top secret ancient tech the COUNTER solar point to obtain longitude

[raaaid]

probably you heard of the antisolñar point, thats the position of the sun plus 180º in both axes

but what about the counter solar point, most probable supressed tech due to its importance

the position of the sun in a mirror, the counter sun that always goes at the same rate than the normal sun but in opposite sense

why its relevance?

let me quote messie verne:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a4/Verne_Denoument.jpg

if you add to this the counter sun

phileas fog would count 79 suns and 81 countersuns going east vizeversa going west, while in greenwhich they would count 80 of both

crazy stuff to know your longitude you just need to keep track of the time difference of the sun time vs the counter time of the counter sun :)

such a secret and top tech used by the top empires it remains still so, oh so much lost in the library of alexandria the more time it passes the less we know

[TomcatViP]

Oh damn my heaaaaaaad!

Where are my pills of aspirin...

[swiss]

Imagine flying around the world in a plane at ~1.700km/h.
Imagine to take off during sunrise.
Now if you look back, there will always be only one sunrise - FOR EVER!
You'd be in a "Raaid-paradoxon". Crazy stuff, huh?

[WTE_Galway]

such a secret and top tech used by the top empires it remains still so, oh so much lost in the library of alexandria the more time it passes the less we know

Curse those wretched 4th Century Christian fanatics declaring everything heretical and burning it :P

[Wolf_Rider]

There was a few before the heretic burners who got stuck in, and a major kill the non-believers lot, who gave razing the library a go after them though....
Its amazing what people will destroy in god's name, eh?

[Sternjaeger II]

this thread has been discussed before, looks like yet more spam from Raaaid to me..

[raaaid]

no its diferent before i discussed the lunar distance method:

this is an improved method just using the sun exclusivily to obtain longitude

[Viking]

I have always suspected that this "Raaid" fellow had some sort of hidden wisdom or even intelligence ,until now! Rubbish the lot of it!

[raaaid]

take this variation:

you have a mechanical clock with two identical period counterotating needles

if the hour needel passed the vertical 80 times how many times passed the vertical the counter hour needle?

80

and what about if you spin th clock in the same axes than the needles 1 revolution?

then there will be a offset in the needels of 2 revolutions

one nedel is the sun the other needel the countersun the revolution of the clock the travel around the earth

yeah but if they knew i would know right?

then why studies are intended to kill poeples creativity and critic spirit and questioning of things?

[pstyle]

and what about if you spin th clock in the same axes than the needles 1 revolution?
then there will be a offset in the needels of 2 revolutions

Umm, relative to a stationary point outside the clock, the number of passes of the hand will be different to the number of times the hands pass a point ON the clock... Everyone know's this.

For example follow the red hand in this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZLyND0qoO4&feature=related

Relative to the markings on the clock, the hand moves.
Relative to the wall, the read hand is stationary.

This is NOT a big deal. There is no conspiracy. There is no secret knowledge...just some pretty basic geometry.

[raaaid]

oh thanks a lot this is the easiest method to obtain longitude:

make a gruesome clock that can be even moved arbitrarily by hand with two exact COUNTEROTATING NEEDLES

you align it west east and count how many times each needle crosses the sun(thanks a lot ; thats the xterior reference point)

after a whole travel around the earth one needel will have crossed the sun one more and the other one less however the beat of the clock

i bet this is how the ancients conquered the pacific islands

edit:

imagine an ancient hawaian obtaining longitude:

the magic wheel in which two needles are countergeared

he is instructed to spin them 100 times per day as he travels

he knows that if he is still since one is following the sun and the other has opposite sense each day he will count one more of one than the other crossing the sun, so each day he adds one to one and substarcts one to the other

but if he travels 80 sunsets around the earth he will count 8001 of one needel crossing the sun while 7999 of the counterneedle crossing the sun while if he had not moved in 80 days would have counted 8000 of both exactly

[Sternjaeger II]

just please stop. PLEASE, I BEG YOU, STOP!!

Why you have no respect for other people's feelings??

[raaaid]

oh but i stopped my crazy stuff due to uther "suggestion"

come on youre pilot dont you love star navigation and the trill of the longitude feat?

dont you think according history proabably ancinet mastered longitude?

