"Friday" Update, April 28, 2012

[BlackSix]

Dear friends,

Yes, we know it's ridiculous. No one is more upset at the situation than us, believe me. You have lives outside flight sims. You have jobs, you have homes. For us, Cliffs of Dover is our life. When we can't get it right, it hurts us. When we are in the constant state of "almost ready", when we break promises week after week, it affects us very deeply.

Unfortunately, even though it looked like we had something releasable this morning, by lunchtime we felt we should work on it more. What we almost released would have been a "DX10 alpha". All the FM changes are there, lots of other great things, FPS and stability improvements, etc.

However, the things that are the current "known issues" are:
· No dynamic low-caliber hit decals showing on aircraft;
· Detached aircraft chunks losing their texture and becoming pitch-black;
· Little particle "dust" that comes out of weapon hits looking like untextured squares;
· Gunsights always white in color;
· No waypoint lines rendered in map or FMB;
· Pilot and Plane models not rendering textures in Options - Pilot and Options - Plane respectively;
· DX9 support not ready for public consumption.

We just felt that this was one known issue too many. The decision was very hard to make. Many team members are unhappy with it, especially those responsible for the parts of the patch that are fully tested and working such as the FM.

I believe however that, rather than presenting ourselves as a team that releases half-finished patches with lots of graphic issues, we should work very hard on building the reputation for making things right, the first time, however long it takes.

We’ll keep providing regular reports.

[5./JG27.Farber]

:( Just :(

[fruitbat]

thanks for the news

[Aer9o]

ok, good, thank you, now we know, good luck and let us know how it is going!

[tintifaxl]

Thanks for the info BlackSix. I agree there is one glitch too many for a release. Enjoy your holidays. :cool:

[ATAG_Snapper]

Thanks for the update, Black Six.

[Kankkis]

Thanks for the info.

[alphasephirot]

Great news to know that its almost done.

I dont mind to wait a little bit more as long as the release is fully functional.
Keep up the good work guys.

Anyway, is there an expected release date?

Bye

[mungee]

Thank you for the update.

I appreciate that these things take time to resolve & estimating WHEN they will be resolved is almost impossibe.

With my IL-2 experience, I have trust in Luthier & his team and as hard as it is, will remain a patient supporter!

[Nephris]

Thanx for the update.
As with the majority, silence means content, dont get bothered too much by those trolling post, as it doesnt represent the main meaning I guess, of course i can speak just for me.

However, I am satisfied with whatever there comes, as I believed the game already be dead in late summer 2011.

Keep it up! Take the time it needs to get it running, release it when it´s done and dont mind trolls.

:)

[Kodoss]

Bad news are also good news...

Thanks for informing us.

[JG53_Valantine]

Thanks for the update BS.
Personally I'd be happy to deal with those "known" issues in the interim for a few weeks if stability / launcher crash issues were fixed since we have been stuck with it for MANY months now - but hayho!
V

[Tavingon]

Fair enough, just keep at it lads!

[Artist]

Completly understandable. I would do exactly the same.

[Toxic]

Thank you for the update and working very hard on making IL2 CoD better! :)

[Bewolf]

Dear friends,

Yes, we know it's ridiculous. No one is more upset at the situation than us, believe me. You have lives outside flight sims. You have jobs, you have homes. For us, Cliffs of Dover is our life. When we can't get it right, it hurts us. When we are in the constant state of "almost ready", when we break promises week after week, it affects us very deeply.

Unfortunately, even though it looked like we had something releasable this morning, by lunchtime we felt we should work on it more. What we almost released would have been a "DX10 alpha". All the FM changes are there, lots of other great things, FPS and stability improvements, etc.

However, the things that are the current "known issues" are:
· No dynamic low-caliber hit decals showing on aircraft;
· Detached aircraft chunks losing their texture and becoming pitch-black;
· Little particle "dust" that comes out of weapon hits looking like untextured squares;
· Gunsights always white in color;
· No waypoint lines rendered in map or FMB;
· Pilot and Plane models not rendering textures in Options - Pilot and Options - Plane respectively;
· DX9 support not ready for public consumption.

We just felt that this was one known issue too many. The decision was very hard to make. Many team members are unhappy with it, especially those responsible for the parts of the patch that are fully tested and working such as the FM.

I believe however that, rather than presenting ourselves as a team that releases half-finished patches with lots of graphic issues, we should work very hard on building the reputation for making things right, the first time, however long it takes.

We’ll keep providing regular reports.

Thanks for the news and the honesty, Black. Get things right first and only then release it.
I guess this is as much a learning expirience for you guys in regards to patch release communication as it is for us a lesson in patience.

I will be honest that right now I would like a rough estimate on how much time it will take to fix those issues, but I suppose you will only risk backslash if it won't work by then as well. However, I agree that by now I even would do with an unfinished patch if that means the stability issues are solved in Multiplayer, I haven't played for a while for that sole reason, with everything else I can live with currently.

Any news on BoM?

[HessleReich]

Sounds good, keep it up till the end, thank-you for the informative update with listed issues.

[III/JG53_Don]

Thanks for the Update! :-)
Perhaps one questions if i may:
Is a new updated version of the sound engine part of the upcoming beta patch?

[PissyChrissy]

I don't post in here very often, but i read the update threads regularly.

And let me say, thanks for the effort. I love CloD, and look forward to it being even better.

As for the stress that the negative sentiments on this board are obviously are obviously having on you, well, you said it yourself. This is your life, whereas the comments are coming from people who are gamers. Serving your customers, in my opinion, stops short of putting up with their abuse, much less taking it to heart.

Just keep up the good work. The vast majority of us appreciate it. It's just the vocal few who have nothing better to do than to flame on the internet over a computer game. Their opinion shouldn't matter to anyone.

[Edit] Besides that, any rational person would see the the validity of a decision to wait until something is done right before releasing something that's wrong just to meet a self imposed timeline.

[JG4_Bendwick]

Then there just no holiday and no holidays for you!


ummh ... just kidding

thx for the update

written by JG4_Widukind

[Madfish]

Yeah these shortcomings should be eliminated first.

Thanks for the update though. :grin:

[Red Dragon-DK]

Thanks for the news. I had hoped you would release the beta so we at least dident had CTD all the time. In my humble view a beta is a beta and you have a choice to use it or wait.

Please make a revote on that issus in the team and mabye you can get more help for tracking other bugs. :)

[RCAF_FB_Orville]

I don't post in here very often, but i read the update threads regularly.

And let me say, thanks for the effort. I love CloD, and look forward to it being even better.

As for the stress that the negative sentiments on this board are obviously are obviously having on you, well, you said it yourself. This is your life, whereas the comments are coming from people who are gamers. Serving your customers, in my opinion, stops short of putting up with their abuse, much less taking it to heart.

Just keep up the good work. The vast majority of us appreciate it. It's just the vocal few who have nothing better to do than to flame on the internet over a computer game. Their opinion shouldn't matter to anyone.

The honesty is appreciated, and welcome. :) Most reasonable people, whilst not expecting perfection from what is a Beta patch, would agree that its worth waiting longer for......in light of the issues noted. Carry on, and best of luck sorting the problems out. We are all on the same side really (though it may not seem that way at times lol) and we all want the same things.

What are you reading this for? Some things need a' fixin. Vamoose! :grin:

[Kupsised]

That seems more than reasonable and understandable, thanks for the info!

[CWMV]

Thanks for the update.

[FFCW_Urizen]

Thanks for those honest infos B6. And don´t mind the trolls.

[Clu43]

Thanks for the info BlackSix. Can't help but feel bad for you guys.,and Luthier. Hopefully things will fall into place soon,and you'll have a nice stable patch to release. Best of luck team.:),were all pull'n for ya.:!::)

[tomandre81]

I am just waiting for something like this one day:

"Sorry guys, no more funding to develop il2: cliffs of dover. See ya!"

[Trumper]

Thanks for the information,it is what people want regardless just to kept informed.

[Walrus1]

Update very much appreciated.

Hearing what bugs you are working on give context and tend to deflate any conspiracy theory about what could be 'the real reason' why the patch has not yet been released.

Don't beat yourself up too much about the delay. Things like this happen when you are building a complicated project. Most people who are following these developments are doing so because they share your vision and enthusiasm for the end product you are working towards.

[SlipBall]

Thanks BlackSix...even bad news is news, and makes the wait more tolerable :grin:

[LcSummers]

I am satisfied with this "update".
Now i know there are enough bugs and you mentioned those. This is an honest answer.

Updates like this are understandable and there is no why not now, where is.....

Thanks and keep your head and the good information up.

S!


Sorry B6, today is Saturday and not Friday!!!!!!!

[palker4]

Those are not minor issues but immersion breaking bugs lol just keep working release the patch when its done.

[JG26_EZ]

Two words..

"Damn" & "Thanks"

[Raggz]

Thanks for the update. It was a good call not releasing it :)

[150GCT_Veltro]

Update is very appreciated but there is somenthing crazy here. How you can work on a sequel, when you are not able (now) to win your battle with the engine? You feel positive and this is good but we are entering in the 14th month.....

At this point would be better say somenthing like: probably October - November 2012 but not a promise.

This waiting, as you says, is going to be really ridiculous.

Take your time, and give us a break with F5.

[[URU]AkeR]

S! B6 and Luthier! take your time, get it right, we still have il21946 that keeps me busy all week

[BadAim]

Yep, good call, that's even a bit much for a beta. Such is the nature of the beast. If you need any Alpha testers, I'm in. :)

Chin up lads, and carry on!

[badaboom]

Black Six,Your honest info on the patch is very much appreciated.I believe you when you say no one feels worse than the team who have worked so hard on it.

And I do agree,The list of bugs is far to great to release without causing a major uproar in the 1C Community.

Maybe some more pics/video of The sequel while we wait? :)

Thank You

[gonk]

Well that is bad news. Thanks for the update and see you in two months.

[furbs]

Im just very sad that the development are having to work so hard, take a few weeks break and start again with fresh minds, nobody here minds waiting for a month or so more.

