IBS, MCD, The furture Nightmare

[5./JG27.Farber]

Irritable Bowel Syndrome.

Mad Cow diesease.

Monsanto...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0uls507hvM

[Chromius]

Interesting, never saw that video before, add it to the thousands of other treasonous and illegal acts being committed by corporations, banks, pharmaceutical co's the govt and others all in the pursuit of wealth, control and depopulation.

Though many do not even realize what they are really doing and are just after the wealth, no matter what the effects.

Monsanto and now milk

eugenicsanddepopulation.blogspot.com

Genetically Modified food hazards

http://www.raw-wisdom.com/50harmful.

[5./JG27.Farber]

The doc said in Europe GM food must be clearly labelled "GM food" yet I have never ever seen one of these labels. :rolleyes:

[Kodoss]

The doc said in Europe GM food must be clearly labelled "GM food" yet I have never ever seen one of these labels. :rolleyes:

But you could also ask Bayer for "meat with chocolade-flavor".
Just go to a food tradeshow, nearly the half of them are chemical industries.

[ATAG_Bliss]

I didn't watch the film, but as someone that grew up on a farm in the midwest (corn and soybean growers) monsanto has a monopoly on things.

Well, like anyone cares, but corn is a grass therefore you used to be able to spray 24d (a weed killer that doesn't kill grass) on the corn and then you'd row crop cultivate to try to get the rest of the weeds. This was pretty standard.

Nowadays - Low and behold monsanto and dekalb come out with genetically altered corn that is resistant to round-up (a weed killer that kills everything including grass). With the introduction to round-up ready corn, you spray once and forget it. No need to cultivate etc. Now, with that said, this is a great invention. But the round-up ready corn has a huge premium. Some farmers didn't want to pay an extra $30-70 per seed bag of it.

Here in lies the problem. Monsanto has a patent on life (specifically their round-up ready products) So when farmer joe's field (standard corn) is right next to bob's field (round up ready corn) and the wind blows and pollinates each others field. You now have round up ready DNA on both fields. Of course, Monsanto now comes in and sues farmer Joe's saying he owes Monsanto for a preminum for having their contaminated corn in his field.

Moral of the story, because of this patent on life - there is 0, nada, zip, zilch farms in the midwest that don't use Round-up ready corn. They control the ENTIRE grain market.

On the other hand you have soybeans. Unlike corn, beans are legumes and their bean pods actually produce a bean that can be replanted into the ground. Well it didn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that if you stored some of your old soybeans after harvest, you could then re-plant them next year. You'd take and have the seed cleaned and store it. Obviously, this was much cheaper than buying bags of seed beans.

Well long story, but the same thing happened with Round-up ready beans. If you don't buy them you will get sued, because, quite frankly, because of the natural wind conditions your field will always be contaminated with round up ready DNA. So everyone in the midwest has fallen suit and there is a 100% round up ready product being grown.

If not, the farmer who's getting away with it is a better spy than the likes that work in the CIA etc. Monsanto is that big, and that bad. But it's just like anything. Do you want to lose everything? Or do you conform and keep on living.

[5./JG27.Farber]

Bliss is there not a law against a monopoly like here in the UK?

[ATAG_Bliss]

Money always wins over justice, and our politicians are well paid for their stupidity. Money can buy anything.

[5./JG27.Farber]

In this video by Stigler 2 reporters got fired for trying to expose monsanto. They took it to court but lost because News doesnt have to be factual?! Low and behold Rupert Murdochs name was involved.



Monsanto and now milk

eugenicsanddepopulation.blogspot.com

[=CfC= Father Ted]

Well, like anyone cares, but corn is a grass therefore you used to be able to spray 24d (a weed killer that doesn't kill grass) on the corn and then you'd row crop cultivate to try to get the rest of the weeds. This was pretty standard.

Nowadays - Low and behold monsanto and dekalb come out with genetically altered corn that is resistant to round-up (a weed killer that kills everything including grass). With the introduction to round-up ready corn, you spray once and forget it. No need to cultivate etc. Now, with that said, this is a great invention. But the round-up ready corn has a huge premium. Some farmers didn't want to pay an extra $30-70 per seed bag of it.