[Sternjaeger II]

I do, but you're not talking about that. In fact, you don't talk about anything. You just throw nonsense and conveniently hop from one topic to another like a crazy bee, because you're a bit like that and we all have to love you for how unique you are..

I still believe that the internet is not a safe place for you and your mental health, and your constant rambling nonsense is evidence of that. Anybody else would have understood by now, either you're crazy (which admittedly you aren't), or you're a troll (which admittedly you are).

There's no room for trolling on forums, you do the maths..

And mind you, I don't want you to be banned, I want you to understand.

[raaaid]

well ill stop the crazy ramblings, iove already done, notice my other thread was an artistic consideration in which was the FICTION most beaustifull sky

but this is just maths and its pretty much accepted the ancients had a way to obtain longitude though we dont know how

i their method is based in a virtual counter rotating star and a normal rotating one

if you remain in greenwhich there will be a difference of two revolutions than if you travel around the earth

i would post this in an science forum but i get banned from all, for example i was permabanned from the main physics forums in the net for not accepting the calssical explanation for the boomerang in their own words

creativity and science dont go hand by hand nowadays

[Wolf_Rider]

yeah... they don't like freethinkers, eh

[Outlaw]

They also don't like people who claim that a free-body-diagram is nonsense because, "...you have to show all the forces in the system...", and then proceed to tell them how to do physics.

--Outlaw.

[raaaid]

i think the main reason cause i post here its with the help of others develop my ideas

the concept is extreamly simple

you have a rudimentary clock(for example one which you move by hand giving it 100 turns each day) with two EXACT counter rotating needels, you count one every time each needel crosses the sun

in greenwhich they will count in 80 days 80 more of one than the other since one follows the sun and other goes contrary

but if you give a revolution to earth there will be an extra offset of two turns than in greenwhich wouldnt happen, since you have a clock that is as a whole turning as you change longitude, now its a matter of a rotating clock with two counterotating needles on its face

actually im in position to talk about this, i got an 8 out of 10 in spheric trigonometry and study several months of star naviagation

i bet any pilot studies star navigation, this is mind challenging stuff for any navigator

[raaaid]

They also don't like people who claim that a free-body-diagram is nonsense because, "...you have to show all the forces in the system...", and then proceed to tell them how to do physics.

--Outlaw.

if youre to prove a reactionless engine schauberger style in a free body diagram if for every force you paint you MUST paint an oposite according newton is virtually imposible to break the rules and paint a force WITHOUT the opposite, a reactionless force, since youre breaking the very rules

you know what they werent able to answer in no physics forum?:


if a tube is spining on its transversal axe and theres a projectile inside whats the normal force that projectile experiments?

the right answer is none though its making a curve is the equivalent to free fall in artificial gravity, this very thing takes us to schauberger free energy antigravity turbines

but remember as i wrotten in my exam friction is independent of surface, its the same push ten boxes in a row than piled one on other

have you pondered than thinking questioning people are not wellcome?

[Hood]

yeah... they don't like freethinkers, eh

The origin of science came from free thinkers. What they don't like is idiots with their own agenda that has no basis in anything rational.

Hood

[raaaid]

another think i like here is that by the name of the last poster i can tell the nature of the comment, its been more than 10 years now :)

men discusses ideas, peasants discuss things and villains discuuss people

[Hood]

another think i like here is that by the name of the last poster i can tell the nature of the comment, its been more than 10 years now :)

men discusses ideas, peasants discuss things and villains discuuss people

I have no idea what the 10 year reference means, but why are you adapting a quote for your own purpose? Be original man, don't "invent" things that have already been invented, or "discover" theories that have been around for decades.

Be original and all is well.

Hood

[raaaid]

well ten years in the ubizoo, most are here now

well if you dont call original my rediscovery of the secret of longitude

although my purpose its make it so clear even my biggest detractors will acept it:

a clock with two counterrotating needles, 100 per day, you count how many time each corsses the sun

after a revolution to earth there will be an offset of 2 turns from greenwhich

just a clock spining with counter rotating needles and aiming an exterior reference

[Hood]

well if you dont call original my rediscovery of the secret of longitude



Designed through the mid-1700s. No it is not original.

Hood

[WTE_Galway]

At least Raaaid posts.

Without Raaid the forums would be totally dead.

[Hood]

At least Raaaid posts.

Without Raaid the forums would be totally dead.