Thanks very much for your supreme efforts in fixing these "last minute problems" im sure you will overcome them and release the patch when its ready.

when its ready its ready chaps, and not a second before.

Im excited to try the patch with all these improvements.

[chris455]

Black Six- a thought-
First, I commend you and the team for making a difficult decision. I have read many of the posts here, and I believe the majority of the community would rather have a late patch that is perfected, than a rushed patch which is not. So, bravo to you and the team. That fact that you are willing to face the "slings and arrows" of some of those on this board whose sentiments are contrary to the majority shows you truly [I]care[I] about the end result. So do we. Carry on- and keep us informed!
Chris

[jcenzano]

I don't post in here very often, but i read the update threads regularly.

And let me say, thanks for the effort. I love CloD, and look forward to it being even better.

As for the stress that the negative sentiments on this board are obviously are obviously having on you, well, you said it yourself. This is your life, whereas the comments are coming from people who are gamers. Serving your customers, in my opinion, stops short of putting up with their abuse, much less taking it to heart.

Just keep up the good work. The vast majority of us appreciate it. It's just the vocal few who have nothing better to do than to flame on the internet over a computer game. Their opinion shouldn't matter to anyone.

[Edit] Besides that, any rational person would see the the validity of a decision to wait until something is done right before releasing something that's wrong just to meet a self imposed timeline.

AMEN

thanks to B6 and the team

[smink1701]

Now that's a real update. Honest, we know what the issues are and very sincere. I for one would rather have real info on the sim I'm playing now rather than pics of a sim I might buy in the future. Keep your hands on the plow and get er done!

[LoBiSoMeM]

Now that's a real update. Honest, we know what the issues are and very sincere. I for one would rather have real info on the sim I'm playing now rather than pics of a sim I might buy in the future. Keep your hands on the plow and get er done!

+1.

Just work harder and release this patch. We are all waiting and bought this alpha build of CloD.

I know that all this problems are not so big and will be solved, but please keep more regular and specific updates like this and we all will be more confident!

We like to be informed with true words like these. Thanks! ;)

[41Sqn_Banks]

Thanks for the news. Good to hear that it is almost done.

[salmo]

Thankyou for your honesty in your Friday update Blacksix.

23 Mar 2012 Luthier post http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=30683
<snip> The latest patch that has been “almost ready” for months, and it’s even more almost ready today. The graphics rework is basically done. The average framerate has shot up almost twice. Only one relatively minor issue remains that prevents the gunsight, tracers, and bullet decals from being drawn. Of course, this minor technical issue has a huge impact on gameplay, and that is why we cannot release it to the public in its current state.<snip>

13 April BlackSix post http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=31097
We're very glad to announce that the beta patch is largely done. It's going into wide internal testing today, which will last through the weekend and probably a couple of days more. After we make sure nothing is amiss, we'll make the beta patch available to everyone

19 April BlackSix post http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=31264
I have to tell you is very bad news - the current beta version of the patch didn't pass internal test and was sent back for revision. We plan to assemble the new version only at the beginning of the next week.

28 April BlackSix post http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=31604
<snip>However, the things that are the current "known issues" are:
· No dynamic low-caliber hit decals showing on aircraft;
· Detached aircraft chunks losing their texture and becoming pitch-black;
· Little particle "dust" that comes out of weapon hits looking like untextured squares;
· Gunsights always white in color;
· No waypoint lines rendered in map or FMB;
· Pilot and Plane models not rendering textures in Options - Pilot and Options - Plane respectively;
· DX9 support not ready for public consumption.<snip>

Progress is indeed disappointing. It seems that the problem identified by Luthier on 23 Mar remains unresolved after 5 weeks of work. I do not understand how one remaining issue on 23 March has become 7-8 issues on 28 April ? It feels like the patient is beyond rescuscitation.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-DBCGB9tAl3s/ToNS1qGzUgI/AAAAAAAAGL0/GDIw9J9c008/s1600/Never+Give+up.jpg
Is this Luthier & the team trying to rescucitate ClOD?

[lensman1945]

Thanks for the update BS

[Adlerhorst]

I'm a manager not a techie but I do manage techies, so if one gives me this list of issues:
"No dynamic low-caliber hit decals showing on aircraft;
· Detached aircraft chunks losing their texture and becoming pitch-black;
· Little particle "dust" that comes out of weapon hits looking like untextured squares;
· Gunsights always white in color;
· No waypoint lines rendered in map or FMB;
· Pilot and Plane models not rendering textures in Options - Pilot and Options - Plane respectively;
· DX9 support not ready for public consumption".
My question would go like this: -- OK what's the relativity here in terms of magnitude, complexity, importance, time to fix and resources needed? Then I know what to do. I'm happy BS gives us an update, but I don't know how to process it.
I know we have guys here who really know this stuff, so can you help me understand if overall this is a big deal, a BIG deal a REALLY BIG DEAL, a You'll Soil Yourself when You See It or ho hum, just a scratch??
:confused: Over.

[Pudfark]

Thanx for the update Salmo:cool:

Sorta puts BS in perspective..:-P

I do admire BS and the apparent language skills improvement.

A perfect patch would be nice....A good patch sooner, would be nicer.

[ChocsAway]

Thankyou for your honesty in your Friday update Blacksix.

23 Mar 2012 Luthier post http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=30683
<snip> The latest patch that has been “almost ready” for months, and it’s even more almost ready today. The graphics rework is basically done. The average framerate has shot up almost twice. Only one relatively minor issue remains that prevents the gunsight, tracers, and bullet decals from being drawn. Of course, this minor technical issue has a huge impact on gameplay, and that is why we cannot release it to the public in its current state.<snip>

13 April BlackSix post http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=31097
We're very glad to announce that the beta patch is largely done. It's going into wide internal testing today, which will last through the weekend and probably a couple of days more. After we make sure nothing is amiss, we'll make the beta patch available to everyone

19 April BlackSix post http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=31264
I have to tell you is very bad news - the current beta version of the patch didn't pass internal test and was sent back for revision. We plan to assemble the new version only at the beginning of the next week.

28 April BlackSix post http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=31604
<snip>However, the things that are the current "known issues" are:
· No dynamic low-caliber hit decals showing on aircraft;
· Detached aircraft chunks losing their texture and becoming pitch-black;
· Little particle "dust" that comes out of weapon hits looking like untextured squares;
· Gunsights always white in color;
· No waypoint lines rendered in map or FMB;
· Pilot and Plane models not rendering textures in Options - Pilot and Options - Plane respectively;
· DX9 support not ready for public consumption.<snip>

Progress is indeed disappointing. It seems that the problem identified by Luthier on 23 Mar remains unresolved after 5 weeks of work. I do not understand how one remaining issue on 23 March has become 7-8 issues on 28 April ? It feels like the patient is beyond rescuscitation.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-DBCGB9tAl3s/ToNS1qGzUgI/AAAAAAAAGL0/GDIw9J9c008/s1600/Never+Give+up.jpg
Is this Luthier & the team trying to rescucitate ClOD?

Good post that can't really be argued with (someone will though!).

However, thanks for this update which even though disappointing is much better than nothing.

[Krt_Bong]

It's not unusual to have one thing fixed and something else breaks and since there is a wide variety in PC builds to have one machine run it fine while another similar one have issues, can be simple as Drivers, it is always a tedious process. I appreciate that at least they can tell us what they are working on.

[Plt Off JRB Meaker]

Thx for the update B6,keep at itI'm sure when it's done it will be fantastic.

The new flight models sound great.

[kendo65]

Disappointing for us, and undoubtedly frustrating for the dev team.

To the devs - please take encouragement from the generally supportive and mature reaction from the community in this thread and continue to keep us informed of how things are progressing. It makes a difference when we know what the situation is.

Thanks, and have a good holiday.

[mazex]

Thanks Ilya (cause even though B6's English is improving I have a very strong feeling that he did not write this text ;))

Take the holiday off to reload the batteries and let's hope half of the team doesn't gets ill which often happens to me after weeks of constant work when I get some days off to rest :)

/mazex

[jibo]

well some serious DX10 rendering issues and no DX9 support that's quite a big deal :/
hopefully you'll get your life back one day

[ACE-OF-ACES]

Dear friends,

Yes, we know it's ridiculous. No one is more upset at the situation than us, believe me. You have lives outside flight sims.
No worries most of us adults here realize S happens.. Especially in the software world! Just keep up the good work

[FG28_Kodiak]

I do not understand how one remaining issue on 23 March has become 7-8 issues on 28 April ?

If you were a professional Software developer, you never would ask this question. :rolleyes:

[SG1_Mino]

b6 ok i understand the cod situation but i think the graphic problem are minor problem. Today the cod have a estructural problem. (launcher crash).

Maybe you must think that its better put the alpha patch that wait to finish the patch.

lot people we are so tired that when i´m playing the Fuc_ windows message because normaly launcher crash when you are in the most important momment.

If your can launch the patches and say that is an alpha will be better.

one friendme that he´s 53 sayme that if i can ask you :
Will I see the patch one day?

Thanks

[Luftwaffepilot]

I told you so, I told you so, I told you so, I told you so, I told you so, I told you so, I told you so, I told you so, I told you so, I told you so, I told you so, I told you so, I told you so, I told you so, I told you so, I told you so, I told you so,

Sry, but I had to.


@ Blacksix: Why mess around with DX 9, almost everybody uses windows 7, some use vista, but XP users are the minority, and those do not have the PC power anyway, so pls drop DX 9 support, it's meaningless.

[Falstaff]

FG28 Kodiak said:

>>If you were a professional Software developer, you never would ask this question. <<

Do you mind if I ask you why? Could you please help explain? Thanks....

[ACE-OF-ACES]

FG28 Kodiak said:

>>If you were a professional Software developer, you never would ask this question. <<

Do you mind if I ask you why? Could you please help explain? Thanks....
And if you do, please take it to PM!

Lets keep this weekly updates clean guys! Thanks!

