lets make a stand on the supresion of binaural sound in the game

[raaaid]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4Fx3pHQFHk

thi sample, binaural, is the most natural ecolocation of sounds since they come from the outside of the head at the natural disatnces

youre fooling your brain into make him think youre really there

this kind of sound also produces a pleasent effect known as asmr by the echolocation of close sound, you can feel that with the wind, thats what you feel in a haircut and why getting a haircut feels good, youre genearting dopamines and endorphines just by liestening to the wind in the cockpit

also the natural echolocation of several sounds at the same time in natural way its an exercise for your brain in which youre using both hemispheres in sync which exercises your corpus callosum which interconnects both hemispheres and increases brain irrigation

what we got instead:

classic stereo sound is made to listen with big speakers, if you listen to it with headphones as 99% of people the echolocation appears to come from the inside of your head

so your fooling your brain into believing you went nuts and you think youre a wwii fighter with sounds coming from inside your head

so lets demand that binaural clip to become stardand

myself i really dont mind since i have 777 headphones which trnasform stereo into binaural but its a matter of principles not accepting crab

next chapter:

why singers use mono mics with two channels but actually mono since both channels are in the same spot

[kestrel79]

I'd rather have the new sounds w/o binural effect than the old sounds with binural. Maybe they are planning on adding this to the newer sound engine down the road?

Hopefully added sounds will be in the next patch, that's what I'm looking forward to the most besides the fps boost.

[AA_Absolute]

Ecolocation???

With 1000-3500 HP noisy engine one meter behind...

Please disable sound radar as always is promised, i forgive CTD (if solved) etc, etc... but the bad bug in il2 remain in COD.

[ATAG_Snapper]

That clip must be from the original version of CoD when it was released last year. Look at the bouncing tachometer needle -- the authentic mechanical version before it got "dumbed down" to the steadier non-authentic electrical tach based on "fans' complaints"!

[SlipBall]

That clip must be from the original version of CoD when it was released last year. Look at the bouncing tachometer needle -- the authentic mechanical version before it got "dumbed down" to the steadier non-authentic electrical tach based on "fans' complaints"!


Good call Snapper8-)

[Pudfark]

Well....this thread sorta went in one ear and out the other...:-|

[ACE-OF-ACES]

so lets demand that binaural clip to become stardand
Congratulations raaid!

Oh wait..

You said BInaural clip?

Sorry thought you were demanding something else bi

Disregard! ;)

[hc_wolf]

"lets make a stand on the supresion of binaural sound in the game"

Raaaid you may wat to see a doctor about this if it gets worse ;)

[Skoshi Tiger]

It'd add to immersion, I hope it gets added eventually.

At the moment using headphones and head tracking doesn't work for me. I'll look over a wing and the engine noise will fade out.

[sorak]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4Fx3pHQFHk



mmmmm I agree

[Buchon]

This !! :

That clip must be from the original version of CoD when it was released last year. Look at the bouncing tachometer needle -- the authentic mechanical version before it got "dumbed down" to the steadier non-authentic electrical tach based on "fans' complaints"!

I love the mechanic needle of that video, I want that back soo badly !! :(

We loses some things with the "fans" complains and others things in the optimization try in the old graphics engine, like the exhaust muzzles in others planes (there exhaust muzzles in the player air plane only)

I hope you guys are taking notes for a strike back ;)


About the binaural sound ...

Im not sure but I think that there a problem of compatibility with the extended surround systems, it only work on stereo settings, maybe is that why it gets dropped.

[GOA_Potenz]

I rather the mechanical tachometer back than binaural sounds

[SlipBall]

me too!

[pupo162]

regardign the mechanical tachometer. i havent flown much, but the mechancial tachometer didnt move half of waht that one moves. maybe a 50 rpm moving tops.

[wannabetheace]

I want binaural sound :mad:

[Toasted_Toad]

myself i really dont mind since i have 777 headphones which trnasform stereo into binaural but its a matter of principles not accepting crab


But I like Crab !!!

Cheers,

T_T.

[engadin]

Ecolocation???

With 1000-3500 HP noisy engine one meter behind...

Please disable sound radar as always is promised, i forgive CTD (if solved) etc, etc... but the bad bug in il2 remain in COD.

+1 here, sound radar is hardly acceptable when other areas of this sim are so historically, performance wise and morphologically (plane design and DM wise) accurate. As Absolute points out, IMHO it doesn't stand the weakest analysis if you have ever been in a single engined plane cockpit in flight: no way to hear anything but your thoughts with the helmet on.

My two cents.

[SQB]

The worst thing to get cut from the game are the amazing fresnel reflections. They were incredible and added SO MUCH to the game. Why couldn't they have become optional rather than being completely taken away?

[IvanK]

That clip must be from the original version of CoD when it was released last year. Look at the bouncing tachometer needle -- the authentic mechanical version before it got "dumbed down" to the steadier non-authentic electrical tach based on "fans' complaints"!


BS ! A lot of research was done to eradicate the unrealistic BS bouncing tacho. Research included talking to current spitfire pilots using RR Merlins (Mechanical Direct drive tachos) and Packard Merlins with Electrical drive tachos. In addition the relevant Maintenance engineers were talked to. In all cases both the pilots and the engineers stated unequivocally that little or no Bounce occurred in either of the systems..... This was the reason it was removed.