That's got to be the weakest justification for his existence on these forums. He's a troll, pure and simple.

Hood

[gilmc123]

I think Raaid is a great man and i read all of his posts and he aint no troll. Salute Raaid dont let em bring you down. :!:

[Sternjaeger II]

I think Raaid is a great man and i read all of his posts and he aint no troll. Salute Raaid dont let em bring you down. :!:

Do you? Since July 2012? Wow...

[gilmc123]

you dont have to register to read. :confused:

[Sternjaeger II]

you dont have to register to read. :confused:

lol brilliant, utterly brilliant :rolleyes:

[Sternjaeger II]

?:confused:

there's been several cases of new users with very random nicknames that appear just to show support to our friend here, hence my sarcasm.. but yeah, by all means knock yourself out, every other thread here in the OT section is started by him! ;)

[gilmc123]

lol brilliant, utterly brilliant :rolleyes:

What are you going on about? :confused:

[gilmc123]

Raaid is a clever man and i feel that many are just jealous because they dont have the Intelligence he has. This is why they attack him. :!:

[Sternjaeger II]

Raaid is a clever man and i feel that many are just jealous because they dont have the Intelligence he has. This is why they attack him. :!:

yes, you are right, he's very clever.

[raaaid]

he thinks youre me ;)

maybe paranoia is contagious after all :)

[gilmc123]

Yeah pure paranoia lols but you cant blame them because anybody that still has any faith left in CLOD after a year or so of being treated this badly must have something wrong with them. ;)

[gilmc123]

Not saying that there is anything wrong with me and you Raaid lol were still ok. ;)

[Hood]

Raaid is a clever man and i feel that many are just jealous because they dont have the Intelligence he has. This is why they attack him. :!:

Either an alter ego or someone creating a profile to troll. One of the definitions of "intelligence" is "quickness of understanding." Nobody who has read Raaaid's drivel would equate his theories with intelligence. Look how long he's taking to get his second degree (I'm sure in previous posts he's said he's already got two degrees - more fantasy).

Pure muppetry.

Hood

[raaaid]

but if you didnt even understand my point about longitude, then how do yoyu know its drivel?

[Outlaw]

but if you didnt even understand my point about longitude, then how do yoyu know its drivel?


You don't understand physics so you claim it's drivel. What is the difference between you and him then?


--Outlaw.

[gilmc123]

Why would i be Raaid this is madness first day on forums aswell. There are some crazy people here. And btw im not bald. :!:

[swiss]

st frack up, andy.

[Hood]

but if you didnt even understand my point about longitude, then how do yoyu know its drivel?

Where do you get that idea from? It's very very old science and what is the point of it being secret when you have GPSs?

As I said, drivel.

Hood

[gilmc123]

Why does it matter if its old science i have learned from this?

[Hood]

Why does it matter if its old science i have learned from this?

If you're genuine then great, though the way the info is presented as an earth shattering scientific discovery is pure rubbish.

I don't think you're genuine so won't bother entering into further dialogue with you.

Hood

[raaaid]

no hood your wrong longitude its been known for ages

what is not known is how the polinesian for example could sail so precisely without a clock to obtain longitude

i think they used a virtual counterotating sun

in greenwhich they would count 80 of each while after a revolution to earth they would count 79 and 81 of each

the question you should ask yoursel is how many people are on solving the longitude probelem?

300 years ago hundreds of thousands today maybe just me

i thought there would be some people here with basis of navigationt that could help me polish my idea but again most here discuss not ideas not even things but other people

if i came with this idea in the 40s certainly would have caught more attention

[raaaid]

You don't understand physics so you claim it's drivel. What is the difference between you and him then?


