Why We Are So Rude Online

[ATAG_Colander]

Worth a read for all in this forum...

From the New York Times Why We Are So Rude Online (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10000872396390444592404578030351784405148.html#p rintMode)

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[major_setback]

Worth a read for all in this forum...

From the New York Times Why We Are So Rude Online (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10000872396390444592404578030351784405148.html#p rintMode)

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That was well written. The author is an a****** though.
Oops :-O

[5./JG27.Farber]

I dont have a facebook account :-P

[bzc3lk]

http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f51/bzc3lk/internet-tough-guy.jpg

[mazex]

Worth a read for all in this forum...

From the New York Times Why We Are So Rude Online (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10000872396390444592404578030351784405148.html#p rintMode)

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And the article is about Facebook that is far from these forums as almost everyone act as themselves there. Here almost everyone is anonymous and that truly brings the worst out of people. I guess some really are nasty morons here but there are probably fewer of them than one might think... ;)

/mazex

[Fjordmonkey]

Why are we so rude to one another online? Simple.

http://www.inquisitr.com/wp-content/dickwad-theory.jpg

This is why, explained simply.

To give a more thorough explanation: It's far less likely that being a complete muppet online will lead you to get your face smashed in than what being a complete muppet in real life will. Being banned from a forum, or unfriended on Facebook, is about the extent of the punishment involved and, to be honest, isn't much of a punishment anyway. True, there is a bit of social stigma that can result in being unfriended on Facebook (it's the perfect platform if you want to badmouth someone or plant rumors about someone), but that's fairly normal in real life as well. I'm pretty sure that even the worst troll on these boards are the nicest people when you meet them in real life. Why? Again: Lack of any physical consequence.

If computers were equipped with hardware that kicked you in the groin every time you were an idiot online, you'd see far less idiots.

[Hood]

On the web you can post what you think without the artificial filter that usually goes in place between your brain and mouth to make your comments more palatable for the listener. At the same time it can shortcut the brain/mouth link so you type on instinct rather than rationale; posts tend to be more "in your face".

Hood

[SQB]

Hey, **** all of you, don't tell me what to do!


I actually disagree with some of this, anonymity brings out your true colours. If you're a dick but you hide it in social circumstance then... well... you're an absolute cock online. This seems to be frighteningly common.

[zander]

I think I'm a dick in both worlds. :grin:

[raaaid]

yes i love the anonimity of the internet but not to vent off but to be myself

sad world where hardly anyone says what he truly thinks thank god for the net

[bongodriver]

yes i love the anonimity of the internet but not to vent off but to be myself

sad world where hardly anyone says what he truly thinks thank god for the net

Annonimity?......you practically tell everyone your life story daily, you seem to be under some impression it's interesting, I've said it before but you are simply a narcissist, you impress yourself too much, claiming to have a philology degree when you can't even spell it, Fjordmonkeys post has you down to a tee.

[raaaid]

well when being themselves some are nice some are ...

and you just proved the whole point of the thread

who do you think this fit better a person who insult or someone who discusses ideas:

http://www.inquisitr.com/wp-content/dickwad-theory.jpg

when was the last time you called someone to the face narcisistic or fjord monkey called someone moron to his face in real life as he did to me

oh irony

[bongodriver]

well when being themselves some are nice some are ...

and you just proved the whole point of the thread

who do you think this fit better a person who insult or someone who discusses ideas:

when was the last time you called someone to the face narcisistic or fjord monkey called someone moron to his face in real life as he did to me

oh irony


Yes I did prove the point of the thread, I make a truthfull comment and it gets negative reaction from the addresee simply because it does not pander to their state of mind.

If you were stood in front of me now I would say exactly the same thing, that's the point, you act like you do because you know you will never have to face any physical confrontation as a result.....oh the irony


who do you think this fit better a person who insult or someone who discusses ideas:



You don't discuss anything, you just throw you mental garbage at people and close your ears as soon as somebody questions it and then you do the harmless simpleton act despite the fact you claim to be educated up to the eyeballs (which haven't featured in a raaaid thread for a while).