Here in lies the problem. Monsanto has a patent on life (specifically their round-up ready products) So when farmer joe's field (standard corn) is right next to bob's field (round up ready corn) and the wind blows and pollinates each others field. You now have round up ready DNA on both fields. Of course, Monsanto now comes in and sues farmer Joe's saying he owes Monsanto for a preminum for having their contaminated corn in his field.

Moral of the story, because of this patent on life - there is 0, nada, zip, zilch farms in the midwest that don't use Round-up ready corn. They control the ENTIRE grain market.

On the other hand you have soybeans. Unlike corn, beans are legumes and their bean pods actually produce a bean that can be replanted into the ground. Well it didn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that if you stored some of your old soybeans after harvest, you could then re-plant them next year. You'd take and have the seed cleaned and store it. Obviously, this was much cheaper than buying bags of seed beans.

Well long story, but the same thing happened with Round-up ready beans. If you don't buy them you will get sued, because, quite frankly, because of the natural wind conditions your field will always be contaminated with round up ready DNA. So everyone in the midwest has fallen suit and there is a 100% round up ready product being grown.



The things you learn on combat flightsim forums!

I have to admit, as a person of scientific bent, that I thought GM crops were a good idea. When I realised why Monsanto were pushing them (herbicide resistant crops means we can sell more herbicide) I was saddened.

Not all GM is bad though. In the UK we have a government-funded project which is looking at GM wheat which is resistant to aphids through enhanced natural defences. Seems to me that this stuff will feed more people even though it doesn't involve lining the pockets of multi-nationals.

Yet there are still numpty-luddites over here who seek to destroy these tests.

[5./JG27.Farber]

However, as seen in the documentary i posted, they are mixing plant DNA with bacteria DNA. The old way was selective breeding. - A darwinian apporach, nothing added, only taken away. What if i made people with chimp DNA? Its the same thing. It would not happen in nature... Its adding something to the delicate balance of nature. What will be the long term out come? They dont know! Thats the point.

Its worse than the first atom bomb in my opinion, at least with hind sight we know it only made the world slightly dertier... When these rogue genes spread (which they already have) and dominate normal plants and we cant get rid of them - then what? What is going to happen in the future when nearly all the world must pay them for nothing? Imagine I say all the food belongs to me! You must pay me a percentile to make it... Its wrong beyond belief.

Its pandoras box and its open. It cant be reversed!

[Thee_oddball]

capitalism is like professional sports...there's one winner in the end and ALOT of losers :( , the golden rule has never changed :( . I wonder if we could breed greed resistant corn?:) cross corn with a Venus fly trap and program it to eat anything that smells like ivy league and wears a $2000 suit :-)

S!

[BadAim]

That's a crock of S**t. Capitalism is the only market that actually works. Socialism and communism don't work because everything is run by people with great education and no common sense, and thugs, respectively. That's why the US is falling apart as we speak, because it's run by lawyers. If the lawyers weren't running everything, these kinds of things wouldn't happen.

A true free market with modest checks and balances, combined with a plain language legal system and provision for hanging politicians that don't act in the best interest of their constituents would clean up most of the problems.

Not all corporations and large companies are run by greedy people, and not all rich people are greedy, most of them just work hard. and smart.

And what the hell does the golden rule have to do with it?

[ATAG_Bliss]

That's a crock of S**t. Capitalism is the only market that actually works. Socialism and communism don't work because everything is run by people with great education and no common sense, and thugs, respectively. That's why the US is falling apart as we speak, because it's run by lawyers. If the lawyers weren't running everything, these kinds of things wouldn't happen.

A true free market with modest checks and balances, combined with a plain language legal system and provision for hanging politicians that don't act in the best interest of their constituents would clean up most of the problems.

Not all corporations and large companies are run by greedy people, and not all rich people are greedy, most of them just work hard. and smart.

And what the hell does the golden rule have to do with it?

Noone is saying that everyone with a bunch of money is some greedy bastard, but to deny their influence and what they can do with it (power = money) means we'll never have that provision.

You can have all the checks and balances in the world, but you step out of line in the big picture of influential money, you won't be around long.