[Rowddy]

thanks for the info i'm realy pleased that you guys are working so hard to get it right and strongly believe your course of action not to release it atm, is the only correct course. It takes courage to tell the truth rather then lie about it.

Regards Rowddy.

[badfinger]

I work in the aerospace industry. Emphasis on the "space" part. There, schedule should never trump quality.

You are doing exactly the right thing to wait, Blacksix.

Binky9

[ACE-OF-ACES]

I work in the aerospace industry. Emphasis on the "space" part. There, schedule should never trump quality.
Funny that is just what we use to say when I worked for TRW (now NGST) back and Space Park! S!

[addman]

Thanks for the update B6! Looking forward to Battle of Mo...ehr! the patch! I mean looking forward to the patch.:)

[senseispcc]

The patch is for later and is each Friday a little later... until it interests no one anymore.:rolleyes: A little patience, maybe!:!:

[Bricks]

This list of bugs are no small issues.

I wonder under what circumstances you can say it's almost finished?

[Phantom77]

Thanks for the update Black Six ! I know how the team feels about the pressure to release a patch to get the game at a working condition. I'm a Millwright and sometimes the production departement want his machine running right now but stranges bugs are sometimes hard to figure out and even harder when the bugs are software related. Keep the good work and results will shows soon or later !

[Gourmand]

We’ll keep providing regular reports.
thanks for communication, it's a unusual quality for developper.

[TonyD]

Thanks for the update, BlackSix. Much appreciated.

[Osprey]

It's not unusual to have one thing fixed and something else breaks and since there is a wide variety in PC builds to have one machine run it fine while another similar one have issues, can be simple as Drivers, it is always a tedious process. I appreciate that at least they can tell us what they are working on.

This is why you write in unit tests so that you can see what is broken when it's built. I honestly don't know if they put in any unit testing, maybe not, and this can be potentially costly when problems are found late.

[Bob_Marley]

Good post that can't really be argued with (someone will though!).

However, thanks for this update which even though disappointing is much better than nothing.

+1

[MBF]

Progress is indeed disappointing. It seems that the problem identified by Luthier on 23 Mar remains unresolved after 5 weeks of work. I do not understand how one remaining issue on 23 March has become 7-8 issues on 28 April ?
It is normal. If everything is working except a few things and those things HAVE to work, there is no other choice than to go back and "break" other things to try to solve the issue, then redo the newly broken things.

It is like walking a maze and realizing that you are almost at the exit point BUT there is a wall in front of you and you have to find another path. Very frustrating. :(

[baronWastelan]

It's a stunning update. Knowing the difficulties in completing The Patch, it seems incredible that 1C:MG were able to get a beautiful and playable game out last year. The CloD Cup is half full and I'm very grateful!

[nakedsquirrel]

Thanks for the update. Good luck getting the new graphics engine to work.

[Atreides]

Thanks for the honest way in which you present your updates. Good luck completing the patch.

[Jatta Raso]

truth doesn't hurt

[_YoYo_]

Pity, but ok, better to give to us complet patch than buggy beta mod.

[SIDWULF]

Ok im reinstalling CLOD, i'm not waiting anymore to have some fun with this sim. Patch or no patch i'm taking to the skies. :cool:

[Chivas]

It is normal. If everything is working except a few things and those things HAVE to work, there is no other choice than to go back and "break" other things to try to solve the issue, then redo the newly broken things.

It is like walking a maze and realizing that you are almost at the exit point BUT there is a wall in front of you and you have to find another path. Very frustrating. :(


+1 Exactly...this appears to be the hardest thing to understand about debugging software.... a fix for one thing can break two or more others. Its a constant struggle of test, rewrite, test, rewrite, until it works. There are no foolproof checklists to get things done in this type of work. The critical factor here is that they appear to have solved the performance, stability issues which were the issues that could easily have killed the series.

[6BL Bird-Dog]

Thanks for the update Black Six & the explination of the bugs holding up the patch.

[Sutts]

Great update Blacksix, it really helps to keep the speculation at bay.

Many of us do appreciate the complexity of your work and I'm quite prepared to wait for the goodies. Enjoy your break.

[tintifaxl]

Ok im reinstalling CLOD, i'm not waiting anymore to have some fun with this sim. Patch or no patch i'm taking to the skies. :cool:

That's the spirit! :grin:

[Slayer]

Seems like every developer that jumped on the DX10 bandwagon had these same kinds of problems...that is unless your a super huge company. Some of the blame IMO goes to Microsoft , Nvidia and ATI. They won't deal with you unless it's going to be a million selling title. Just little snippets of text I've seen from various developers suggest this.

Hellgate London, Age of Conan, Cliffs of Dover and a few others all come to mind.

[SiThSpAwN]

Thanks B6, know and understand a greater percentage of people appreciate you and the team!

[Triggaaar]

Thanks for the update.We just felt that this was one known issue too many.Looks like a few issues too many.

[Taff in Exile]

Thanks Black6

[Wolf_Rider]

Thanks for the heads up, B6... and thanks to the community for their support

[jethejr]

Funny that there was once a hit by the developers ...
They released an unfinished simulator that was a total flop so far.

A simulator that would have everything to be the game of the decade and is still growing disappointment in his growing admirers.

I'm hoping that other companies develop similar simulators for the CLOD has the 1C can have choice and competition, so maybe that would work so make something work.

I and many others are very disappointed

Sorry but I had the sincerity to speak up and make some questions and Luthier For Team perguntand that I have been a long time.

Why do not you guys release a DLC expasion Battle of Brithan? The result is that the story is covered start and End . This would include all aircraft that were present and of course all flyable

My point: That way the audience cheer as well as admiring the IL-2 Series vcs could profit a little more and perhaps thereby further enhance the team. I do not see the team's will make their fans be happy thereby maintaining its credibility.

Why do not you have thought this line?

I just can not understand the philosophy of 1C ....

Sry about my english

[djwolters]

Gents,

I just want to say that I admire your persistence in adversity, your dedication to perfection, and the courage to go on with reporting to your player-base.

Love the weekly reports: Even when only problems are listed, this increases my appreciation for the complexity of this sim.

Carry on!

[=FI=Scott]

So the competition can breathe a sigh of relief at not getting 'crushed' for the next (insert best guess) then ?

A team that gets it right first time......???? Come on, wake up. I appreciate the honesty but it certainly doesn't make it any prettier.

[ytareh]

Thanks.

[Bob_Marley]

Hey come on people lets no be negative here there gunna fix it soon so be cool. :cool:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L3HQMbQAWRc

[StkNRdr]

Not releasing was the right decision. Too bad the good parts could not be released separately but they are probably dependent on other things. Keep working the problems, you'll get there.

[beepee]

I am just waiting for something like this one day:

"Sorry guys, no more funding to develop il2: cliffs of dover. See ya!"I think were already seeing this-dont you think it strange that we keep being fobbed off.???

[335th_GRAthos]

Thank you Blacksix and 1C Team.

I appreciate the effort it took you to write this and I appreciate to read an honest explanation of the problems that have not been solved (yet) - instead of hearing the "almost ready", "here are some videos of how a tank may drive", etc. etc.

If I am happy, well I am not happy that I do not have a ready, working 100% percent, fantastic game.
But, I am very happy for many other reasons:
- I have a life (and it is not CoD)
- I know that you are working on CoD
- I know that one day CoD will be a ready, working 100% percent, fantastic game.
- I know there will be a sequel later

:)


~S~

[bw_wolverine]

Thank you for letting us know the extent of the issues holding back the patch. It should do a lot to keep people calm as they wait, knowing that it's not just a tiny thing that needs doing.

Keep up the work, 1C Maddox! We'll keep flying.

[Icebear]

Unfortunately, even though it looked like we had something releasable this morning, by lunchtime we felt we should work on it more. What we almost released would have been a "DX10 alpha".

:shock: ridiculous... meanwhile we are back on alpha status! We were really lucky today !

[Swoop]

Thanks for the details which really helps understand the current situation. I'd rather wait longer and have a better sim which will in turn will attract more flyers.

[F19_Klunk]

My question would go like this: -- OK what's the relativity here in terms of magnitude, complexity, importance, time to fix and resources needed? Then I know what to do. I'm happy BS gives us an update, but I don't know how to process it.

MG have not been able to assess this for the past 6 months, and I am quite certain they cannot asses it this time around either. My suggestion for us all is to stop standing on our toes in anticipation for am imminent release and just face facts; words such as "almost", "soon" have no bearing. The patch will be finished when it's finished. I can only feel sorry for the team.. must be hell...

[Talon89]

Now you're looking for sympathy for having to work hard?

This is just sad. I think we've all had things go sideways on us at work, but complaining about how hard life is to your customers is usually frowned upon. So is over-promising and under-delivering. Just get the stupid thing done.

[Towarisch]

Hi Black 6.

Thanks for the news, and for your information. Take your time what you need for the patch ( and team ).

AND ignore the people how make the Cliffs of Dover bad.

Then programming a Simulation and not only a ARCADE Flight Software

---------NEEEEDS TIIIIIME-------------


Thank you for your answer Black Six, and have a nice lloooong weeekend;):):)


Towarisch

[Chivas]

I think were already seeing this-dont you think it strange that we keep being fobbed off.???

There is no doubt the investors and beancounters could step in and stop the project at any moment. There is no chance in the world the developers are purposely fobbing us off, as that would cost the investors money and the developers their jobs. Delaying the release doesn't increase sales, there will be no more sales until the game engine is fixed and the Sequel is released. The sooner thats done the happier everyone will be. Assuming the developer is just screwing us around is just well, screwy.

[pupaxx]

Thank you Blacksix and 1C Team.

I appreciate the effort it took you to write this and I appreciate to read an honest explanation of the problems that have not been solved (yet) - instead of hearing the "almost ready", "here are some videos of how a tank may drive", etc. etc.