[raaaid]

so you havent answered my question when was the last time you insulted somone to his face in real life?

you do in normal basis here

have you thought about it?

you see how you fit fjord monkey cartoon?

[bongodriver]

so you havent answered my question when was the last time you insulted somone to his face in real life?

you do in normal basis here

have you thought about it?

you see how you fit fjord monkey cartoon?

I don't make a habbit of insulting people to their face, your point is completely invalid as people like you are very rarely encountered in real life, I do speak my mind to people to their face though, you can rest assured if I meet somebody like you in person I will let them know what I think.

now you have a little think about that.

[Fjordmonkey]

fjord monkey called someone moron to his face in real life as he did to me

oh irony

Actually, I've called plenty of people idiots, morons, twits, fools and a number of other things straight to their faces in real life today. It's part of what I do for a living that lets me do just that.

Some of it is said with humor, some are said with deadly seriousness. I rarely, if ever, sugarcoat things in real life, and I am actually a nicer person online than I am in real life. If people don't like it, it's their own problem. Some like me way I am, some don't. All will have to choose: Take me the way I am, or don't take me at all.

Edit: I can also add that I am a firm believer in treating people like they behave. If you act ok and are nice, I will treat you ok and nice. If you are a blithering fool and an utter idiot, I will treat you as such.

[ATAG_Bliss]

Actually, I've called plenty of people idiots, morons, twits, fools and a number of other things straight to their faces in real life today. It's part of what I do for a living that lets me do just that.

Some of it is said with humor, some are said with deadly seriousness. I rarely, if ever, sugarcoat things in real life, and I am actually a nicer person online than I am in real life. If people don't like it, it's their own problem. Some like me way I am, some don't. All will have to choose: Take me the way I am, or don't take me at all.

Edit: I can also add that I am a firm believer in treating people like they behave. If you act ok and are nice, I will treat you ok and nice. If you are a blithering fool and an utter idiot, I will treat you as such.

I couldn't have said it better. Some people hide behind forum names. Some people even go further, and change their name for various forums they frequent to really try to hide themselves online. My forum name has always been the same - my real name. I have absolutely nothing to hide and have no qualms whatsoever calling a moron a moron - online or in person.

If people act like a child, they should expected to be treated as such. There are, of course, real trolls just like on every online forums out there that do show their real colors virtually every time they post. There's quite a few here, bad mouthing others to try make themselves feel better in their own misery. But they are real easy to spot along with their agenda.

[raaaid]

Actually, I've called plenty of people idiots, morons, twits, fools and a number of other things straight to their faces in real life today. It's part of what I do for a living that lets me do just that.



yeah in your job as an f16 maintenance guy...

youre so brave insulting people who will get fired or when behind the screen

why dont you say what you think to a hooligan calling moron a handicapped doesnt show the big balls you think

[raaaid]

you can rest assured if I meet somebody like you in person I will let them know what I think.



you mean mental or narcisistic?

because there are plenty of those around im not so unique after all as youll agree

of course maybe you do only when they are smaller than you dont you tuff guy who goes around the world with the truth as flag telling to the undesired people how their stealing oxigen

edit:

myself i never insulted anyone in real life maybe as a kid

neither have i been insulted but here i am on daily basis so the things pretty clear to me:

http://www.inquisitr.com/wp-content/dickwad-theory.jpg

[bzc3lk]

Actually, I've called plenty of people idiots, morons, twits, If you are a blithering fool and an utter idiot, I will treat you as such.


I work with a few people who subscribe to that rule. Works in theory , but on many occasions in the real world they are the "blithering fools" themselves but cant see it.