Society has a hell of a lot of growing up to do before we can ever think about getting rid of corruption on any level. When things cost money, jealousy and greed will always rule the day.

About the only thing we've accomplished since the computer age that's world changing is making more advanced ways to kill people for what we want (weapons, tanks, you name it), finding ways to waste fossil fuels at an astronomical level, and essentially ruining the planet in the long haul.

When 30% of the world starves everyday, I'd hardly call capitalism or any other monetary system doing anything good at all. The only thing that comes from money is greed. Are there good people in the world? Sure there are. Name one millionaire that ever gave away every red cent he owned? He worked his ass off (maybe) to get where he was, because under the system having money means you can have a good life. And because of that system, by nature, every single one of us, unless we feel like doing nothing and dying is greedy. I'll admit it. I could be the good samaritan and make it my life goal to help as many people as possible. But we don't get paid for that. And considering goods have costs, we need to make money to live.

If our goal as a world population isn't about making society a better place, (which it's not by any force of the imagination), then I can see no good in any sort of monetary system at all.

The current world revolves around quick profits and maximizing cash flow. Why do you think a soft drink that's composed of 98% water and mixed with sugars and a whole bunch of other things somehow costs less than a bottle of water in the 1st place? That's why we can have $1 cheeseburger and some lettuce costs you twice the amount.

I go along with it - what else can you do? But to say that capitalism or any other monetary system is ever good for a society is very naive. Money is there for control and power. Every path with it is the same. And just because you have money, doesn't even come close for recognition of someone's intelligence. The 1st problem with society is thinking that in the 1st place.

And if you don't think capitalism is 100% controlled by some of the biggest thugs in the world, I'm at a complete loss. We get what we want by force. We park an aircraft carrier or battle ship out of the coast of some country to get a treaty signed, we put our own leaders in place that follow suit. We get rid of people that don't. If you don't think this goes on all the way at the top of capitalism, then you my friend, need a reality check.

This wasn't an insult/jab or anything at you BadAim. I just don't think our ideas of good or works match up. I think we have the biggest failure the world has ever seen happening right now. And money, especially a capitalistic society is %99.99999999 the cause of it. Btw, I'm not saying any other system is better, because I don't have the answers. But I do know that what we do today is an utter disgrace.

[chantaje]

Great doc, thanks for posting.
in my country in the past 10 years the production of soybeans have increased exponentially. thanks to the "biotech" it become much more profitable than any other use of the land and it replaced cow, grains and all the "traditional" farming. for example the last 2 years we started importing meat, a thing that dont happen in the entire history of the country. great corporations now control great portions of the farming land , they were buying all the "small farmers" land the last years that was more common in the last century.

imo its a great advance of the cience but like any other thing in the world without control and with abuse is destructive..


OT; i found this short vid , i think its interesting when they try to explain the "mentality" of the """" elites"""" , nothing new but this time from the inside
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWe5ZHSSSP0&feature=plcp

[Thee_oddball]

That's a crock of S**t. Capitalism is the only market that actually works. Socialism and communism don't work because everything is run by people with great education and no common sense, and thugs, respectively. That's why the US is falling apart as we speak, because it's run by lawyers. If the lawyers weren't running everything, these kinds of things wouldn't happen.

A true free market with modest checks and balances, combined with a plain language legal system and provision for hanging politicians that don't act in the best interest of their constituents would clean up most of the problems.

Not all corporations and large companies are run by greedy people, and not all rich people are greedy, most of them just work hard. and smart.

And what the hell does the golden rule have to do with it?

sorry bro but Socialism works when properly managed...


Unions in the US are considered socialists even though they represent the working class. In Germany, it’s required for worker representation to be half of board members of companies. In Germany, the industrial and financial sectors are highly regulated keeping jobs from being outsourced and ensuring main street benefits rather than just wall street. According to conservative ideology, this kind of socialist practices and union power should destroy the economy and destroy innovation and yet the complete opposite is the result.