If I am happy, well I am not happy that I do not have a ready, working 100% percent, fantastic game.
But, I am very happy for many other reasons:
- I have a life (and it is not CoD)
- I know that you are working on CoD
- I know that one day CoD will be a ready, working 100% percent, fantastic game.
- I know there will be a sequel later

:)





~S~



+1 exactly my point of view

[Kobold10]

After all honest words of hard work and little improvement.
That´s the way we are all used to it...
I don´t understand why erverybody is so keen on geting a new FM. I think if the guys solve the communication´s problem the sim is o.k. to me. The only thing that shakes me is the fact that I cannot give orders to my wingmen....
After all we have to wait until the dev´s get the thing done. Looking forward to get real improvements.

[kevchenco]

Keep up the good work guys!

When it comes to product delivery poor quality always gets remembered longer than late delivery.

Have a good holiday

[Hooves]

The only thing I can think of, is What the hell is going on inside 1C? This isn't a 1 month or 2 month delay, this has been a YEAR +.

To even let on that the patch was "close" and then yank the chain out from under everyone, is plain bad public relations.

Im no programmer, but I do understand, under promise and over deliver. Something that 1C has down pat, just backwards.

In my profession, there comes a time where enough is enough, and if you dont have a working product after you have failed to meet deadline after deadline after deadline after deadline. You get...........you guessed it.......FIRED.

The only thing keeping you afloat right now 1C is your market (or lack thereof). But don't use that as an excuse to fail repeatedly, at some point your customers will leave. (I fear sooner than later).


Get your fricken act together 1C.

[GF_Mastiff]

you guys do know that DX11 is dead and you should be using api plugin DX10.1. MS found it to unstable them-selves and released DX11 quickly.

http://gizmodo.com/5368037/directx-101-vs-directx-11-can-you-see-the-difference

[AKA_Tenn]

seems to me the issues left aren't big ones, since this is basically a whole new build, not just that, going from dx9 to (more officially) dx10, and since their making it far more multi-core intensive, it makes sense it's taking this long...

personally I'm glad they were willing to tell us most of what they have left to work on, so at least we have some idea how close they are...

issues like white gunsights aren't a big deal, but missing textures and blocky things stand out way too much

[MegOhm]

Black Six,Your honest info on the patch is very much appreciated.I believe you when you say no one feels worse than the team who have worked so hard on it.

And I do agree,The list of bugs is far to great to release without causing a major uproar in the 1C Community.

Maybe some more pics/video of The sequel while we wait? :)

Thank You



Thanks for the update and info...

Pics/Videos of the Sequel? I'd rather see some pics/videos from COD with the new Graphics engine....

How about some of those B6?

[JG5_emil]

Frustrating but honest is better than nothing.

Thanks anyway.

E

[fifi]

Better late than never! ;)

Was the best wise decision...make no sense to release an unfinished "buggy" patch.

I'll be still there when time will come :grin:
Good luck with your hard work!

PS: will the AI be adjusted?

[tk471138]

Thanks for keeping the lines of communication open, and thanks for giving us the inside scoop on why the beta patch can not be released.


again thanks for communicating

[louisv]

I have been in that kind of cruncher a couple of times, its tough.

Thanks for the update, honest and to the point. And BlackSix, your english has improved a lot ;)

[tarks]

Man. I can not believe how long everything takes with this company. Even a small company would have done alot more then this , I really just think the key people doing the work have no idea.

[kyletiernan]

Thanks for the info, keep doing what you guys are doing and we will have a fantastic patch!

[AKA_Scorp]

I am sorry to hear the patch is not ready but I think you are making the correct decision by holding off.

[Thee_oddball]

thnx for the update, have you tried having 64 players vs 64 AI craft in any of your tests?

[major_setback]

Thanks for the update B6 and team.

It seems that whenever you fix something it just causes newer problems. It must be very frustrating.
Good luck with it.

[Thee_oddball]

Thanks for the update and info...

Pics/Videos of the Sequel? I'd rather see some pics/videos from COD with the new Graphics engine....

How about some of those B6?

here ya go..and i think you will like the new sounds aswell;):-P

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYsLvdSmKQI

[Highwayman-Ed]

Thanks for the info, at least we're not in the dark and sat wondering what is going on.

[Peaveywolf]

Update is very appreciated but there is somenthing crazy here. How you can work on a sequel, when you are not able (now) to win your battle with the engine? You feel positive and this is good but we are entering in the 14th month.....

At this point would be better say somenthing like: probably October - November 2012 but not a promise.

This waiting, as you says, is going to be really ridiculous.

Take your time, and give us a break with F5.

Because they both go hand in hand. Modellers work on the sequal, coders work on the errr code for the engine. two different jobs entirely. Takes as long as its takes to get it spot on.

[Peaveywolf]

Thanks for the update and info...

Pics/Videos of the Sequel? I'd rather see some pics/videos from COD with the new Graphics engine....

How about some of those B6?

Because they are re-coding the engine, not changing the graphics.

[Ali Fish]

Because they both go hand in hand. Modellers work on the sequal, coders work on the errr code for the engine. two different jobs entirely. Takes as long as its takes to get it spot on.

ehh no. we payed them so they could have a future and thus make what they want whilst we wait around like idiots 12+ months for a fix for somthing that should not have gotten anywhere near retail market place. illegal non working game thats what clod is.

check the dev sniggering behind his desk void from having to account for himself!

[aus3620]

dang! yep, too many bugs to let it through at this stage. i am confident that the "Clod" series will be a flight sim masterpiece at some point. unfortunately, masterpieces are not produced overnight.

[Skoshi Tiger]

ehh no. we payed them so they could have a future and thus make what they want whilst we wait around like idiots 12+ months for a fix for somthing that should not have gotten anywhere near retail market place. illegal non working game thats what clod is.

check the dev sniggering behind his desk void from having to account for himself!

Not "we" kimosabe! You maybe, but I've spent the last year enjoying flying the COD.

I been spending my time exploring the highly detailed environment. Nap-of-the-earth flying in COD is probably the best low level flying in any combat air Simulation bar NONE. When I get to turn the trees up a few notches it will be enven better! I've been getting my butt kicked big time on ATAG (Just getting my bullet shreaded plane back on the field is a major victory for me :) ) I suppose they don't call us the Fifteen minuters for nothing.

Through the help of the very positive and supportive elements in our community I've been able to enguage in ground attack missions using the Blenhiem, getting right out of my comfort zone, but have gained a real feeling of accomplishment being able to get my bombs on target and if i'm really lucky get home in one peice.

I very sorry for you that you feel you've been wasting your time with COD. Lifes too way too short too waste. I hope you find something you enjoy doing and can immerse yourself in.

[BigC208]

This is what worries me. Il2CoD graphics engine is not optimized. They optimize the graphics engine so framerate doubles.... All the things that slowed the graphics engine down are now porked. They're going to fix all the graphical problems one by one. By the time it's all fixed we'll have the old framerates back. To be honest, if that's the case I'ts cool with me aslong as the stutters and slowdowns are gone. Thanks for the update.

I wonder if it's the DX10 or D9 version that's giving them headaches. Maybe time to abandon the legacy systems and concentrate on the future. This trying to cater to the common denominator is hobbling progress.

[StormBat71]

Listen I would have been really upset if you did put the patch out with all those known issues. I just wanted to say I feel your frustration and I respect and appreciate the update, It is what it is and once you exorcise the demons that are possessing it right now I know this will truly be the best combat fight sim to date and for years to come. So thanks for the update I'm sending you positive energy and thoughts and feel this will all be worth the wait.

[Rince]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2P86C-1x3o

Thanks for the update!
I hope the patch will not match the marriage of a good friend, the release of Duke Nukem`3 or the end of the world!

Just kidding, keep up the work!

[Freycinet]

ehh no. we payed them so they could have a future and thus make what they want whilst we wait around like idiots 12+ months for a fix for somthing that should not have gotten anywhere near retail market place. illegal non working game thats what clod is.

check the dev sniggering behind his desk void from having to account for himself!

Just asking: is this kind of posting legit in this forum? Very harsh attacks on fans and developers alike.

[tk471138]

This is what worries me. Il2CoD graphics engine is not optimized. They optimize the graphics engine so framerate doubles.... All the things that slowed the graphics engine down are now porked. They're going to fix all the graphical problems one by one. By the time it's all fixed we'll have the old framerates back. To be honest, if that's the case I'ts cool with me aslong as the stutters and slowdowns are gone. Thanks for the update.

I wonder if it's the DX10 or D9 version that's giving them headaches. Maybe time to abandon the legacy systems and concentrate on the future. This trying to cater to the common denominator is hobbling progress.


while i agree with you about the catering to the LCD, it would be impossible for them to remove support for direct x and thus everyone who uses win xp, (which used to be me up until the end up December of last year) At this point with the game box saying you can use Win xp (sp3) when someone new comes along installs the game and steam updates it to the latest patch, and all of a sudden the game is longer supported for win xp....its just a big fiasco...

In fact just looking at the game box, direct x 9.0c is mentioned three times in the system requirements...that would be pretty bad and akin to false advertising...they would have to produce stickers and mail them out to the retailers and manufactures to put over the old requirements change the package...but you would also have alot of customers who are essentially cheated out...

[159th_Jester]

I wonder if it's the DX10 or D9 version that's giving them headaches. Maybe time to abandon the legacy systems and concentrate on the future. This trying to cater to the common denominator is hobbling progress.


Since the sim is marketed as being compatible with DX9 and 10, it would probably break a whole stack of consumer laws to render those "legacy" systems unsuable with CloD.

[Chivas]

ehh no. we payed them so they could have a future and thus make what they want whilst we wait around like idiots 12+ months for a fix for somthing that should not have gotten anywhere near retail market place. illegal non working game thats what clod is.

check the dev sniggering behind his desk void from having to account for himself!

Interesting thought, but highly unlikely, their investors would have pulled the plug along time ago if that was the case.

[tarks]

The most worrying thing about this update is they still havent got DX9 to work? Really? DX9 is outdated.

Reading this update screams to me that this patch will be a long way away from release.