[Fjordmonkey]

yeah in your job as an f16 maintenance guy...

youre so brave insulting people who will get fired or when behind the screen

why dont you say what you think to a hooligan calling moron a handicapped doesnt show the big balls you think

If you had paid attention, raaaid, you would have seen that I have WORKED as F16 groundcrew. I never said that I still did. And when, pray tell, have I said that I'm insulting people that gets fired?

As a matter of fact, I actually have called hooligans morons straight to their faces quite a few times. And guess what! Nothing happened apart from that the muppet walked away.

I work with a few people who subscribe to that rule. Works in theory , but on many occasions in the real world they are the "blithering fools" themselves but cant see it.

It actually works quite well in practice too. The trick is to tell people directly but not to be cruel about it. And explain why you actually say it. Which is quite possible, at least in Norwegian. And am I a blithering fool? Yep, I am, quite often, and when I am people tell me directly and straight to my face, and give a reason for it.

That's the difference.

[Ibis]

Hey Fjordmonkey and Bongodriver


Why dont you leave Raaid alone, bullying a special person on the net just isn't right.

Go look in a mirror to see a sorry individual.
Ibis.

[Fjordmonkey]

Hey Fjordmonkey and Bongodriver


Why dont you leave Raaid alone, bullying a special person on the net just isn't right.

Go look in a mirror to see a sorry individual.
Ibis.

I look in the mirror every day, Ibis, and I never say anything that I wouldn't tell myself in a tenfold worse way. I realize that some people have a lower sensibility on what they can take than others, but I also believe strongly in honesty and plain talk.

If raaaid has a problem with that I respond to him, he can either take it up with the moderators, or he can start thinking before he starts sprouting outright lies about me or try to pin things I HAVEN'T said on me.

I will take responsibility for what I've said, but only if I've actually said it.

[bongodriver]

I look in the mirror and see someone who isn't gullible enough to believe raaaid's harmless simpleton act, he plays this forum like a fiddle.

[flyingblind]

I have no idea why people are rude to each other online. I think it's inexcusable. Although I suspect it might be something to do with wanting to feel important.

[BH_woodstock]

Actually, I've called plenty of people idiots, morons, twits, fools and a number of other things straight to their faces in real life today. It's part of what I do for a living that lets me do just that.

Some of it is said with humor, some are said with deadly seriousness. I rarely, if ever, sugarcoat things in real life, and I am actually a nicer person online than I am in real life. If people don't like it, it's their own problem. Some like me way I am, some don't. All will have to choose: Take me the way I am, or don't take me at all.

Edit: I can also add that I am a firm believer in treating people like they behave. If you act ok and are nice, I will treat you ok and nice. If you are a blithering fool and an utter idiot, I will treat you as such.
my wife calls me a dumbass all the time :grin:

but she says it with love.

hehehehe

[=CfC= Father Ted]

The irony of this thread is the illogical nature of using forum posts to try to persuade others about one's real-life persona.

[Fjordmonkey]

my wife calls me a dumbass all the time :grin:

but she says it with love.

hehehehe

Never argue with your wife. She's right, even when she's wrong :P

[Cataplasma]

Annonimity?......you practically tell everyone your life story daily, you seem to be under some impression it's interesting, I've said it before but you are simply a narcissist, you impress yourself too much, claiming to have a philology degree when you can't even spell it, Fjordmonkeys post has you down to a tee.

Raaaid is a good guy, one of the best and funniest free thinker of this forum.

[bongodriver]

Raaaid is a good guy, one of the best and funniest free thinker of this forum.

Funny?.......if youre like 5 years old maybe, free thinking is great when it leads to truly revolutionary ideas, raaaid is not a free thinker, either way you see him his mind is all about delusion or trolling, 2 very limiting factors, either way I'm not the only one who is getting sick of hearing raaaid tell everyone how wonderfull he thinks he is.....so stop singleing out my posts.

[fruitbat]

Don't like raaaids posts, do what i do. I have him on ignore here, ubi and rof, haven't read a single one of his posts for over a year now, and intend never to read another.

