does anybody use this gun aiming techinque, has it got a name

[raaaid]

when i was 12 i bought a couple bb guns i learnt naturally the best way of aiming though thank god dindt kill any birds:

lokk to the far objective with BOTH EYES, see the barrel double and make it perfect simetric with the objective in the center, hit of 0.2 mm target at 5 m :)

does this have a name?

[Meusli]

when i was 12 i bought a couple bb guns i learnt naturally the best way of aiming though thank god dindt kill any birds:

lokk to the far objective with BOTH EYES, see the barrel double and make it perfect simetric with the objective in the center, hit of 0.2 mm target at 5 m :)

does this have a name?

Yes, it is called the raaaid method now. :)

[CWMV]

Its called the wrong way to shoot, pure and simple.

There are times and circumstances where shooting with both eyes open is appropriate, but what you describe isn't one of them.

[Ze-Jamz]

Its called the wrong way to shoot, pure and simple.

There are times and circumstances where shooting with both eyes open is appropriate, but what you describe isn't one of them.

+1

[Wolf_Rider]

right handed... use the right side of the two images.. left handed, use the left.

laser sighting... line up the dot and shoot :)

[Mysticpuma]

Dear raaaaaid, I am now worried!

As you have now told us you did this when you were younger, it is now history.

You tell us you were accurate?

If Luthier reads this thread and sees that this method can now be seen as Historically Accurate, I would fully expect to see this in the next patch :)

[raaaid]

well this method is not only highly precise but also ultrafast and just natural, as a primitive who would use a bow

problem with this is you need a low level of binocular rivalry, that is being easily able to see double with fussion of images

just try it aim your finger like a gun and aim by seeing double can you do it?

[Pudfark]

If you're bi-polar, Raaaid's concept, can be visualized.
Same concept as closing one eye when using binoculars.
It just depends on the point of view, you wanna take. :idea:

Sorta like riding a motorcycle, with your mouth open.
Some folks just have a taste for it. Other folks are just
tight lipped about it.

Raaaid just see's things through a rolling kaleidoscope.:wink:

[raaaid]

well that aiming technique is identical to wacthing a stereogram:

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_tNHKqUjGEOA/TOpbYbC7sZI/AAAAAAAAN94/v6772m928MQ/s1600/magiceyebook.jpg

in this stereoimage you can see how the brain overimposes images that are not optically overimpsable like this and this \ /

the reason cause nobody can do what i do is that i see two guns while you probably see a useless fior aiming 3d image

in fact this aiming techinque allows to verify you tube is stereosocopic

use the aiming techinque to see the image double and wait for your brain to blend the images from two to a n stereo composition, the less you see them double the easier

[CWMV]

well this method is not only highly precise but also ultrafast and just natural, as a primitive who would use a bow

problem with this is you need a low level of binocular rivalry, that is being easily able to see double with fussion of images

just try it aim your finger like a gun and aim by seeing double can you do it?

Dude, no, its not.
Your method is neither precise or accurate.
http://www.wellesley.edu/Chemistry/Chem105manual/Lab04/AccuracyPrecision.jpg

Instinctual shooting does work, but only after much practice and only at shorter distances.

Since your not a shooter Ill just tell you that just because you think you are pointing at something (hey look, Im pointing my finger at that target!) doesn't mean the bullet is pointing at the same thing.

YOUR WEAPON HAS SIGHTS FOR A REASON.

[CWMV]

Everything you wanted to know about rifle marksmanship:

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/policy/army/fm/3-22-9/

http://www.scribd.com/doc/432351/USMC-MCRP-301A-Rifle-Marksmanship

[raaaid]

oh then i better dont tell you how i shoot airsoft guns

right hand on trigger ass in the left shoulder aim left eye only :)

[bongodriver]

Why does this just not surprise me?

[swiss]

http://www.parody.org/bollywood/all/oso/files/crotch-gun.jpg

[CWMV]

oh then i better dont tell you how i shoot airsoft guns

right hand on trigger ass in the left shoulder aim left eye only :)

???
Airsoft? Who gives a flying frak about airsoft?
Sweet Jesus. Shoot your toys however you want, but read a bit before you try the big boy toys.

[Outlaw]

lokk to the far objective with BOTH EYES, see the barrel double and make it perfect simetric with the objective in the center, hit of 0.2 mm target at 5 m :)


0.2mm accuracy at 5m with a cheap BB gun?

The most accurate shooter to ever walk the face of the Earth (whoever that is/was) could not match the accuracy you claim above.

Your statement is a pile of idiotic crap!


--Outlaw.

[raaaid]

oh i meant two mm so no need to be rude

edit:

in the past youy said you like to post in my threads since it helps you thorugh the day in your work

ill have to assume your answer shows what you like to do what shows the kind of person you are

edit:

hitting a 1 micrometer target with a nine mm bullet is like hitting a 9 mm target with a micrometer bullet, far from imposible

[Outlaw]

oh i meant two mm so no need to be rude

Even so, that's just half the width of a .177 caliber BB.