[Insuber]

.

Reading this update screams to me that this patch will be a long way away from release.

Not necessarily so. Imho debugging is like hitting a big stone with a hammer. You hit it for 100 times and nothing happens, the 101st time the stone breaks up.

Have a nice weekend!

[tarks]

It's not anything to to with B6 , but I think the information the devs tell him to tell us is just so we shut up for another week. How did they go from saying the patch will be out in a few more days with everything running well to a list of new game stopping bugs.

I think they just tell us what we want to hear.

[bongodriver]

I think they just tell us what we want to hear.


Interesting.....I thought everybody wanted to hear the patch is ready and released.

[strom32]

That's so much better knowing exactly what they are working on. Now we can share the understanding and not fret over unknowns. It would be important to get those issues corrected before release, I agree. Still wanting to spend my $ on buying CoD, but holding back until it's done.

[darktatka]

Well, I just hope the DEVs realize that almost whole market interested in The Sequel already bought CloD and will REALLY think twice about putting their money on the table until CloD is in usable state. I know I will.

The news are in fact good news, for these reasons:
a) There is big change in general attitude of PR. From cocky to humble. You learned a lot about dealing with angry customers.
b) It is written in English, which as well shows respect to customers (previous messages came across as "look, we couldn't be bothered to hire a person who can write proper English". Kudos to B6 for learning quickly).
c) It does not make false promises.

I'm happy with that.

Anyway, my advice - think small, bite smaller bites. Fix one thing in a month. Ship it. Fix other thing. Ship it.

Is hurricane radiator wrongly initialized? Fix it. Ship it.

Regular (however trivial) updates once a month are better then one year of promises of The Patch. You chose reliable update delivering platform (Steam) and not taking any advantages of it.

I'd rather bitch about having to update AGAIN then about not being able to update at all.

[PotNoodles]

Dear friends,

I believe however that, rather than presenting ourselves as a team that releases half-finished patches with lots of graphic issues, we should work very hard on building the reputation for making things right, the first time, however long it takes.

We’ll keep providing regular reports.

Thanks for the good honest update nobody can complain about that. The only thing I would like to know, if it's at all possible to answer it right now, is will the list of problems you mention be serious enough to put the patch on hold for months? I see that you have said: "However long it takes" and this is why I think it may not be a straight forward fix, but I know nothing about programming. I know it would be silly to give time frames in here, but just saying it's going to take quite sometime nobody can argue with that. Thankyou!!

[Kankkis]

Thanks for the good honest update, nobody can complain about that. The only thing I would like to know, if it's at all possible to answer is will the list of problems you mention be serious enough to put the patch on hold for months? I saw that you have said: "However long it takes" and this is why I think it may not be a straight forward fix. I know it would be silly to give time frames in here, but just saying it's going to take quite sometime nobody can argue with that. Thankyou!!

Agreed, it's beta and we know those problems, i can live with those problems and happy if they are fixed in official patch :grin:

[bongodriver]

Well, I just hope the DEVs realize that almost whole market interested in The Sequel already bought CloD and will REALLY think twice about putting their money on the table until CloD is in usable state. I know I will.



The whole point people miss with this one is the is no sequel without a 'working' engine, there is no suggestion of the sequel being sold before the COD patches because the patches are what is intended to make a 'working' engine, there has been 'no' suggestion that the sequel will have to be purchased to get the COD patch, but the sequel 'will' bring extra features to COD as a merged instalation....hopefully the dynamic weather everyone wants etc.

[Volksieg]

The whole point people miss with this one is the is no sequel without a 'working' engine, there is no suggestion of the sequel being sold before the COD patches because the patches are what is intended to make a 'working' engine, there has been 'no' suggestion that the sequel will have to be purchased to get the COD patch, but the sequel 'will' bring extra features to COD as a merged instalation....hopefully the dynamic weather everyone wants etc.

+ 1

Of course..... you can type the above till the cows come home..... there will still be those who don't get the point. :D No fixed Cliffs of Dover = No sequel. Just as there will always be those out there who will never grasp the fact that it would be disastrous to force 3D Modellers or mission designers to fix code. :D I imagine some of the people on this forum waiting for a bus and, when the bus doesn't turn up on time, haranguing the nearest street sweeper and asking him why he isn't driving them to their destination. :D

"Excuse me, Ambulance driver! I've been waiting for this Big Mac for 20 minutes and now my fries have gone cold!" :D

[Kobold10]

Thanks mate. Great vid.
What type of Spitfire is it? (Mk Vb ore Mk IX)? Sorry I am not a pro...

[Falstaff]

Freycinet said:

>>Just asking: is this kind of posting legit in this forum? Very harsh attacks on fans and developers alike. <<

Good point. I think it falls below the high standards set by youself and others, here and elsewhere. If only more would follow your example, there would be much less nonsense on this forum.

[Falstaff]

Bongodriver:

>>The whole point people miss with this one is the is no sequel without a 'working' engine, there is no suggestion of the sequel being sold before the COD patches because the patches are what is intended to make a 'working' engine, <<

Nicely put. If only more people knew where they were going wrong!

>>there has been 'no' suggestion that the sequel will have to be purchased to get the COD patch<<

Absolutely no suggestion. Correct, again.

>>but the sequel 'will' bring extra features to COD as a merged instalation....hopefully the dynamic weather everyone wants etc.<<

That's good. Many people have started to doubt the process after the length of time involved, and re-assurances liek this,w ith accurate predictions, are just what this forum needs to 'settle the troops.'

Respectfully, perhaps a Mod might consider turning your posts into a Sticky, or at least gathering them all into once place. Liek Chivas, you seem to have the knack of knowing what's going on at any given time, and it would make a useful reference point for those looking for the main facts from a single source.

We appreciate the energy that you and a few others are putting into all your posts. Please do not think it goes unnoticed by the silent majority.

[bongodriver]

Thanks Ben, your new found support is great, perhaps you could share the process involved that gave you the massive jump in I.Q. to some of our less fortunate whin.....I mean members.

[csThor]

b) It is written in English, which as well shows respect to customers (previous messages came across as "look, I'm a paid representative and I'm not even bothered to write proper English") .


You realize you're a bit unfair to BlackSix who is from Russia and was initially tasked with liasing with the russian community only? Who admitted he needed an online translator to understand what we say right in one of his very first posts here? Who is, according to his own words, not working with the programmers but does his own work for the yet to be announced sequel and therefor needs to be given information by luthier so he can post anything?

Hell, Germany has a foreign minister whose english is an abonimation and an embarrassment to my nation! And you complain about not-so-perfect English used for posting news on a flight sim message board? ;)

[Falstaff]

I will try if it would help....? After all, we do not want people left with a misguided impression of where things stand. That would only undo some of the many hours of hard work put in by some of the more frequent posters, and it would be a shame to see such energy go to waste. Let's capitalise on what we have, and build, build, build....

[bongodriver]

Exellent

[csThor]

After all, we do not want people left with a misguided impression of where things stand.

Many people don't need help with the "misguiding", they manage to do that fine on their own. It would do wonders if people read what was written instead of what they want to read or stop posting knee-jerk replies when things don't match their expectations. That would go a long way in pacifying this board without throwing out bans like confetti on a carnival parade. :)

[Falstaff]

Bongodriver: there we are then, joined in a positive plan of action.

Please do not think it rude if I point out, respectfully, that 'exellent' does, in fact, contain a 'c'.

Thus: 'excellent.'

(A minor blemish on an otherwise spotless record)

[darktatka]

You realize you're a bit unfair to BlackSix who is from Russia and was initially tasked with liasing with the russian community only? Who admitted he needed an online translator to understand what we say right in one of his very first posts here? Who is, according to his own words, not working with the programmers but does his own work for the yet to be announced sequel and therefor needs to be given information by luthier so he can post anything?

Hell, Germany has a foreign minister whose english is an abonimation and an embarrassment to my nation! And you complain about not-so-perfect English used for posting news on a flight sim message board? ;)

Maybe tinsy winsy bit unfair. Call me a grammar nazi.

It was not meant against B6, but more against how 1C chose to represent itself on forums and I stand behind my point. I'll edit my previous post to convey the message better.

On the other hand, I was quiet when it was horrible, now, when it got MUCH better, I felt obliged to say it is appreciated and how it felt before.

[bongodriver]

Bongodriver: there we are then, joined in a positive plan of action.

Please do not think it rude if I point out, respectfully, that 'exellent' does, in fact, contain a 'c'.

Thus: 'excellent.'

(A minor blemish on an otherwise spotless record)


Oh I'm sorry for that Ben, I am embarrassed to have to admit from a previous post I mentioned the possibility I have mild dislexia, the truthfull shame is it is true, as you can imagine it is a heavy cross to bear in the presence of such admiring people.

[csThor]

Well, under the current publishing-deal it would have to be Ubisoft who deals with the international customers. Call me a cynic but I actually prefer 1C's not-really-perfect english to Ubisoft's slick and polished but essentially meaningless PR platitudes. ;)

[darktatka]

Well, pick your poison :)

[Ploughman]

Sounds enormously frustrating, being so close but yet having the product so visually buggy. Another week won't kill us, and thanks for filling us in on what the issues are. Bad news is much better than no news. I had a go on CloD yesterday, first time in a long time, and I'd forgotten how immersive the game is, how beautifully rendered the cockpits are, and how friggin' annoying the stutters are. With a slicker graphics engine (and the rest) the game's going to be simply superb.

[tarks]

Gotta love everyone patience. But it wont be a week , two weeks or a month. It'll be a few months away going by the sound of it before the patch will be out - most likely followed very quickly by the expansion.

[strom32]

Gotta love everyone patience. But it wont be a week , two weeks or a month. It'll be a few months away going by the sound of it before the patch will be out - most likely followed very quickly by the expansion.

Yeh I agree this is more realistic and the advantage of posting the truth of the matter to users. We can set realistic expectations and give it more time than a it should be here next week type of judgement.

