Could anyone assist me with a couple of skins please? 1x Hurri and 1x 109

[Mysticpuma]

Hello there chaps!

I will be going to interview Wing Commander John Francis Durham Elkington (aka Tim Elkington) early in November.

I will be shooting footage on two cameras and hope to discuss his incident after he joined No. 1 Squadron RAF at RAF Northolt.
He flew Hurricanes with No. 1 Sqn during the Battle of Britain but was shot down and wounded on 16 August 1940.
Some reports list this as being shot down by Wick, but others don't confirm this?

For the re-enactment of the scenario though I think Wick's 109 would suffice?

Either way I have the details of Tim Elkington's aircraft and serial number these are/were:

Lettering

JX-O

Serial: P3173

Would anybody be able to create (withing the limitations of the CloD skinning system) a couple of skins for me please?

I will be hoping to cover the incident 'in-depth' from Tim's perspective and then also cover a few details about daily life, his recovery after being shot down and also his time as part of "Operation Benedict" the lend-lease to Murmansk.

I will of-course be sharing this once it is edited ;)

Thanks for any help, cheers, MP

[JG26_EZ]

The skins may already be done for you.. You just gotta know where to look ;)

Some nice ones for the requested Bf109 flown by Helmut Wick, 2 to choose from..

http://www.asisbiz.com/il2/Bf-109E/Bf-109E-JG2.3-(Y2+)-Wick.html

I don't go searching for (or skin) allied skins very often... maybe someone will be able to help you out with that one.. Unfortunately, I could not find it at asisbiz.

[No1 Cheese]

Kristorfs your man,ill give him the heads up :)

Cheese

[JG26_EZ]

I found another of Helmut's Bf109s...

http://www.asisbiz.com/il2/Bf-109E/Bf-109E-JG2-((+-Wick.html

[kristorf]

Not been on here for an age mate and not flown the game for months, but if you can send me info on JX-O (A/B scheme, underside colour, roudel types/size etc) I will put one together for you mate.

[larry69]

hallo,

maby it was looking like this..?;)

greatings

Larry69

[kristorf]

Neil,

Done this so far from Info passed, let me know of any alterations needed please?

(Click on image to increase size)

http://s6.postimage.org/ygo56ti0x/Elkington_1.jpg (http://postimage.org/image/h3durympp/full/)
http://s6.postimage.org/g2dm2u5q9/Elkington_2.jpg (http://postimage.org/image/c60a6ukql/full/)
http://s6.postimage.org/h77o87s75/Elkington_4.jpg (http://postimage.org/image/kqtly0uwt/full/)
http://s6.postimage.org/bhrfnwm0x/Elkington_3.jpg (http://postimage.org/image/vcdha118d/full/)

[Plt Off JRB Meaker]

Bloody nice skin there Chris!........ps,lovin' your Dundas skin you did for me mate:)

[Friendly_flyer]

JX was the code of No 1 Squ. The spinner of this squadrons (on at least some planes) seem to have been painted with a white stripe, see http://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/item/object/205210784

[kristorf]

Hmmm, pic's I have seen only show black spinners, except for Clowes's.
Going on the info from Neil this one had an all black one.

[Mysticpuma]

Hi Kris. Regarding the Starboard sidwe, the image I forwarded shows the lettering as O (then the roundel) them JX

It's the image with the group stood in front of the Hurri ;)

Looking fantastic so far! Can't wait ;)

Cheers, MP

[Friendly_flyer]

Hmmm, pic's I have seen only show black spinners, except for Clowes's.
Going on the info from Neil this one had an all black one.

You are probably right. I seem to have waylaid my trusty "Hurricane aces 1939-40" where I'm pretty sure there were something about No 1 Squ.

[kristorf]

Neil,
Changed the Starboard codes, also lightened the brown a few shades and changed the underside form a duck egg to more sky.

http://s6.postimage.org/cja1vzwjl/Elkington_5.jpg (http://postimage.org/image/c6inpte9p/full/)
http://s6.postimage.org/vcvuszurl/Elkington_6.jpg (http://postimage.org/image/66uwm5th9/full/)
http://s6.postimage.org/y88xzuyrl/Elkington_7.jpg (http://postimage.org/image/v1eeg8ebh/full/)

FF, looked in my copy and can't see anything??

[Mysticpuma]

Ktistorf, while I appreciate you are trying to make it look accurate....I think the third rivet from the wing Roundel, the one that is just below the parallel one on the opposite side, is in fact at-least 1mm off! I am disappointed with the level of realism you claim to be able to make!!!!

Yeah right!

Seriously this looks fantastic. It's just so close to the profile supplied and looks brilliant! Looking forward to seeing it on a Hurricane on my CloD install very soon!

BTW, when looking at Hurricane 1 skins, which Hurricane is the one the skin belongs to?