--Outlaw.

of course i dont understand in fact i with hold the theory that even if i see a thing with the clearest clarity i wonder if somehow im decieving myself into see it, like in a dream where everything appears to fit

but being banned from every sicence forum for my irrationality proves nowadays science is the old church, in the end whats the big bang but the breaking of the natural laws, matter- energy cant be created, except in the big bang by god

even yourself admitted friction is contact surface dependent when science claims the opposite

i lack faith for science you have plenty even after seeing the friction surface wrong dogma you known now

in fact sicence is based in trust on others, have you checked the boiling point of water at 1 atm is 100º?

what if everything could be a lie and the international system of units could be modified so a kg weights less each time so they earn more money?

maybe wea re not growing but the unit is decreasing

they are convinced, the rational theyre being told the truth by an evil world that lets babies starve in front of their moms

the rational are naive they trust blindly an evil society

myself im irrational i know i can only trust personal experience and besides not having a wonderfull life i can define my experience as a perfect existence

so maybe everything its a lie and the world is staged?

why?

i dont know maybe something in this vein?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15__iA1MTqc

[gilmc123]

of course i dont understand in fact i with hold the theory that even if i see a thing with the clearest clarity i wonder if somehow im decieving myself into see it, like in a dream where everything appears to fit

but being banned from every sicence forum for my irrationality proves nowadays science is the old church, in the end whats the big bang but the breaking of the natural laws, matter- energy cant be created, except in the big bang by god

even yourself admitted friction is contact surface dependent when science claims the opposite

i lack faith for science you have plenty even after seeing the friction surface wrong dogma you known now

in fact sicence is based in trust on others, have you checked the boiling point of water at 1 atm is 100º?

what if everything could be a lie and the international system of units could be modified so a kg weights less each time so they earn more money?

maybe wea re not growing but the unit is decreasing

they are convinced, the rational theyre being told the truth by an evil world that lets babies starve in front of their moms

the rational are naive they trust blindly an evil society

myself im irrational i know i can only trust personal experience and besides not having a wonderfull life i can define my experience as a perfect existence

so maybe everything its a lie and the world is staged?

why?

i dont know maybe something in this vein?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15__iA1MTqc

+1

[Hood]

no hood your wrong longitude its been known for ages

what is not known is how the polinesian for example could sail so precisely without a clock to obtain longitude

i think they used a virtual counterotating sun

in greenwhich they would count 80 of each while after a revolution to earth they would count 79 and 81 of each

the question you should ask yoursel is how many people are on solving the longitude probelem?

300 years ago hundreds of thousands today maybe just me

i thought there would be some people here with basis of navigationt that could help me polish my idea but again most here discuss not ideas not even things but other people

if i came with this idea in the 40s certainly would have caught more attention

And as normal you go away from your original hypothesis. Nobody will know how the Polynesians did it, they're all dead so we can't ask them.

You propose the wrong question. The most appropriate question is : why might it only be you trying to solve this problem? Answer: it's already been solved, it's old technology and it is irrelevant in today's world.

If you came with this idea in the 40s you'd have been 180 years too late and you'd be ridiculed, just like now. Why don't you just pm or email those that are actually interested?

As I've said before, be original because for once it'll be interesting.

Hood

[swiss]

in fact sicence is based in trust on others, have you checked the boiling point of water at 1 atm is 100º?


Have you?
In a lab?
What were the results, was is pure h2o?



they are convinced, the rational theyre being told the truth by an evil world that lets babies starve in front of their moms



So what? It's nature it was always like that.
Some times baby kitten/humans even get eaten by predator.
You should study evolution a bit more in depth - before life even introduced multicellular organisms - the unicellular ones started "absorbing" each other. :-)

the rational are naive they trust blindly an evil society

society? If it it wasn't for society I could just come over to your house, chop off your head you and fly home without ever getting harmed.
(A Vendetta needs informations and ppl willing to do it)

not having a wonderfull life i can define my experience as a perfect existence


There's no shitty life, it is what you make out of it.
Mind you, this can be cash/success or perception.


i dont know maybe something in this vein?

http://www.irrelevant youtube stuff as usual.com

please stop abusing artists and youtube vids to make your claim sound more serious.

[Outlaw]

of course i dont understand in fact i with hold the theory that even if i see a thing with the clearest clarity i wonder if somehow im decieving myself into see it, like in a dream where everything appears to fit


Then by definition you will never be convinced of ANYTHING so why do you even bother to care?

Yours is a pointless existence if nothing can ever be seen as, "real".


but being banned from every sicence forum for my irrationality proves nowadays science is the old church, in the end whats the big bang but the breaking of the natural laws, matter- energy cant be created, except in the big bang by god


The only thing it proves is that no one wants to discuss anything with you because you will not believe ANYTHING. Therefore there is no point in the discussion at all.


even yourself admitted friction is contact surface dependent when science claims the opposite

i lack faith for science you have plenty even after seeing the friction surface wrong dogma you known now


Once again you just spout the same junk without understanding anything. I CLEARLY stated what I said and how it relates to the concept of sliding and rolling friction.