[Falstaff]

Bongodriver:

>>Oh I'm sorry for that Ben, I am embarrassed to have to admit from a previous post I mentioned the possibility I have mild dislexia, the truthfull shame is it is true, as you can imagine it is a heavy cross to bear in the presence of such admiring people. <<

While I might cynically doubt the truth of this from others, or think that they might be speaking for effect or sympathy - or be suffering from moral or emotional dyslexia - all such doubts are pushed aside when I see your name attached to the post. How brilliantly you overcome your impediments, without rancour or bitterness.

[bongodriver]

Bongodriver:

>>Oh I'm sorry for that Ben, I am embarrassed to have to admit from a previous post I mentioned the possibility I have mild dislexia, the truthfull shame is it is true, as you can imagine it is a heavy cross to bear in the presence of such admiring people. <<

While I might cynically doubt the truth of this from others, or think that they might be speaking for effect or sympathy - or be suffering from moral or emotional dyslexia - all such doubts are pushed aside when I see your name attached to the post. How brilliantly you overcome your impediments, without rancour or bitterness.

it's true I havn't been as open about my condition like raaaid perhaps, for this I am ashamed.
does this mean were not friends any more? I will get a full check from a doctor if you like, just please don't leave me.

[irR4tiOn4L]

Thankyou for the update Blacksix, personally I do not believe promises broken for good reasons are anything to be ashamed of as long as the lesson is taken in stride and stakeholders are duly informed (as you have done).

Life is an uncertain and fallible thing. We should not make it more so. When setbacks occur and are taken in stride under the best of intentions, that to me is worth far more than careless perfection.

[Falstaff]

Bongodriver said:

>>it's true I havn't been as open about my condition like raaaid perhaps, for this I am ashamed. does this mean were not friends any more? I will get a full check from a doctor if you like, just please don't leave me. <<

Perhaps your help with the community has taken its toll? Perhaps you could see a psychiatrist at the same time as the doctor? As long as you post here, in the manner in which you do, I will be here to help (and in case they doubt my support, I'm happy to extend this to David Hayward, Aces, Wolf Rider, Freycinet, Chivas and others). I believe, as you do, that this forum is a much greater place, with your presence as its chief asset lately.

[JG52Uther]

Falstaff/bongo driver take it to pm please.

[bongodriver]

Bongodriver said:

>>it's true I havn't been as open about my condition like raaaid perhaps, for this I am ashamed. does this mean were not friends any more? I will get a full check from a doctor if you like, just please don't leave me. <<

Perhaps your help with the community has taken its toll? Perhaps you could see a psychiatrist at the same time as the doctor? As long as you post here, in the manner in which you do, I will be here to help (and in case they doubt my support, I'm happy to extend this to David Hayward, Aces, Wolf Rider, Freycinet, Chivas and others). I believe, as you do, that this forum is a much greater place, with your presence as its chief asset lately.


Oh thank you Ben, I'm not sure I could have coped without you in my life, I had never considered my symptoms of bad spelling, unreadable handwriting, the family history of the condition as a form of mental illness, unlike most people your ever sharp wits have seen through my general lucidity for the retarded fraud I really am, with your help I'm sure I can fight my way through this.

Forever yours

Bongo x

[DroopSnoot]

Unfortunately, even though it looked like we had something releasable this morning, by lunchtime we felt we should work on it more:

· No dynamic low-caliber hit decals showing on aircraft;
· Detached aircraft chunks losing their texture and becoming pitch-black;
· Little particle "dust" that comes out of weapon hits looking like untextured squares;
· Gunsights always white in color;
· No waypoint lines rendered in map or FMB;
· Pilot and Plane models not rendering textures in Options - Pilot and Options - Plane respectively;
· DX9 support not ready for public consumption.


Thanks for the Info B6, very sad days especially seeing the list.

I have no doubt that you guys will get there in time, but personally I'd like to see less of the "we almost had it this moring but..." type statements, your bug list shows extensively the opposite of almost being ready.

Good luck guys, dont give up.

[bongodriver]

Falstaff/bongo driver take it to pm please.

Sorry uther, was in the middle of writing and didn't see your post.

[Falstaff]

Noted

[skouras]

thanks for the update..B6
At least we get something.;)

[BRIGGBOY]

Thx for the update B6.

[MIRGERVIN]

take your time just please please please fix the boost on the hurri and spits so we can actualy have a fair dogfight.

[irR4tiOn4L]

take your time just please please please fix the boost on the hurri and spits so we can actualy have a fair dogfight.

You know, based on some comparisons between the 109 E series and early spits out there, I don't think it will actually be 'fair'.

If the spit boost is modelled and can be used for fair amounts of time with relative impunity brining the spits effectively up to or beyond the speed of the 109, the 109 will have only its direct injection and dive speeds as advantages.

Unless I am reading the wrong sources.

[OutlawBlues]

Where de patch Nacho? :rolleyes:

[SPUDLEY1977]

Not sure how to interpret the repeated... we're nearly ready....we have new problems ...we're not ready roller coaster.

In the meanwhile where are the video clips ( bugs are fine ) which give us a feel of what to expect?


Thanks

[Frequent_Flyer]

Update appreciated, correct me if I am wrong. It was my understanding this was to be a " beta " release ? To what degree are the outlined issues to fixed prior to release? The list grows longer as time goes by.

[JZG_Con]

thanks for the update ive only just got back in country from work ,so i can wait a week or two ..lol..but to too long ..hey ..lol

[HeavyDelta]

Imagine a world where this passion for fixing everything wrong with the sim was present before we were charged 50 bucks......:confused:

[klem]

Thanks BlackSix

[Old_Canuck]

I'm sure it will be worth the wait B6. Thanks for the update :cool:

[rummy63]

I have been patiently watching the development of COD and I read the forums after every patch release, hoping that the game has all the bugs and glitches fixed. While I wait, I have bought a new PC, bought a second 560 Ti video card, bought a Track IR5 in anticipation that COD will be completely fixed. I am patient and pleased that the developers are continuing to fix and improve COD. Until the game is ready and stable enough that I can persuade my friends to join COD, I will continue to play BF3 and ROF. I expect there are hundreds of gamers like me waiting for COD to be ready so we can purchase. I still believe in the COD team. Keep up the great work.

[kakkola]

After 1 year?I start to think that they are not working full time in this COD......will see what happens with next patch!!
Cheers!!!!!

[RXMAN]

I have been patiently watching the development of COD and I read the forums after every patch release, hoping that the game has all the bugs and glitches fixed. While I wait, I have bought a new PC, bought a second 560 Ti video card, bought a Track IR5 in anticipation that COD will be completely fixed. I am patient and pleased that the developers are continuing to fix and improve COD. Until the game is ready and stable enough that I can persuade my friends to join COD, I will continue to play BF3 and ROF. I expect there are hundreds of gamers like me waiting for COD to be ready so we can purchase. I still believe in the COD team. Keep up the great work.

Why wait, it is playing well on my system, and many many others.

[von Pilsner]

Why wait, it is playing well on my system, and many many others.

Presumably for the AI fix, radio commands fix, CTD in MP fix, fps increase due to engine re-write, etc...

It can run OK for many, but I don't think better hardware will fix most of the programming issues. That said, I bought it twice and I love messing around in it, but as a mostly SP player these issues can be troubling.

These issues are well known on the forum so I may get trashed for saying it, but I am assuming you were asking an honest question and those are the reasons for holding off (that I can think of)... :D

Also, thanks for the update, B6 (so I am not completely off-topic).

[Redroach]

Lets talk business, for once: You don't have any patch, do you? This is all delay tactics while the team continues glueing the Addon together, to be sold as: "Full-Feature, including Graphics Rework, AI commands etc. - oh, and a bit of the Battle of Moscow. Includes everything you have wished to be included in CoD for just $49.95. Special Edition available ($69.99)".
Mix in some Il-2-Screenshots and some random graphs off the Internet and your ruse is good to go...
And before you get angry again: Yes, it was a nice gesture to show us some pics of Il-2. It really was... the first three times. Now, the intent is clear.

This has got to be the truth. I could understand it if a single volunteer, amateur software developer who made a little game by himself is late with his updates due to other tasks - BUT you are at least supposed to be a full-fledged Development studio. With programmers, Graphic artists etc. that are supposed to have in-depth knowledge of their matters. How such very trivial tasks such as fixing Radio commands, is beyond your capabilities and is not fixed after 13 months, I cannot understand, whatever explanation you offer. Oh, and repeated "rewrites" of the Graphics engines and consequently falling into deep bug-pits each and every time (well, or probably not, see above) doesn't make the whole picture look any brighter at all, neither in terms of decision-making nor in terms of ability.
I know, Blizzard is waaaaaaay bigger and waaaay better funded, but, for WoW, if any major problem occurs there, they have been able to shove out a hotfix within 24 hours each time. Regardless of the problem. That makes me think.

[Trumper]

Lets talk business, for once: You don't have any patch, do you? This is all delay tactics while the team continues glueing the Addon together, to be sold as: "Full-Feature, including Graphics Rework, AI commands etc. - oh, and a bit of the Battle of Moscow. Includes everything you have wished to be included in CoD for just $49.95. Special Edition available ($69.99)".
Mix in some Il-2-Screenshots and some random graphs off the Internet and your ruse is good to go...
And before you get angry again: Yes, it was a nice gesture to show us some pics of Il-2. It really was... the first three times. Now, the intent is clear.

.

If anyone is daft enough to buy BoM if this isn't finished well they must have more money than sense.
There's alot of burnt once twice shy.

[C6_Krasno]

Lets talk business, for once: You don't have any patch, do you? This is all delay tactics while the team continues glueing the Addon together, to be sold as: "Full-Feature, including Graphics Rework, AI commands etc. - oh, and a bit of the Battle of Moscow. Includes everything you have wished to be included in CoD for just $49.95. Special Edition available ($69.99)".
Mix in some Il-2-Screenshots and some random graphs off the Internet and your ruse is good to go...
And before you get angry again: Yes, it was a nice gesture to show us some pics of Il-2. It really was... the first three times. Now, the intent is clear.