I went into Quick Missions and chose a Hurricane, but none said "Hurricane 1" where previous skins had been installed? All I could find was a Rotol and a few others? Which Hurricane do I need to load this skin (when it arrives).

Truly fabulous work.

Also I must add thanks to larry69. I appreciate the time you spent making yours too. Kris does have a level of detail though that 'ramps' up visual beauty of the skin though. But thanks for the effort and time.

Waiting patiently Kris, cheers, MP

[larry69]

..it`s o.k, mysticpuma. i`ve admit, kris`s skin looks great! like every work of him!

larry69

[kristorf]

Cheers Neil,
I will rename it from test and send it on.
I will put on the .jpeg it's name but looking at the profile you sent me it fits the Rotol version. (but will go on all really)

P.S, I agree with that bloody rivet being out of place....

**e-mail sent mate**

[JG26_EZ]

Sorry.. I have to ask.

The markings.. are they correct?

On one side, it has
O@JX
The other side has
JX@O

I brought this up about luftwaffe markings and have to wonder.. was this plane unique, or is this how british markings were set up? I would have thought if one side was O@JX, the other side would have to be the same O@JX.

See the first pic in the following post to see what I'm talking about.. http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=34324

[Mysticpuma]

Sorry.. I have to ask.

The markings.. are they correct?

On one side, it has
O@JX
The other side has
JX@O

I brought this up about luftwaffe markings and have to wonder.. was this plane unique, or is this how british markings were set up? I would have thought if one side was O@JX, the other side would have to be the same O@JX.

See the first pic in the following post to see what I'm talking about.. http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=34324

Using pictures taken at the time and that were supplied by the Pilot Tim Elkington, the markings are very accurate ;)

Cheers, MP

[JG26_EZ]

Yes, I see.. I looked at a bunch of other RAF skins (I should have before posting :( )

I see that the RAF markings differ to the Luftwaffe's.

RAF keep their codes in the front or rear of the roundel on both sides of their aircraft, while the Luftwaffe keeps their markings in order, ie.. O+JX would read O+JX on the other side.

I learned something today, thanks. :)

[Friendly_flyer]

Yes, I see.. I looked at a bunch of other RAF skins (I should have before posting :( )

I see that the RAF markings differ to the Luftwaffe's.

RAF keep their codes in the front or rear of the roundel on both sides of their aircraft, while the Luftwaffe keeps their markings in order, ie.. O+JX would read O+JX on the other side.


Actually, it differed from squadron to squadron. On Hurricanes (which I know best), the fuselage shape made very little room behind the fuselage roudels. Particularly with the larger letters and the broader fonts (the one used on this plane is the narrowest of the RAF fonts), the starboad side of the foselage could be a bit cramped. The squadron codes sometimes covered part of the serial for instance. Some squadrons (but not all) solved this by having the two-letter squadron code forward of the roundel on both sides.

No 1 Squ was one of those, the same goes for Nos 43 (FT), 76 (AL and NV), 128 (WG) and 134 (GO) RAF as well as No 1 Squ SAAF and as a number of others (don't have all my Hurricane refs here at the moment). There were a number of variants on the basic squ-roundel-individual scheme though. Some squadrons flew with the reverse order (Nos 312 (DU) and 527 (WN) for instance), and particularly in Africa a few squadrons flew with individual letter only.

This is only for Hurricanes, Spitfires sometimes had the same phenomenon (see Kristorf's sig), other planes had other peculiarities. See the Whirlwind in my sig for an example.

To sum up, you need references, preferably photos, to make an accurate skin.

[JG26_EZ]

Actually, it differed from squadron to squadron...

Noted, thanks.

[Friendly_flyer]

Kristorf, MP, I finally managed to extract "Hurricane Aces 1939-40" from the stacks, and found the ref on the spinner stripe. According to Holmes, Clowes (quote) "instructed his groundcrew to add a yellow stripe to the wasp motif painted bellow both the port and starboard exhaust stubs - the same shade of roundel yellow used by No 1 Sqn to mark Rotol spinner on each of it's Hurricanes". (Emphasis is mine).

Interestingly, there's a photo of two ground crew painting the was motif on page 109. The caption says it's the same P3395 that's in the picture I posted, but this machine has a white (or sky) spinner with a dark stripe (red? black?), and contrary to the picture I posted it has a glare shield. The caption states the picture is from late October 1940.

It seems to me this has to be a different machine, so that at least two Hurricanes of No 1 Sqn had spinner stripes, which means Holme's assertion all of them had it (around November) seems plausible.

[Mysticpuma]

Interesting detail...blimey! Nice find ;)

[kristorf]

I hate facts...........

Cheers mate, I think

[kristorf]

Neil,
Had a gander in game and was wondering if the green was a tad to dark, tried this one

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v320/Kristorf/Elkingtonnew_zps517281e5.jpg

What you think??