, I say. What about other sorts of games?

Well, today's peak figures on Steam say that 130,000 people were playing DoTA, 75,000 were playing Team Fortress 2, and 50,000 were playing Borderlands 2. At once. Peak figures.

Ok. And 200 were playing Cliffs, is that right?

Well, we think so. The figures don't actually go that low.

Ok. I think I'll take my x Million of investment and maybe not put it into a WW2 flight sim.

That's the hard ******* facts, you twats. You are in a minority that is perfectly willing to **** up your hobby if it gains you e-points.

So true :(

Personally I support all the flight sims.

[raaaid]

in the old times it was nancy boy now its whinner

[Novotny]

I PREFER TO LOVE WITHOUT BEING LOVED THA/T/ NOT LOVE AT ALL.

It's 'than'.

And you totally screwed up the quote anyway. Should read:

'Tis better to have loved and lost
Than never to have loved at all.

[McHilt]

I'm a future customer and I rely on forum-posts and reviews by people who actually fly this sim to decide whether I'll play it or not (if I get my own business on track in the first place). I'm in the positive camp so I'm happy to read ElAurens' initial post.

Kind of hard to read the entire thread though because of all the flaming wars going on as usually...

[Freycinet]

It's all a bit drama-queeny to suggest the whole genre hinges on the continued support of a flawed franchise, never mind one game. And I dont think it is true. Or if it *is* true then perhaps the genre deserves to wither, if this is its best hope ...

No, this merely tells you the levels of personal dependency involved. Once you are weened-off the need to make this game the be-all and end-all, then you can make more rational.
.

The only weird personal dependency in here is the rather disturbing dependency of some to blabber on and on and on about how bad this sim is and how deranged people must be to like it. Those of us who enjoy CoD, warts and all, have a positive reason to be here and discuss the sim and talk about the latest AMAZING on-line battle we've flown in on ATAG. The others... - Well maybe they've run out of flies they can pull the wings off...

[Gabelschwanz Teufel]

I don't honestly think that it that at all Frey. It's the way the supporters seem unable to believe that anyone couldn't like it. That anyone couldn't see the great potential. That anyone couldn't see that it's great online. That anyone couldn't admit that it's the greatest WWII sim ever in the history of the universe. That anyone could admit that it's less than perfect in it's representation of the aircraft of both sides. Is it overdone? Of course it is. But, it's overdone ON BOTH SIDES.

[carguy_]

There's the hard facts, you twats. You are in a minority that is perfectly willing to turn anyone interested away from your hobby if it gains you momentary e-points.
Too true to even be funny :mad:

[Ze-Jamz]

Too true to even be funny :mad:

Was it supposed to be funny?

Completely true though yet I'm not expecting anyone to give a ****! :confused:

[bongodriver]

Was it supposed to be funny?

Completely true though yet I'm not expecting anyone to give a ****! :confused:

Why?....the only ones that don't give a ****! are the minority being refered to, the rest of us are obviously concerned which is why we speak out against those idiots.

[Ze-Jamz]

Why?....the only ones that don't give a ****! are the minority being refered to, the rest of us are obviously concerned which is why we speak out against those idiots.

Which is why I'm referring to then not giving a ****! and will continue to drive people away...

Understood?