This has got to be the truth. I could understand it if a single volunteer, amateur software developer who made a little game by himself is late with his updates due to other tasks - BUT you are at least supposed to be a full-fledged Development studio. With programmers, Graphic artists etc. that are supposed to have in-depth knowledge of their matters. How such very trivial tasks such as fixing Radio commands, is beyond your capabilities and is not fixed after 13 months, I cannot understand, whatever explanation you offer. Oh, and repeated "rewrites" of the Graphics engines and consequently falling into deep bug-pits each and every time (well, or probably not, see above) doesn't make the whole picture look any brighter at all, neither in terms of decision-making nor in terms of ability.
I know, Blizzard is waaaaaaay bigger and waaaay better funded, but, for WoW, if any major problem occurs there, they have been able to shove out a hotfix within 24 hours each time. Regardless of the problem. That makes me think.
The engine of CoD is the same as the engine of the sequel, Luthier already told this. So the issues they strive to solve here, are also issues for the sequel. And they already told that they would not be stupid enough to release a new sequel before issuing this patch and hope that a lot of people would buy it.

[theOden]

If anyone is daft enough to buy BoM if this isn't finished well they must have more money than sense.
There's alot of burnt once twice shy.

Amen.

[Bob_Marley]

Lets talk business, for once: You don't have any patch, do you? This is all delay tactics while the team continues glueing the Addon together, to be sold as: "Full-Feature, including Graphics Rework, AI commands etc. - oh, and a bit of the Battle of Moscow. Includes everything you have wished to be included in CoD for just $49.95. Special Edition available ($69.99)".
Mix in some Il-2-Screenshots and some random graphs off the Internet and your ruse is good to go...
And before you get angry again: Yes, it was a nice gesture to show us some pics of Il-2. It really was... the first three times. Now, the intent is clear.

This has got to be the truth. I could understand it if a single volunteer, amateur software developer who made a little game by himself is late with his updates due to other tasks - BUT you are at least supposed to be a full-fledged Development studio. With programmers, Graphic artists etc. that are supposed to have in-depth knowledge of their matters. How such very trivial tasks such as fixing Radio commands, is beyond your capabilities and is not fixed after 13 months, I cannot understand, whatever explanation you offer. Oh, and repeated "rewrites" of the Graphics engines and consequently falling into deep bug-pits each and every time (well, or probably not, see above) doesn't make the whole picture look any brighter at all, neither in terms of decision-making nor in terms of ability.
I know, Blizzard is waaaaaaay bigger and waaaay better funded, but, for WoW, if any major problem occurs there, they have been able to shove out a hotfix within 24 hours each time. Regardless of the problem. That makes me think.

+1

[Walrus1]

Lets talk business, for once: You don't have any patch, do you? This is all delay tactics while the team continues glueing the Addon together, to be sold as: "Full-Feature, including Graphics Rework, AI commands etc. - oh, and a bit of the Battle of Moscow. Includes everything you have wished to be included in CoD for just $49.95. Special Edition available ($69.99)".
Mix in some Il-2-Screenshots and some random graphs off the Internet and your ruse is good to go...
And before you get angry again: Yes, it was a nice gesture to show us some pics of Il-2. It really was... the first three times. Now, the intent is clear.

This has got to be the truth. I could understand it if a single volunteer, amateur software developer who made a little game by himself is late with his updates due to other tasks - BUT you are at least supposed to be a full-fledged Development studio. With programmers, Graphic artists etc. that are supposed to have in-depth knowledge of their matters. How such very trivial tasks such as fixing Radio commands, is beyond your capabilities and is not fixed after 13 months, I cannot understand, whatever explanation you offer. Oh, and repeated "rewrites" of the Graphics engines and consequently falling into deep bug-pits each and every time (well, or probably not, see above) doesn't make the whole picture look any brighter at all, neither in terms of decision-making nor in terms of ability.
I know, Blizzard is waaaaaaay bigger and waaaay better funded, but, for WoW, if any major problem occurs there, they have been able to shove out a hotfix within 24 hours each time. Regardless of the problem. That makes me think.

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/discoblog/files/2008/03/tinfoil-hat.jpg

[/\/achtJaeger110]

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/discoblog/files/2008/03/tinfoil-hat.jpg

great, just what I thought :grin:

Thx for the update, Black6

don't mind the trolls with their absurd conspiracy theories, they do not represent the majority here.
One can't write this often enough...

Keep up the good work team and be sure of our support!

[Bob_Marley]

I personaly think that the fake BLACK_SIX post was not so much fake but i feel they was just testing the water to see the responce from the community.

[ACE-OF-ACES]

don't mind the trolls with their absurd conspiracy theories, they do not represent the majority here.
One can't write this often enough...
Agreed 100%

[ACE-OF-ACES]

I personaly think that the fake BLACK_SIX post was not so much fake but i feel they was just testing the water to see the responce from the community.
Yes yes yes..

We know!

You and your fellow nay-sayers belive the devs are lying to us..

We get it!

Now give it a rest!

Thanks in advance S!

[Redroach]

don't mind the trolls with their absurd conspiracy theories, they do not represent the majority here.
One can't write this often enough...

yes, yes, you'll see! You'll see who is right and who isn't! *screaming while being dragged away*

And this one time I can say it with 100% certainity: The majority has long since left...there is a 'certain bias' with optimism, don't you think?
Just ask the guy with the tinfoil hat. He has the truth in his hands, after all.

edit: Oh, "performance above 7000m" has already been moved to the sequel. 1-0 for me, for now.

[fruitbat]

ahhhh, i see normal service has resumed.:rolleyes:

[Chivas]

I personaly think that the fake BLACK_SIX post was not so much fake but i feel they was just testing the water to see the responce from the community.

There is always a good chance the investors/beancounters could shut down the development at any moment, but our response is the least of their worries if that happens. Infact why would they careless what we think when they've just lost their jobs, and the investors their money.

[CrusaderOne]

here ya go..and i think you will like the new sounds aswell;):-P

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYsLvdSmKQI



Such an aesthetically beautiful plane...it's got all the right curves to keep your eyes glued to it's every move!


Cheers to you 1C team...Keep on pushing till you break through!!

[Osmo]

No worries!

Thanks for the update, and I think many of us appreciate that you want to make it right before releasing it, instead of releasing it half-done.

[melasuda]

what do you like ?


See a panzer to flying at 5000m and incorect smoke but not ctd.

Or you prefer see all well, but ctd every 45 min?.


But thans for the update:grin:

[PotNoodles]

I am as disappointed as anyone that this is taking so long, but to say there is no patch is dammed right silly. What would be nice to hear is how these bugs affect the release of the patch. I would like to know if we are talking weeks for a release now, months for a release, or even years? I know they had problems with the target system 5-6 weeks ago now and it still looks like this is a problem today. However, I was unaware of the other problems like the rest of us and was hoping for a bit more info. I mention in my last post that it would be silly to give a time frame on the patch to be released, but it would be nice to know if these are major bugs or simple ones that can be ironed out relatively quickly. I don't see any harm in giving this type of information out.

[bongodriver]

@Devs....just tell us '2 weeks', it's information it's a prediction and it's ambiguous.

[DroopSnoot]

don't mind the trolls with their absurd conspiracy theories, they do not represent the majority here.


While I agree to ignore trolling, i have to say its always the minority that think they are the majority.

@Devs....just tell us '2 weeks', it's information it's a prediction and it's ambiguous.

LMAO, ahh the healthy humour of the honest tommy :D

[Screamadelica]

Thanks for the update B6, nice to have some solid information. Appreciated.;)

[Vonte]

Thanks Black Six

Honesty is always the best policy. I for one was pleased that the update hadn't been uploaded as I was on 2 weeks holiday when it was due to be issued. At least when it is issued, I will be able to download it. We virtual flyer's are a moaning old lot but for myself, I would sooner wait for the finished product.

[il_corleone]

Thanks for the info b6, Courage, you can get it, the hard work do good results , so , courage.

[MadTommy]

Not played in months, all in all been disappointed with the sim, but have been encouraged with the murmurs coming from the devs in these so called news posts, the community needs a solid patch to fix the many issues, if they get it right it might be enough to save this sim and get a decent sized community playing again.

Don't care how long it takes.. as for me it will be the last chance for maddox games for me.

What i long for more than anything is a decent size community playing online.. if that happens i personally don't care about a few bugs & missing features, just build a decent community please!

[ATAG_Dutch]

Not played in months,

What i long for more than anything is a decent size community playing online.

Impossible to have the second bit, given the first bit.

[5./JG27.Farber]

Yep, some must sacrifice them selves in empty servers so others will join...

[drewpee]

Impossible to have the second bit, given the first bit.

Amen to that Dutch.

[Flanker35M]

S!

Thanks for the info, much appreciated. At least this delay gives more time for a new HOTAS to come :)

[diveplane]

really think the dev team should branch out have open patch beta testing
more heads searching for bugs the better, and more varied systems out there to test on.


my worry is frame rates and game performance, this should be top priority atm.

[ATAG_Doc]

You people at MG just made a wise decision. Do it right. Customers are not going any where we people produce a few million new persons a year anyways so its an ever growing customer base.

And with the world population now exceeding 7 billion you only need to have .001% percent to the population buy it to sell 70,000 copies which is still 3.5 million @ 50 a pop and that isn't all that shabby!

[/\/achtJaeger110]

While I agree to ignore trolling, i have to say its always the minority that think they are the majority.


I counted the posts :-P
I didn't say the vast majority though...

Besides, there is no sense in complaining in my opinion.
When I get impatient for the patch I simply enjoy the things that are already working well.
Okay, being a Singleplayer I never experienced any ctds. But there is nothing greater for me than jumping in my beautiful 109 and hunting over the channel in the evening light.
There is nothing out there but CloD where you can do that in a more realistic and more beautiful looking manner. I am so glad that committed people made this game, unlike Silent Hunter 5.... This too was a game for a relatively small group of enthusiasts and it was released and left in a worse condition than CloD. It was left to the mercy of some modders who could never hope to get deep enough into the code to save the game completely from all the bugs.