No way.


--Outlaw.

[raaaid]

in spain we shoot tooth picks with bb guns in fairs, with defective bb rifles¡¡¡¡

http://desmotivaciones.es/demots/201012/palillos_3.jpg

then youl believe im making out my having cut in half with a blade a flying fly

[Outlaw]

I didn't say tiny targets can't be hit with enough shots but you noted, "accurate" and "highly precise".

I claim that is total BS with a cheap off the shelf BB rifle.

--Outlaw.

[raaaid]

well thats subjective, it was a gun and it was not cheap at all

it was the fastest better method i found by myself, if we got to a madmax world i would use that method :)

[Kongo-Otto]

The most accurate shooter to ever walk the face of the Earth (whoever that is/was) could not match the accuracy you claim above.


Jeff Rorer, Joel Kendrick, David Luckman, Michelle Gallagher, John Whidden, Brian Lutz just to name a few.
Off course they could not claim such accuracy as raaaid, simply because instead of raaaid they live in the reality.

[Outlaw]

...and it was not cheap at all...


Also subjective. I just spent $1000 USD on a rifle and to me, that's pretty cheap. I've spent more on pistols.

Also, why the singular now? You noted that you bought 2 in your OP?

--Outlaw.

[raaaid]

one was cheap the other not

anyway it was a kids thing guns are not for me

[ATAG_Snapper]

when i was 12 i bought a couple bb guns i learnt naturally the best way of aiming though thank god dindt kill any birds:

lokk to the far objective with BOTH EYES, see the barrel double and make it perfect simetric with the objective in the center, hit of 0.2 mm target at 5 m :)

does this have a name?

Yes, it does. After considerable research I believe I've unearthed the technique you describe. It's known as "goin' snake-eyed". Now THAT'S shootin'!


http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4fm5S1xcDP4

[BH_woodstock]

ROFLMFAO!!!!


HAHAHAHAHA!!! @ 1:37 and 1:40 i lost it.

look at raaaids face in his profile. can you imagin "that" going "snake eyes"??

great movie btw.

[Von Crapenhauser]

Im going to try the "Snake eye" method LOL

Seems "The only way to go" LOL

[ATAG_Snapper]

Im going to try the "Snake eye" method LOL

Seems "The only way to go" LOL

I tried the "Snake Eye" method at the shooting range using a borrowed CZ 52/57 semi-auto rifle in 7.62x39. The technique is a form of parallax barrel sighting with eyes focused on the target, employing pre visualization of target successfully engaged before actually pulling the trigger. You, the rifle, and the target all come together...all in one. You can literally spit fire, destruction, and all kinds of shyte.....a kind of Spitfire Turd......

[Von Crapenhauser]

I tried the "Snake Eye" method at the shooting range using a borrowed CZ 52/57 semi-auto rifle in 7.62x39. The technique is a form of parallax barrel sighting with eyes focused on the target, employing pre visualization of target successfully engaged before actually pulling the trigger. You, the rifle, and the target all come together...all in one. You can literally spit fire, destruction, and all kinds of shyte.....a kind of Spitfire Turd......

All i do is put the cross hairs on target and squeeze the tit.
Not quite sure where all these methods come from but you gotta admit it makes a good coversation point LOL.
Oh....Sometimes i lead them a bit:P

[Von Crapenhauser]

THe Movies quite good too

[WTE_Galway]

You could always shoot from the hip ....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFUe7dhagTY

[ATAG_Snapper]

That was a good watch; I really enjoy Mythbusters. I competed for about 10 years in Practical Pistol Shooting (IPSC); sometimes a shooting stage required you to shoot strong hand only (which I found a bit difficult) or weak hand only (REALLY difficult).

Moving into Cowboy Action Shooting (SASS) I was able to strengthen my one hand shooting with the single action pistols, but still not as effectively as the two-handed Weaver stance.

My buds and I all tried shooting from the hip.....and sucked! Same goes for the "gangsta" style. LOL

I was impressed with the guys' shooting skill on the video. As was mentioned at the outset, they've had training and they've certainly practiced. Good video.

[M2morris]

Good points here(no pun) har har But in the mid 90s I managed to make the cut and I ended up on a twelve man SF team in the US Army and we spent alot of time at the range(s) and it was pounded in to always shoot with both eyes open for tactical reasons which makes sense. It worked okay for me with pistols but with rifles I couldn't help but to close one eye slightly once in a while when I aimed. Must go back those old bb gun days.

[ATAG_Snapper]

Good points here(no pun) har har But in the mid 90s I managed to make the cut and I ended up on a twelve man SF team in the US Army and we spent alot of time at the range(s) and it was pounded in to always shoot with both eyes open for tactical reasons which makes sense. It worked okay for me with pistols but with rifles I couldn't help but to close one eye slightly once in a while when I aimed. Must go back those old bb gun days.

