First 109 K4 ever to be restored

[Richie]

This is the first 109 K4 I've ever seen anywhere after the war. This is great news.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqVqiE2AniA

[pupo162]

i will take m ychances, but on the related videos of oyur video i foudn this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0iXSJ10KV4&feature=player_embedded#!

isn't that a K4 too?

still great video, thanks!

[Richie]

No that is a Buchoun that was changed into a G10 in the late 80s or early 90s. The other is the G2 Black 6 in a different camouflage from it's usual desert tan. They were using it in some sort of film where it needed to be in a European colour sceme. If this aeroplane that I put up is a real K4 it's huge news for anyone who likes 109s because they were the last and the fastest. Faster than P-51s

[Al Schlageter]

No that is a Buchoun that was changed into a G10 in the late 80s or early 90s. The other is the G2 Black 6 in a different camouflage from it's usual desert tan. They were using it in some sort of film where it needed to be in a European colour sceme. If this aeroplane that I put up is a real K4 it's huge news for anyone who likes 109s because they were the last and the fastest. Faster than P-51s

Not faster than the P-51H tho.

[pupo162]

No that is a Buchoun that was changed into a G10 in the late 80s or early 90s. The other is the G2 Black 6 in a different camouflage from it's usual desert tan. They were using it in some sort of film where it needed to be in a European colour sceme. If this aeroplane that I put up is a real K4 it's huge news for anyone who likes 109s because they were the last and the fastest. Faster than P-51s

roger, im a 109 lover, but the K4 never impressed me. For starters it was bad ingmae (1946), second its uglier (in my opinion), than its older brothers. i think the 109 had its pick in beauty in the F series, the early G's are ok the late G's start too look ugly with the bulge in the engine cooling for the HMG and that hood redisign ---- All matters of opinion off course. Glad too see another 109 airbourne tough.

cheers!

[Richie]

Stuff I found.

The Bf 109 K-4 was the fastest 109 of World War II, reaching 710 km/h (440 mph) at 7,500 m (24,610 ft) altitude[101]; improved propellers were being developed when the war ended which would have boosted the speed to 727 km/h (452 mph), and 741 km/h (459 mph) was expected with an experimental swept-back propeller design.


It doesn't go like that in IL-2

[BRIGGBOY]

i am no 109 jock but i do like to fly them now and again. however it is great to see another warbird get some tlc. but i have to say the f4 is my favourite

[Richie]

One of the problems with K-4s is there are very few pictures of them. I have about 1500 pictures of Messerschmitts in my file and probably 20 real life K-4 pictures. Yes there are more but the majority of them are K-4s all beat up with allied soldiers around them taking pictures etc and I don't want to save those. I have yet to see one photo on the internet of a K-4 flying. I mean a picture of one flying taken from another aeroplane. I think why this is is because the war was going so badly and things were so desperate no one had time to be screwing around taking pictures. We have to rely mostly on profiles and pictures of models.

[Richie]

Disagree pupo I hate Es. I am dieing waiting for Russia. Favorite is the Fs


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnpC_BcK7xY&feature=related

[Ze-Jamz]

Bootiful..

[ATAG_Bliss]

If this aeroplane that I put up is a real K4 it's huge news for anyone who likes 109s because they were the last and the fastest. Faster than P-51s

Wasn't the P51D rated at 442mph at 26,000 feet with WEP? And the H was around 490mph I believe. K is not faster.

[pupo162]

my favorite is the F too.

but the E looks sexy too. Its all about tastes, some like the Emil, some the kurfurst.... believe it or not, some consider the spitfire sexy :grin:

[Richie]

Wasn't the P51D rated at 442mph at 26,000 feet with WEP? And the H was around 490mph I believe. K is not faster.

http://www.wwiiaircraftperformance.org/mustang/p-51d-na-46-130.html


http://www.mustangsmustangs.com/p-51/p51variants/P-51H.shtml


I don't think the H ever saw action in WWII.

[Rjel]

No the P-51H never saw combat. But don't forget the P-47M that did, doing so at over 470 mph in the hands of the highly experienced 56thFG.

[LcSummers]

No the P-51H never saw combat. But don't forget the P-47M that did, doing so at over 470 mph in the hands of the highly experienced 56thFG.

Yeah thats right but it consumed much fuel and had engine troubles. Engines often stopped in flight because cylinder temperatures where to low wich was never a problem previously.
Squadron Signal 1208 (Larry Davis)

About the P-51H it was never used in combat, they wanted to make an lighter aircraft wich could

quote:

The P-51H was North American´s answer to an Army Air Forces requirement for a lightweight fighter design with a better rate of climb to match the German Me 109 an FW 190. SS 1211 (Larry Davis)

At the end the H fully loaded was only 600 pounds lighter than the P-51D but this made a difference in speed, it reached 487 mph.