Modern Sims are getting more and more complicated, more than we all might think. Definitely more complicated than WoW. Lets keep that in mind.

[Momod]

Besides, there is no sense in complaining in my opinion.
When I get impatient for the patch I simply enjoy the things that are already
+1

[andy27]

hi , keep up the good work , anway i am enjoyen the desastersoft add on channel battels 1940 , recommend to all , but can,t wait for the next patch :-P

[Talon89]

You people at MG just made a wise decision. Do it right. Customers are not going any where we people produce a few million new persons a year anyways so its an ever growing customer base.

And with the world population now exceeding 7 billion you only need to have .001% percent to the population buy it to sell 70,000 copies which is still 3.5 million @ 50 a pop and that isn't all that shabby!

Your math is lacking. Also, http://www.globalrichlist.com/

Most of that 7 billion won't be playing IL2 anytime soon.

[lbuchele]

The majority of people here are made of grow-ups.
We understand that the staff is working hard.
Fix that graphic glitches , but please stop that mad rolls AI does when trying to avoid being hit by our bullets...please!

[Insuber]

Atag server gives us already a great experience. The night ->dusk ->dawn->day rendering for instance is truly great, when it's still dark on the ground it is already clear up in the sky, and the white walls of the houses glow the morning light.

On Atag I've seen things you people wouldn't believe ... a Blenheim at low alt bitten by the light flak, her wing hit by a 40 mm with a smoke cloud and debris ... Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Dover. I've watched c-beams from Spits glitter in the dark near the Tannhäuser Gate. All those ... moments will be lost in time, like tears...in rain... IF THE PATCH DOESN'T COME QUICKLY! :-D

[smink1701]

Atag server gives us already a great experience. The night ->dusk ->dawn->day rendering for instance is truly great, when it's still dark on the ground it is already clear up in the sky, and the white walls of the houses glow the morning light.

On Atag I've seen things you people wouldn't believe ... a Blenheim at low alt bitten by the light flak, her wing hit by a 40 mm with a smoke cloud and debris ... Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Dover. I've watched c-beams from Spits glitter in the dark near the Tannhäuser Gate. All those ... moments will be lost in time, like tears...in rain... IF THE PATCH DOESN'T COME QUICKLY! :-D

blade runner. Nice:grin:

[drewpee]

blade runner. Nice:grin:

LOL I was thinking that as I was reading it.:)

[Screamadelica]

Bladerunner! The ultimate movie of all time. Brilliant. All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain....;) Just waiting on a white dove to take us into the clear blue sky.

[DroopSnoot]

Atag server gives us already a great experience. The night ->dusk ->dawn->day rendering for instance is truly great, when it's still dark on the ground it is already clear up in the sky, and the white walls of the houses glow the morning light.


Do we still have the houses lights on at night times and dusk/dawn or has that been removed?

[flyingblind]

Is patch fever becoming a recognisable medical condition? I'm sure there must be scope for a research doctorate in there somewhere.

[6S.Tamat]

Is patch fever becoming a recognisable medical condition? I'm sure there must be scope for a research doctorate in there somewhere.

well probably is spreading from the developer disease that seems that developers have.

[Bouma004]

I juste poste this message to the developing team to exprime the lassitude of the CLODO community about the next "patch".
and i invite you to admit the failur of this Game like an evidence.
We do better to forget it quikly and avoide more deceptions

thank you for your labour but you lost your time.

PS: Sorry for my english.

[robtek]

I juste poste this message to the developing team to exprime the lassitude of the CLODO community about the next "patch".
and i invite you to admit the failur of this Game like an evidence.
We do better to forget it quikly and avoide more deceptions

thank you for your labour but you lost your time.

PS: Sorry for my english.

Just speak for yourself and don't get illusions of grandeur by imaging speaking for a community, please.

[6S.Tamat]

Just speak for yourself and don't get illusions of grandeur by imaging speaking for a community, please.

well doesn't seem that he ever used a plural in his speach.

[robtek]

I don't know what exactly is meant by "exprime the lassitude of the CLODO Community", but i believe that he wants to talk for it.

[gwalch]

Seems to me Robtek suffers a bit from "illusions of grandeur"himself,or does he speak for whole community?

[JG52Uther]

Enough with the insults please.

[gwalch]

Yes ok,but sometimes.........................

[Insuber]

I juste poste this message to the developing team to exprime the lassitude of the CLODO community about the next "patch".
and i invite you to admit the failur of this Game like an evidence.
We do better to forget it quikly and avoide more deceptions

thank you for your labour but you lost your time.

PS: Sorry for my english.

Come to the Atag server and do some skip bombing mission against ships. Fly at wave top, keeping the engine rpm and temp under control all the way to the channel convoy. Trim manually the rudder to keep the ball in the middle, to avoid sideslipping the bomb. Aim at your target amid the black flack clouds. Release bombs at 350 km/h when the ship fills the gunsight. Climb and turn gently to see the splashes of your bombs closing on the ship (by the way, the splash intervals reduce progressively as the bomb slows down). Admire the chain explosions of the ship and the pieces falling all around. Then dodge those pesky fighters on your way back to base. Then you will have a vague idea of this sim.

Of course all the above is applicable only is your PC is beefed up enough.


Cheers!

[furbs]

Come to the Atag server and do some skip bombing mission against ships. Fly at wave top, keeping the engine rpm and temp under control all the way to the channel convoy. Trim manually the rudder to keep the ball in the middle, to avoid sideslipping the bomb. Aim at your target amid the black flack clouds. Release bombs at 350 km/h when the ship fills the gunsight. Climb and turn gently to see the splashes of your bombs closing on the ship (by the way, the splash intervals reduce progressively as the bomb slows down). Admire the chain explosions of the ship and the pieces falling all around. Then dodge those pesky fighters on your way back to base. Then you will have a vague idea of this sim.

Of course all the above is applicable only is your PC is beefed up enough.



Cheers!

Sounds fun, though hardly the "battle of Britain" is it? ;)

[pstyle]

Sounds fun, though hardly the "battle of Britain" is it? ;)

ATAG server 2 for that.
6 flights of 3 dornier 17s at 13,000ft.

Nom, nom, nom.

[furbs]

As soon as i get the patch i will have a look.

[Al Schlageter]

Sounds fun, though hardly the "battle of Britain" is it? ;)

The Battle can be roughly divided into four phases:

10 July – 11 August: Kanalkampf, ("the Channel battles").
12 August – 23 August: Adlerangriff ("Eagle Attack"), the early assault against the coastal airfields.
24 August – 6 September: the Luftwaffe targets the airfields. The critical phase of the battle.
7 September onwards: the day attacks switch to British towns and cities.

[ACE-OF-ACES]

Just speak for yourself and don't get illusions of grandeur by imaging speaking for a community, please.
Well take note rob..

That was his VERY 1ST POST in this forum

There seems to be a lot of very opinionated and experienced people joining this forum in the past few weeks

Thus I would not worry about anyone thinking they speak for the majority of the members of this forum

[Insuber]

Sounds fun, though hardly the "battle of Britain" is it? ;)

Erprobungsgruppe 210, secret operations ... ;-)

[O_Smiladon]

seems to me robtek suffers a bit from "illusions of grandeur"himself,or does he speak for whole community?
lol

[Force10]

Well take note rob..

That was his VERY 1ST POST in this forum

There seems to be a lot of very opinionated and experienced people joining this forum in the past few weeks

Thus I would not worry about anyone thinking they speak for the majority of the members of this forum

Maybe these are the folks that were the silent majority waiting patiently for the sim to be fixed, but have run out of patience. Or are you thinking I should re-post your tin foil hat pic?

[ACE-OF-ACES]

Maybe these are the folks that were the silent majority waiting patiently for the sim to be fixed, but have run out of patience.
If believing that makes you feel better.. So be it.. I wouldn't want to be the one to rain on your parade!

[Richie]

I've just gone back to IL-2 Spits VS 109s MODS for a while till things start up again after the patch comes out. I was missing the variety and some friends who won't jump over into COD. I've been very lucky and have had no problem with COD what so ever as far crashes and horrible FPS go. I'll probably keep jumping back and forth until Battle For Moscow is added.

[satchenko]

Ok any news??? any word from the devs?
two weeks more?

[Bob_Marley]

Ok any news??? any word from the devs?
two weeks more?

Calm ya passion and chill brother. :cool:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LanCLS_hIo4

[jibo]

i'd go

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUqPpA7G2XE

[Dick Tator]

S!

Thanks for the info, much appreciated. At least this delay gives more time for a new HOTAS to come :)


Likewise... with my girlfriend some very special quality time - with her HOT ASs and I can assure you I came, several times ;)
edit: *sorry for this and enough of the pornographic literary imagenary here* :)

[Feathered_IV]

Ok any news??? any word from the devs?
two weeks more?

Takes a while to pull the last build apart and see where it went wrong and to fix it. Previous setbacks since August/September seemed to occur about 6-8 weeks apart (and the graphical errors seem to be identical to earlier ones) so I'd say sit tight and wait for about mid June-July.

[Frequent_Flyer]

Takes a while to pull the last build apart and see where it went wrong and to fix it. Previous setbacks since August/September seemed to occur about 6-8 weeks apart (and the graphical errors seem to be identical to earlier ones) so I'd say sit tight and wait for about mid June-July.

What Year ?

[jibo]

honestly i'am quite optimistic, since the last patch made the game playable, the tone has changed, people on the forums are acknowledging that the game is far above 1946 and actually "fixable".
I surmise there is a lot of players hidden in the background waiting for the multiplayer to be stable. And as soon as it's done the community will rise again.
( I still have in mind the 800 connected on simHQ when Cod was announced.)
with this patch at hand, we can quietly wait untill BoM is released, yes we can.

btw the team could release a DX10 beta patch