why so much aptitudes for a racing game and so litle for other racing games

[raaaid]

like 7 years ago i started playing live for speed and my first interest was getting a world record

i tried four years and was 3.5 secs from record :(

well then i tried the simbin race series and just now i got a world record in 3 days and once got a world record in 4 hours

think that race series from simbin includes like 5 games all with the same ghostcar competition along several years and its quite massive


first this exposes that being proficient at a game is not a matter of time but aptitudes

in the begining i thought that the racing games i was bad at was due to cheating but i see now i was wrong

i atribute my proficiency at simbin racing games due to the friction physics and force feedback charactheristics which fits my ways

thats a problem with racing simulations: friction in racing tyres doesnt adjust the simplified model they cheat in college(note my dixlexia made me write cheat instead of teach but ill keep it since seems to be also my subcouncious talking :)

[hegykc]

Maybe because LFS is a full blown hardcore racing simulator, and simbin series is a racing game.

[raaaid]

not really lfs friction works on just full grip green and no grip red

in race series which is a SIMULATOR friction physics are more complex

in race series you can do this, not in lfs

this is the real limit beyond green grip cheat in college

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oemeurLbvTo

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youre not seriously comparing lfs physics made by 3 guys team with race series from simbin a huge team even with real drivers

[hegykc]

Fine. Get a world record in Iracing or Rfactor ( a simulator which real life racers use) and you have a point.

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you're not seriously calling a game in which you get a world record in 3 days or 4 hours, a true to life simulator?

[raaaid]

well my first world record at simbin games took me 600 hours practicing almost always the same combo, but once i got the feeling of the game now i can get them within days, im planning now to become the king of the oval and get all world records for the puebla oval with ALL cars(edit:just as that dream of mine in which i was a light dogfighting others to make the circle around the central black hole the fastest :)

there are pilots who are brilliant with certain tyres then the rules are changed so they cant use those tyres any more and they suck

i dont know trully i ponder also the posibility of cheating im not really sure, if you search lfs hacks appear a lot and a 3 team guys shouldnt be able to protect the game form the who world

the oval is very similar to a duel circle dogfight is a matter of who goes closer to the limit without crossing it, and i have 15 years experience on that

another posibility is that sweet point you can see in that video concerning friction lfs doesnt have it simbin has it

also dont you think having a world record at pacman or at certain pinball would be cool and show aptitudes at least for that

[raaaid]

Fine. Get a world record in Iracing or Rfactor ( a simulator which real life racers use) and you have a point.

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you're not seriously calling a game in which you get a world record in 3 days or 4 hours, a true to life simulator?

simbin race series is used by real life racers as well if you wanna talk do your google homework)

i cant afford iracing i may check rfactor thanks for the hint :)

[hegykc]

As i recall, when I got my G25 i tried every pc simulation out there. And LFS and especially Rfactor were the best and hardest to master.
I raced RACE 07 because I like american muscle, but it was next to impossible to spin a car in a band, no matter how much throttle you apply so I said it can't possibly be that easy.

Neither of us ever raced a real race car, but if it seems to easy, I say it probably is.

Get Rfactor and seat behind a wheel of a Ford GT40, or the Shelby Cobra, and try a hot lap...

[zander]

the oval is very similar to a duel circle dogfight is a matter of who goes closer to the limit without crossing it, and i have 15 years experience on that


What, "a duel circle dogfight" ?
At least you have 15 years of experience in flying circles....

[raaaid]

As i recall, when I got my G25 i tried every pc simulation out there. And LFS and especially Rfactor were the best and hardest to master.
I raced RACE 07 because I like american muscle, but it was next to impossible to spin a car in a band, no matter how much throttle you apply so I said it can't possibly be that easy.



thats because default setup is understeery but you can change this

i hate understeer so much, as a matter of fact when i was 21 thousands of a second from wr i was dreaming certain forum member was manipulating my car to make it understeery:rolleyes:

so a litle secret of mine is slightly oversteery set up in all corner phases

my english is not very good though i have a degree in english filology but actually i just took 3 course of english most was feminist english literature

i meant tnb duel

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i have no experience racing a car but i have street racing a bike whan i was younger and crazier, when raining i would drift my 500cc ktm on the road :)

lfs is not realistic but race series are

again in real life theres this sweet point as in seen in the video that could be defined as half grip half slide when the bike begings to vibrate and very slightly slide, lfs doesnt reflect this race series does

[lokitexas]

Simbin has better physics than LFS, end of story. Both are good though.

Also sick of hearing "if its harder, its more of a sim." Thats just not true. iRacing is also fun, and the physics have come a long way since it began.

And this crap about real drivers playing the game...its called marketing. It obviously works on people...because you hear that argument all the time. Do you also believe Aaron Rogers loves State Farm Insurance? Micheal Phelps eating Subway helps him win his races?

True, some drivers will play certain games to get familiar with a track, but its not like since they played _____ game they won a race. Sitting in a PC chair does not come close to sitting in a car.

[hegykc]

Which simbin game are we talking about here, I'll give it a try?

Real drivers are not playing a game. Rfactor came out of a professional racing simulator that real teams use to test different setups so yes, they do actually "play the game".

Just like the DCS A-10 "game" came out of a proffesional A-10 simulator.

And "if it's harder than it's more of a sim" is always, always correct.
Just compare Il-2 to COD, FC3 A-10 to DCS A-10, and any racing flying game to a simulator. If it's harder it really is more of a sim, period.