Your failure to understand the concept and use of the equations does not make them or myself wrong, it makes you wrong.


the rational are naive they trust blindly an evil society


PROVE it!!! And I mean REAL PROOF. Not a stupid Katy Perry video or a CGI clip of flying penguins.


myself im irrational i know i can only trust personal experience and besides not having a wonderfull life i can define my experience as a perfect existence


BS!!!! The FIRST sentence in your post states that you DO NOT BELIEVE WHAT YOU SEE.

Your intelligence fails to overcome your irrationality every time.


so maybe everything its a lie and the world is staged?


Why do you keep repeating the above pointless statement to me?

I have already responded that MAYBE it is true. BUT, as I said above, if it is true, THERE IS NO POINT IN ARGUING ANYTHING since NOTHING can be proven.

So, if you want to make an argument then you MUST assume that the above is not true or there is no point in making the argument.

So either shut-up or make the assumption. To keep repeating that maybe the world is staged serves only two purposes...

1. I win bets with coworkers
2. You annoy others



--Outlaw.

[raaaid]

well as soon as i ask have you verified this fact claim by science and someone answers he has ive already won

outlaw im just taking the motto all i know its i know nothing

even your senses can decieve you even in dreams youre convinced youre awake

when you say that womans so ugly i say yeah but in your world ugly means ugly while in mine means hot we seem to agree but we do not

you want a proof were budhas in reverse in a constructed reality around suffering

youve already seen it what are your thoughts on this ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64Oh3qEVgBQ

no comment as usual of course

my main theory

the aliens came and enlightened all humanity but me since im the one who discovers the enlightening philosophers stone and that would cause a paradox so even if people dont want to im a froced by paradox truman

this is what my intuition tells me

i learnt at 12 my intuition was right

i have info you dont have, i KNOW media is such a perfect 3d you dont notice as you dont notice it in real life

all i have to do is achieve an augmented 3d perception and voila as in flat i can visualize 3d by perespective in true 3d ill be able to visualize the 4d plus time

so far i got an augmented 3d perception record of 5 seconds, seen with my peripheral view as with central for a record of 3 seonds

also how could i trust my senses if every time i get my antipsicotic shot monhtly i see tranhumanists on tv

of course im uncertain but you know what probailities are?

theres a 75% probability that things are not at all what they seem

you know the cubic rule vs the square section you take this for granted i give it a 75% chance to be a lie so ill know where my money will be:

http://dinosaurs.about.com/od/typesofdinosaurs/tp/Five-Biggest-Dinosaurs.htm

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also outlaw what would be your answer if i told you i wacthed an almost invisible rocket downing the su27 in the ucrania aerial eshibition in the news or the history channel showing a documnetal with 20 minutes of roadkill and misshaped fetus and a physicist claiming to become deus ex machine

you would say hallucination dont you, well want link?

then why should i consider a dream or imagination the rest of my perceptions

edit:

a proof of the alien enlightened humanity:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6w4QEAcyhnw

edit:

i wonder if hell ever know he is in the best selling show

when did you imagine get sent to the land of the one eyed where youre blind

edit:

but with my training im begining to see i can see this in stereo can you?
http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e222/raaaid/mw4.jpg

the reason the mayas were portrait crosseyed is they were looking to the stars setting depth perception on maximum

i learnt the trick a copule of years ago now i almost finish my studies i can dedicate my time to it:

we look wrong to have an stereo perecpetion you have to look SLIGHTLY double

edit:

imagine youre watching a program on motorbikes to realx

then a nice looking guy appears on the straight of the circuit telling this story

on a saturady certain pilot got a speed record in that straight with a record lap

after that he was aked why he did the lap on saturday and not on friday as it was inititally programed

the pilot answer:

are you crazy if i had done the lap on friday all stock marckets ffrom the worl would have fallen

i seem crazy to you i know but for some reason i have acces to some unique info, for example the cnn blue screen video

this is how i see that previous flat image, do you spot the joke of the sync?

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_Bdh8tpO-jis/S7_xFI0U0XI/AAAAAAAAAGE/nbl2mmiwEUE/s1600/galaxy2.jpg