My only gripe is with forum software, not raaaid, wish when you had someone on ignore it wouldn't display posts started by someone on your ignore list.

But ultimatly, no one forces you the reader to read anything on these forums, or to reply....

[Cataplasma]

Funny?.......if youre like 5 years old maybe, free thinking is great when it leads to truly revolutionary ideas, raaaid is not a free thinker, either way you see him his mind is all about delusion or trolling, 2 very limiting factors, either way I'm not the only one who is getting sick of hearing raaaid tell everyone how wonderfull he thinks he is.....so stop singleing out my posts.

What's wrong in a 5 years old kid? I think nothing...
I think that free thinking is great without a reason, it's a simple expression of democracy.
I think that ignore with a list somebody's posts is undemocratic and rude as ignore a phone call, but internet is a medium and every medium is undemocratic...Pasolini talked about it many years ago, he was a true revolutionary and a true free thinker, a writer, a poet, a journalist, a film maker, a philosopher...never seen people like him here and never supposed to find.

[raaaid]

well i just woke up


i feel like too many people here is draining my energy

is like they feel good making me feel bad, that appears to be thir game

a quick google on energy thieves advises to keep these people away

i have to admit that in a way i enjoy it here more than in rof

thats due to the negative attention i get here

check out the other 200 posts thread where it appears fun its all negativity and personal attacks

if im not able to get out of this due to my adiction to it may have to ask a mod kindly(i apologize about yesterday really lost my nervers) he bans me for some months

[Sternjaeger II]

What's wrong in a 5 years old kid? I think nothing...
I think that free thinking is great without a reason, it's a simple expression of democracy.
I think that ignore with a list somebody's posts is undemocratic and rude as ignore a phone call, but internet is a medium and every medium is undemocratic...Pasolini talked about it many years ago, he was a true revolutionary and a true free thinker, a writer, a poet, a journalist, a film maker, a philosopher...never seen people like him here and never supposed to find.


Pasolini? How random.. you must be Italian.. and a young idealist one too.. it takes (a former) one to know one..

[Sternjaeger II]

well i just woke up


i feel like too many people here is draining my energy

is like they feel good making me feel bad, that appears to be thir game

a quick google on energy thieves advises to keep these people away

i have to admit that in a way i enjoy it here more than in rof

thats due to the negative attention i get here

check out the other 200 posts thread where it appears fun its all negativity

if im not able to get out of this due to my adiction to it may have to ask a mod kindly(i apologize about yesterday really lost my nervers) he bans me for some months

yeah I was expecting that after your outburst with mega swearing yesterday you would have been banned, but no, you seem to be immune to that too... You can still cancel your account and take a (long) break.

[bongodriver]

What's wrong in a 5 years old kid? I think nothing...
I think that free thinking is great without a reason, it's a simple expression of democracy.
I think that ignore with a list somebody's posts is undemocratic and rude as ignore a phone call, but internet is a medium and every medium is undemocratic...Pasolini talked about it many years ago, he was a true revolutionary and a true free thinker, a writer, a poet, a journalist, a film maker, a philosopher...never seen people like him here and never supposed to find.

Oh boy.....it's clear what I'm dealing with here, I wasn't criticising 5 year old kids, I was saying raaaid is not funny unless you are 5 years old.

[Cataplasma]

Oh boy.....it's clear what I'm dealing with here, I wasn't criticising 5 year old kids, I was saying raaaid is not funny unless you are 5 years old.

IMHO a 5 years old idiot will remains a 50 years old idiot.

[bongodriver]

IMHO a 5 years old idiot will remains a 50 years old idiot.

Ok..so you agree now, only idiots find raaaid funny.

[Cataplasma]

Ok..so you agree now, only idiots find raaaid funny.