[raaaid]

it was next to impossible to spin a car in a band, no matter how much throttle you apply so I said it can't possibly be that easy.



this points me you dont know what oversteer and undeersteer is so i made this videos just for you :)

we are talking of the race series, the last one being race injection though i use mainly race07

UNDERSTEER(increasing front antiroll bar):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzh5dbc7qpQ&list=UUYQFAGpkzeOzPbniEw3BIRg&index=3&feature=plpp_video

OVERSTEER(increasing back antiroll bar)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yjgws-cqtaM&list=UUYQFAGpkzeOzPbniEw3BIRg&index=2&feature=plpp_video

NEUTRAL

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jSe1WXfhs-g&list=UUYQFAGpkzeOzPbniEw3BIRg&index=1&feature=plpp_video

[Art-J]

And "if it's harder than it's more of a sim" is always, always correct.
Just compare Il-2 to COD, FC3 A-10 to DCS A-10, and any racing flying game to a simulator. If it's harder it really is more of a sim, period.

Careful there, son. Depends on how you define "harder". Speaking of racing sims, GPL for example was hard to drive in low speed corners, harder then real racing cars even on bias-ply tyres, because of serious imperfections of early version of digital Pacejka tyre model. You had to apply unrealistic driving techniques to get really fast, things you wouldn't have to do in a real car. After many years, modders managed to fix this problem to some extent, but it was a classic example of "harder" being less of a sim really.

I agree on flight sims mentioned above though.

[hegykc]

Of course, read it with some common sense.Broken features don't count as being hard.

Anyway, as I said, never driven a real race car, but seemed to me that Rfactor had a bunch more of features and setup options so it seemed to me as more of a sim, although be it has similar or same engine as Race 07.

But as I read across the net, Rfactor and Iracing seems to be what hardcore simmers talk about as being the best.

I haven't raced in a year or two, but does RACE 07 have options for setting up the car? Camber, caster, toe in, tyre pressure, weight distribution, ride height, spring rate, bump damping, brake bias, differential lock.. all that?

Will have to try it again, but I would say: RACE07=Il2-146 and rFactor=COD or even DCS

[raaaid]

I haven't raced in a year or two, but does RACE 07 have options for setting up the car? Camber, caster, toe in, tyre pressure, weight distribution, ride height, spring rate, bump damping, brake bias, differential lock.. all that?

Will have to try it again, but I would say: RACE07=Il2-146 and rFactor=COD or even DCS

yes it does you can even download other people setups from the own game

tweaking the setups have limitations like a minimum force in suspensions so you dont mess bad the setup, this is good cause you dont mess but bad cause sometimes you havent reached the limit

i tried rfactor demo and seems like race series but without the ghostcar world competition which i love so much :) and not so many players online

[hegykc]

Well damn you Raaaid, now I have to try Simbin and start racing again...

[raaaid]

the best boughts in my life from which i got the most fun was my g25 wheel and gtr evolution which included race 07 :)

in the evenings there are 50 people races for wtcc but you have to set up your own car so you dont have it understeery by default and slow though easy to drive :)

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but hegic theres still something strange am i not a litle uber?with so litle time needed to get to the top

here some random info:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_Out_of_Joint

here a remote controlled machine travelling through a wormhole on tv

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nbDEqErtakk

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ender's_Game

and here a picture of f1 world champion fernando alonso who has identical face to mine

http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e222/raaaid/alonsomodified.png

http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e222/raaaid/lanmodified.png

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since some years ive had the delusion of living in a constructed reality where everybody knows me and probably the only way this is untrue is myself having hallucinations

thats another, every time im about to break a world record tv starts showing extreamly bizarre things that i take as hallucination but later can verify

as this program on cyborgs that i thought i imagined it:

http://www.rtve.es/television/20120611/documentos-tv-ciborgs-muy-humanos/534009.shtml

a posibility is that is real and i interpret it wildly but then in 2003 i watched on tv late at night the daily mirror tape in which arthur c cklarke admited he only had sex with puber child, tape that not even the europol had acces to according the net

i wacthed on tv how rtl claimed an ufo attack had caused the aerial show biggest catastrophe of history and would give some images of that, i thought i had imagined it, i didnt its on youtube

just imagine just as ender ive been breeded through tt for millenia to be a top pilot, from there my being identical to alonso, another top pilot

as that motogp ad suggests the top dogfight of the future, thats now actually, is wormhole racing and just as ender im remote controlling those machines being the silver bullet of mankind against the borg threat from beyond time

so a constructed pleasant calming reality is been built around me so i dont break out in the responsability of being last mankind resort against being assimilated

oh boy even playing a agme is stressfull since im fighting top of the line with the whole wolrd imagine if i had the ultimate responsability in the ultimate war, i wouldnt cope, so just as ender it appears a a game to me



not that i believe this, is jjust wild hypothizing tring to explain the things that dont fit if you take the apparent reality as true

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once i dreamt how i was discussing with obama when bush was president the characteristcs of the speeders that this video portraits:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MfGqMCX07xM&feature=autoplay&list=FLYQFAGpkzeOzPbniEw3BIRg&playnext=4

seems by my dreams when you go really fast with those machines you become inmaterial light, in that dream years ago i was fighting the oval the primigenian circualr wormhole oval which circunvalates the universe central blackhole :)

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here another video that imho opinion portraits the secret wormhole dogfighting war

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hz0RYcBm-IM

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here in the case you didnt spot it:

http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e222/raaaid/2-1.jpg

http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e222/raaaid/1-3.jpg

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well its done im the fastest man in the oval in race f3000, yesterday i got the record by one thousand of a second :)