[LcSummers]

Richie,

i like the 109G-10 and the 109K-4 much more than the earlier variants. (this is my opinion). I like that powerful design. The coverd engine bulges too.:-P

Another warbird. From the cockpit instruments its definitley a K-4.

[Richie]

Richie,

i like the 109G-10 and the 109K-4 much more than the earlier variants. (this is my opinion). I like that powerful design. The coverd engine bulges too.:-P

Another warbird. From the cockpit instruments its definitley a K-4.

That's good to know. I wonder if it's being restored to flight or not. Ks had bigger wheels and a touch wider foundation for the gear so they probably were a little less hairy on the ground. Plus the long tail wheel made for a little better vision. Like I said so hard to find pictures of Ks.

http://www.asisbiz.com/il2/Bf-109K/Bf-109K-JG77.9-%28W2+%29/pages/1-Bf-109K4-9.JG77-during-Bodenplatte-Jan-01-1945-01.html

[bongodriver]

Can anyone tell me what the music in that first video is?

[Ze-Jamz]

Can anyone tell me what the music in that first video is?

Everyday by Carly Commando

[Sven]

Awesome! Love the late war 109 looks!

[TomcatViP]

Everyday by Carly Commando

Isn't that from "Muse" band ?!

[bongodriver]

Everyday by Carly Commando

Thanks Mate....googling.

[Ze-Jamz]

Isn't that from "Muse" band ?!

no mate

[TomcatViP]

no mate

Intro theme look like very similar

[Bewolf]

Awesome news.
When I first entered the multiplayer Sim Aces High, more then a decade ago, the first ride I took was a K4.

Actually managing to get her off the ground I soon faced a Mustang who then tried to outrun the 109.
When I shot him down easily because he just flew straight, coms started with "WTF why did a 109 catch me!?"

Since then there is a love affair going on. Trying to go to see her in real once she is done for sure :cool:

[Richie]

If CLOD continues on threw the war years as IL-2 did I can't wait to see what the late war 109s will be like. I guess that's a few years away but I can wait.

[TomcatViP]

If CLOD continues on threw the war years as IL-2 did I can't wait to see what the late war 109s will be like. I guess that's a few years away but I can wait.
[JokeMode=ON]
Well, they will surely hve to give us an exo-atmospheric model to fit the perfs of the late war Spits then.
[JokeMode=OFF]

[David198502]

roger, im a 109 lover, but the K4 never impressed me. For starters it was bad ingmae (1946), second its uglier (in my opinion), than its older brothers. i think the 109 had its pick in beauty in the F series, the early G's are ok the late G's start too look ugly with the bulge in the engine cooling for the HMG and that hood redisign ---- All matters of opinion off course. Glad too see another 109 airbourne tough.

cheers!

exactly my fiew!109F-4 my absolute favorite

[WTE_Galway]

Personally ... I always liked the look of the late war 109s ...

http://www.adlertag.de/bilder/bf109-k4.jpg

[ElAurens]

Always good to have another war bird in the air.

As to P 51 speeds, the fastest in service models were the B and C, which could do 440mph as well.

[fruitbat]

Always good to have another war bird in the air.

As to P 51 speeds, the fastest in service models were the B and C, which could do 440mph as well.

yep, bubble tops = more drag......

wasn't the fastest 51's the razors that were cleared for 25lbs boost for a limited time in summer of '44 and early '45?

[Richie]

One profile I found where the spinner looks right

http://img.wp.scn.ru/camms/ar/459/pics/2_16_b1.jpg

[DB605]

Some more info about reconstructed K-4: http://www.arsenal-45.de/home_e.html
http://www.messerschmitt-bf109.de/web.php?lang=de&auth=e&name=ueberlebende-ausgabe&flugzeug=144

[Richie]

Thanks DB605

[LcSummers]

[QUOTE=Richie;444721]That's good to know. I wonder if it's being restored to flight or not. Ks had bigger wheels and a touch wider foundation for the gear so they probably were a little less hairy on the ground. Plus the long tail wheel made for a little better vision. Like I said so hard to find pictures of Ks.

I like the wider wheels and the longer tailwheel. Its funny the longer tailwheel should be standard feature on the K-4 but there are some pix of a K-4 (last WK numbers 265) with the short tail wheel. Many were retrofitted in the field. This K-4 was build near Regensburg and transfered to an little airfield near Amberg / Oberpfalz / Bavaria. It was found abondoned there. On this little field test flights were made, when the plane got a go it was transferred to the units.

Oh, now i see, the second link DB sent is the plane wich i meant. Cool.

[LcSummers]

Hi Richie,


look what i have found for the restoring K-4.


There are lots of original parts at hand, that are used for rebuilding the aircraft in a functional display condition.

I think as this is/would be the only K-4 its too risky to loose it.

S!

LC

[Robo.]

Great news about the restoration!

roger, im a 109 lover, but the K4 never impressed me. For starters it was bad ingmae (1946)

K-4 was never bad in 1946, it was the best 109 for high alt ops