I've never said that raaaid is an idiot, you suggest that, I said he is a free thinker and your sentences testify this, Kids are the best free thinkers.
I think that we are so rude online because we are really rude, specially in our thouths, and really hypocrite, specially in our real lifes.
Write to someone is very different than speak to someone, write to someone that can't see your face is an unnatural way of communicate.
Face and body motion are the most communicative ways of expression for humans and all the other animal races, without them there's a lack of information about the recipient that let us be truly ourselves. So the question is, why are we so rude ad hypocrite in our lifes? Well, I think...as Luthier (and Apple said...because "money is our goal"

[bongodriver]

I've never said that raaaid is an idiot, you suggest that, I said he is a free thinker and your sentenses testify this, Kids are the best free thinkers.
I think that we are so rude online because we are really rude, specially in our thouths, and really hypocrite, specially in our real lifes.
Write to someone is very different than speak to someone, write to someone that can't see your face is an unnatural way of communicate.
Face and body motion are the most communicative ways of expression for humans and all the other animal races, without them there's a lack of information about the recipient that let us be truly ourselves. So the question is, why are we so rude ad hypocrite in our lifes? Well, I think...as Luthier (and Apple said...because "money is our goal"

Sometimes the fact that the internet is so faceless makes people take more offence to a comment because they don't get the full range of indicators of the context something is being said, people just fill in the blanks with their own prejudices.

[Cataplasma]

Sometimes the fact that the internet is so faceless makes people take more offence to a comment because they don't get the full range of indicators of the context something is being said, people just fill in the blanks with their own prejudices.

sure

[raaaid]

maybe in the future forums work with short video answers hosted on youtube to avoid this?

[Fjordmonkey]

maybe in the future forums work with short video answers hosted on youtube to avoid this?

Interesting idea, especially when you want to troll someone. Instead of saying something, you can just moon them.

[Ibis]

Raaid has been around for many years and most people respect his right to put his thoughts and theories, you don't have to read his posts, and I admit I don't read many.
Don't respond to his posts if you don't want his reaction just show your maturity and go on to some other subject or post.
Raaid is usually respectfull unless someone upsets him with unkind remarks or naked bullying.
I don't believe he is a troll he's simply been around too long for that to be the case, he is simply lonely and seeks to participate with others.

Take heart Raaid, you have many many friends.
Ibis.

[5./JG27.Farber]

True Ibis, true... Except where he calls everone with an axis aircraft in their sig a nazi - HOWEVER this has been resolved and he has apologised. Which I personally have accepted. :-P

Anyone can post what they want as far as I am concerned. If you dont like it, just move on. Ask questions by all means, disagree even but dont get mad if you can help it.

[zander]

Raaid has been around for many years and most people respect his right to put his thoughts and theories, you don't have to read his posts, and I admit I don't read many.
Don't respond to his posts if you don't want his reaction just show your maturity and go on to some other subject or post.
Raaid is usually respectfull unless someone upsets him with unkind remarks or naked bullying.
I don't believe he is a troll he's simply been around too long for that to be the case, he is simply lonely and seeks to participate with others.

Take heart Raaid, you have many many friends.
Ibis.

I'll cry into my pillow tonight.

http://www.cheesebuerger.de/images/smilie/ekelig/g026.gif

[raaaid]

thats a thing maybe if i had seen peoples face with an smile while insulting me i wouldnt take it so bad

[Hood]

Raaid has been around for many years and most people respect his right to put his thoughts and theories, you don't have to read his posts, and I admit I don't read many.
Don't respond to his posts if you don't want his reaction just show your maturity and go on to some other subject or post.
Raaid is usually respectfull unless someone upsets him with unkind remarks or naked bullying.
I don't believe he is a troll he's simply been around too long for that to be the case, he is simply lonely and seeks to participate with others.

Take heart Raaid, you have many many friends.
Ibis.


And if you want to counter Raaaid's garbage you can do if you want to, without expecting any criticism from those that don't care. After all this "right" (which is a fallacy btw) extends to everyone doesn't it Ibis?