Most Americans, I suspect, believe we're losing manufacturing because we can't compete against cheap Chinese Labor. But Germany has remained a manufacturing giant notwithstanding the rise of East Asia, making high-end products with a workforce that is more unionised and better paid than ours. German exports came to $1.1 trillion in 2009 -- roughly $125 billion more than we exported, though there are just 82 million Germans to our 310 million Americans. Germany's yearly trade balance went from a deficit of $6 billion in 1998 to a surplus of $267 billion in 2008 -- the same year the United States ran a trade deficit of $569 billion. Over those same 10 years, Germany's annual growth rate per capita exceeded ours.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/06/30/AR2010063004199.html


add to the fact that they have a FULLY functioning socialised medical system (Bismarck) and of the 16 states in Germany 11 of them have free college education (hmmm smells like socialism). they want you educated and productive not some unemployable drain on the system.



You will also find that it is not only Germany that does this...

The Nordic model refers to the economic and social models of the Nordic countries (Denmark, Iceland, Norway, Sweden and Finland). This particular adaptation of the mixed market economy is characterised by more generous welfare states (relative to other developed countries), which are aimed specifically at enhancing individual autonomy, ensuring the universal provision of basic human rights and stabilising the economy. It is distinguished from other welfare states with similar goals by its emphasis on maximising labour force participation, promoting gender equality, egalitarian and extensive benefit levels, large magnitude of redistribution, and liberal use of expansionary fiscal policy.This has included high degrees of labour union membership. In 2008, labour union density was 67.5% in Finland, 67.6% in Denmark, and 68.3% in Sweden. In comparison, union membership was 11.9% in the United States and 7.7% in France.[106] The Nordic Model, however, is not a single model with specific components or rules; each of the Nordic countries has its own economic and social models, sometimes with large differences from its neighbours.

socialism is not some freedom ending monster that you have been led to believe it is...

p.s the golden rule? who has the gold rules...and that has not changed

[Thee_oddball]

Noone is saying that everyone with a bunch of money is some greedy bastard, but to deny their influence and what they can do with it (power = money) means we'll never have that provision.

You can have all the checks and balances in the world, but you step out of line in the big picture of influential money, you won't be around long.

Society has a hell of a lot of growing up to do before we can ever think about getting rid of corruption on any level. When things cost money, jealousy and greed will always rule the day.

About the only thing we've accomplished since the computer age that's world changing is making more advanced ways to kill people for what we want (weapons, tanks, you name it), finding ways to waste fossil fuels at an astronomical level, and essentially ruining the planet in the long haul.

When 30% of the world starves everyday, I'd hardly call capitalism or any other monetary system doing anything good at all. The only thing that comes from money is greed. Are there good people in the world? Sure there are. Name one millionaire that ever gave away every red cent he owned? He worked his ass off (maybe) to get where he was, because under the system having money means you can have a good life. And because of that system, by nature, every single one of us, unless we feel like doing nothing and dying is greedy. I'll admit it. I could be the good samaritan and make it my life goal to help as many people as possible. But we don't get paid for that. And considering goods have costs, we need to make money to live.

If our goal as a world population isn't about making society a better place, (which it's not by any force of the imagination), then I can see no good in any sort of monetary system at all.

The current world revolves around quick profits and maximizing cash flow. Why do you think a soft drink that's composed of 98% water and mixed with sugars and a whole bunch of other things somehow costs less than a bottle of water in the 1st place? That's why we can have $1 cheeseburger and some lettuce costs you twice the amount.

I go along with it - what else can you do? But to say that capitalism or any other monetary system is ever good for a society is very naive. Money is there for control and power. Every path with it is the same. And just because you have money, doesn't even come close for recognition of someone's intelligence. The 1st problem with society is thinking that in the 1st place.

And if you don't think capitalism is 100% controlled by some of the biggest thugs in the world, I'm at a complete loss. We get what we want by force. We park an aircraft carrier or battle ship out of the coast of some country to get a treaty signed, we put our own leaders in place that follow suit. We get rid of people that don't. If you don't think this goes on all the way at the top of capitalism, then you my friend, need a reality check.

This wasn't an insult/jab or anything at you BadAim. I just don't think our ideas of good or works match up. I think we have the biggest failure the world has ever seen happening right now. And money, especially a capitalistic society is %99.99999999 the cause of it. Btw, I'm not saying any other system is better, because I don't have the answers. But I do know that what we do today is an utter disgrace.


well said +1