Ah, maybe you knew something the instructors completely missed:

EDIT: I just attached this clip for humour only -- the irony of little Ralphie actually doing what his Mom had warned him about with the bb gun. No reflection intended whatsoever on the excellent training you had received in service of your country!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YleZvTSDC6s&feature=youtube_gdata_player

[Mr_Steven]

You're all very quick to attack, maybe just because it's raaaid.

I used to play very high-level competitive tournament paintball, and obviously there is a loader above the gun that holds about 160 balls and has a vertical feed tube, so no sights whatsoever. I figured this technique out on my own, and found it to be incredibly accurate, as far as paintball guns go. A painball gun is no where near as accurate as a real gun, or even a bb gun, but this way of shooting where you aim at the target, position your head behind the gun so that you can essentially see two barrels perfectly symmetrical, is by far the most accurate way of shooting a paintball gun. I always tried explaining the technique to many teammates over the years and most of them couldn't even figure out what it was I was telling them to try.

Anyway, don't be so quick to let him know he's a nutcase or whatever, there's nothing written in stone that prevents someone from possibly using this technique with a real firearm with extremely proficient success... at shortish-range ;)

[ATAG_Snapper]

Good post, Mr_Steven.

Almost 20 years ago my young nephew (14 years old) asked if I'd take him to the local paintball range -- his Dad was out of town on business. The facility is (was) located in a converted factory building with a mock city built within (small "houses", "storefronts", alley ways, etc.). I had a fellow IPSC shooter & friend come along for smiles & chuckles. We both were experienced in 3-gun competition (pistols, rifles, shotguns) and figured we'd show these kids how it was done.

Wrongo!!!

These "kids" (avg age est. 16 years, I guess) were dead serious. They got their hits from amazing (to Murray and I, at least) distances, especially taking into account the trajectory of these paintballs after, what, 25 yards or so. Sadly for us two old farts, it was like the final scene in "Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid". Those paintballs HURT! The only chance we had seemed to be running as fast as we could from bldg to bldg -- they didn't lead us enough. But slow down and it became a World of Hurt.

We lost every single match. For one of 'em when the starting horn sounded I raised my head over a wall and my facemask turned technicolour with paintball impacts. I was picked off 2 seconds into the game. Murray was laughing so hard I damned near shot him myself.

None of these kid marksman shot from the hip that I recall. They must've employed a technique much like you describe, since, as you mention, the gravity feed magazine is over the rifle and precludes using conventional sights IIRC. I didn't see anyone go snake-eyed, although facemasks hide that kind of detail. But these "kids" sure got their hits. I had the welts the next morning to prove it.

Murray and I never went paintball shooting again. He still has a chipped bone in his elbow from vaulting over a low wall and landing hard. Or maybe it was me landing on top of him a half second later. Dunno. Anything to get away from those stinging paintballs!!!

So maybe like you say, Raaid is on to something after all.

[Outlaw]

Unless you have a $1000+ dollar paintball gun and are shooting the most expensive paint available there is no aiming a paintball. And even if you do have the above equipment, it's still a crap shoot.

Also, for each round that hit you there were probably 15 fired, if not more. That's not aiming.

The "break" is the key to a tourney style paintball game and the experienced kids shoot at a "lane" that they know players are likely to be running through. Once you learn how to play the break your game time will increase significantly.

Of course, NOTHING is more important than knowing the field. Once you have played a field a few times you learn which lanes are the best and which are the worst and how to time them.

Watching the other players on their setup before the game starts is also important. It's funny to watch the newbies across the field talk and point to where they are going to go on the break. Ignore the ones that are hitting close bunkers and light up the lanes to the long ones and watch 'em fall!

--Outlaw.

PS
Gravity feed is for newbies, my loader will feed 18 rounds per second and my gun will fire 1500 round per minute in full auto (no, I'm not kidding). Unfortunately when the gun outruns the loader there is a stoppage so I can't go full auto (I don't have an adjustable rate circuit board). That's OK b/c I can "walk" the trigger on semi-auto and still outrun the loader.

[ATAG_Snapper]

Interesting stuff, Outlaw.

Do you find any of the skills you've obviously honed in paintball at all transferable to deflection shooting in CoD?

[Outlaw]

Interesting stuff, Outlaw.

Do you find any of the skills you've obviously honed in paintball at all transferable to deflection shooting in CoD?

Not really. The range is so short in paintball the required deflection is due more to the pathetic accuracy and muzzle velocity of the weapon system rather than the range and speed in the game (and/or real life).

I shoot IDPA at the club level on occasion and paintball really helped that as far as thinking with your head while shooting (paintball came before IDPA for me).

I've had a few stoppages in competition (and many in paintball) and, according to my competition, I handle it very well. That comes from paintball.

--Outlaw.