I'll disagree on the troll point though. Why would this thread have lasted do long if he weren't?

Hood

[raaaid]

freedom of speech doesnt apply to insulting or shouting fire in a crowded theater

[zander]

freedom of speech doesnt apply to insulting or shouting fire in a crowded theater

Sure it does, that's point of it - to problem is where to draw a line.

[Sven]

Of course, if you play smart everything that you say on the webs stays on the webs, bit like Vegas :)

Some people have this huge urge to vent on the internet which they do not want/dare say when it can be related to his personality in real life.

[Outlaw]

thats a thing maybe if i had seen peoples face with an smile while insulting me i wouldnt take it so bad

With your super brain power and your psychic ability you should be able to see the absolutely HUGE smile on my face when I insult you.

I wonder why you haven't mentioned it before?

--Outlaw.

[Outlaw]

Raaid is usually respectfull unless someone upsets him with unkind remarks or naked bullying.

Incorrect.

He has often called people that don't believe his drivel many derogatory names.

--Outlaw.

[raaaid]

With your super brain power and your psychic ability you should be able to see the absolutely HUGE smile on my face when I insult you.


--Outlaw.

yeah you give yourself away most haters want me to stop posting but you want me to keep on to hate on

[Outlaw]

yeah you give yourself away most haters want me to stop posting but you want me to keep on to hate on

Not true. Although they do want you to stop posting they will still hate you even if you do so don't think they will not, "hate on", if you stop.

Take all of my, "stop posting" comments in the context of a, "why do you continue to post if you don't really want an answer", sentiment. I want you to keep posting so we can keep laughing.

--Outlaw.

[Fjordmonkey]

freedom of speech doesnt apply to insulting or shouting fire in a crowded theater

Freedom of speech does not...

A: apply in ANY way to a privately owned forum on the 'net
B: mean freedom from consequence.

To be honest, I don't care who posts here. It's not up to me to say who's allowed to and who's not (thank whatever gods you believe in for that!). I will, however, have a great deal of a care when people sprout drivel and nonsense in response to someone actually pointing out something that's A: logical, and B: Correct.

[=CfC= Father Ted]

The problem with forum discussions is that there is always room for an exponential escalation of misunderstanding and subsequent taking of offence. Thus, a face-to-face conversation may contain the following:

"I'm sorry, but I think you're talking bollocks.."

"What!?"

"Well, OK, not bollocks, but..."

...and the conversation returns to civilized levels. In an internet forum, that first "bollocks" will just be allowed to dangle there (sorry for imagery) and indeed may fester (sorry again) allowing the responder time to get worked up about it. His or her reaction is then often a calculated insult and so the whole thing spirals.

We are also generally more likely to engage in confrontational behaviour when there are physical barriers between us (hence road rage). This, of course, is entirely the case with forum/online game arguments. I think that that phenomenon, coupled with the low-bandwidth (in emotional terms) aspect of written communication causes the flashpoints we see online.

[Hood]

yeah you give yourself away most haters want me to stop posting but you want me to keep on to hate on

Not hate, but pity possibly. A very low opinion of you, definitely. But that's all down to you and it will be all down to you until you're banned or a mod tells you to be careful and you actually listen. You seem proud that you've been banned elsewhere but I can't figure out why.

Now others can say "ignore Raaaid" or "don't post" etc. If someone wants to post rubbish I can post anti-rubbish (if you see what I mean). If anyone doesn't like that they can practise what they preach.

And in the real world I can almost never say what I really think. That or I have to moderate everything completely and dispassionately. I like it when people say what they think - saves misunderstandings.

Hood

[raaaid]

do you understand what a social interaction is and how forums are tools for this?

never benn myself ofensive unless attacked before, i just discuss ideas

[Ibis]

I'm taking my own advice and moving on to other discussions.
cheers,
Ibis.