[SlipBall]

BS ! A lot of research was done to eradicate the unrealistic BS bouncing tacho. Research included talking to current spitfire pilots using RR Merlins (Mechanical Direct drive tachos) and Packard Merlins with Electrical drive tachos. In addition the relevant Maintenance engineers were talked to. In all cases both the pilots and the engineers stated unequivocally that little or no Bounce occurred in either of the systems..... This was the reason it was removed.



What you have done is taken the mechanical tachometer and replaced it with an electric tachometer of todays world. Needle bounce and squeaking noises, not to mention their inherent inaccuracy were the technology of that time and era.:)...that's why they were in the game in the first place, change your opinion and get it back ASAP.

[IvanK]

No these aircraft are using original components.

[DroopSnoot]

Kiss binural sound goodbye. From hearing the audio recode, I would make a guess that ability has for now been written out.
Although the sound we have now for sure has better samples, its a sound mod and nothing more, the complexity of the audio code has been removed for simplicity.

[ATAG_Snapper]

BS ! A lot of research was done to eradicate the unrealistic BS bouncing tacho. Research included talking to current spitfire pilots using RR Merlins (Mechanical Direct drive tachos) and Packard Merlins with Electrical drive tachos. In addition the relevant Maintenance engineers were talked to. In all cases both the pilots and the engineers stated unequivocally that little or no Bounce occurred in either of the systems..... This was the reason it was removed.



http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?p=263800&highlight=Tachometer#post263800

IvanK, you may disagree with my interpretation of Luthier's explanation re mechanical vs electrical tachometer; and that's fine. Obviously you have further information on this and it's good to share it with the rest of us.

However, I take great offense to your "BS" comment. This is not a schoolyard. I don't know you, you don't know me. But show a little more respect, will you?

Snapper

[SlipBall]

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?p=263800&highlight=Tachometer#post263800

IvanK, you may disagree with my interpretation of Luthier's explanation re mechanical vs electrical tachometer; and that's fine. Obviously you have further information on this and it's good to share it with the rest of us.

However, I take great offense to your "BS" comment. This is not a schoolyard. I don't know you, you don't know me. But show a little more respect, will you?

Snapper


There can be no serious evidence, because facts are difficult things to change. What gets me, is how the team bows to any criticism and makes these changes to pacify a few loud voices(even when they know its wrong...and so I ask what next). Its not just the tachometer that has been change, to an arcade level of presentation.:)

[IvanK]

I do disagree with your interpretation of Luthiers comment I know specifically on what occurred as I did the research. Luthiers comment in the thread you quote was:

"Replaced every tachometer in every British and Italian plane with an electrical type, since some people find needle movement on the mechanical type not what they expected." and not what you said:

"Look at the bouncing tachometer needle -- the authentic mechanical version before it got "dumbed down" to the steadier non-authentic electrical tach based on "fans' complaints"!

So it wasn't "dumbed down" based on "Fans complaint" .... but changed based on actual research. Luthiers comment regarding Electrical type was poorly worded (and discussed with him at the time) as the research indicated that direct drive Tachos (certainly on the Merlin) are steady and don't bounce as they were initially presented in the Sim.

No personal offence was meant by BS just a response to the "dumbed down" and "Fans complaint" comments as that I consider silly and wrong.

WRT to Tacho bounce IRL 3 current Spitfire pilots were spoken to and 2 engineers responsible for these aircraft were spoken too. The 3 Spitfires referred to in these discussions a MKVIII that was flown with RR Merlin with Direct drive Mechanical tacho. This aircraft was recently refitted with a Packard Merlin with Electrical Tacho. A Spitfire MKXVI fitted with Packard Merlin with Electrical tacho and Spit IXC powered by RR Merlin with Mechanical Direct Drive tacho. One of the pilots (current on both RR and Packard types) was actually shown a video of the original COD bouncing tacho to gauge his thoughts.... which in summary was he had never seen anything remotely like it.

What else concerns you Slipball that has been changed to an "Arcade level of presentation" ?

[ATAG_Snapper]

IvanK, thanks for the background on the mechanical/electrical tachometer topic. It's very interesting stuff and you have the advantage of first hand knowledge of what transpired which very few of us have. As for the "fans" and "dumbed down" issue which had you crying "BS"; Luthier makes frequent reference to Cliffs of Dover players as "fans" (I checked), and the "dumbed down" was my interpretation based on the little information we had been provided.

You may consider others' opinions "silly" and "wrong" based on having this information advantage -- good for you. But there's no need to be boorish about it. Just sayin'.

[Buchon]

Its nice that you have that kind of information source IvanK because you can help to make the most realistic simulation of a mechanical tachometer.

Guess that what you can do now is ask if what we have now looks like a mechanical tachometer, but in my opinion, that steady like a rock needle looks like a electrical tachometer than otherwise.

I agree that the mechanical tachometer in that video looks to soft and excessively inertia and G affected, looks in some how like a cord damaged tachometer, but I think that with the proper tuned down we can have the most awesome mechanical tachometer simulation.

Because mechanical tachometers are, in some grade, inertia affected and in a airplane G affected.

I remember the riot of the "bouncing needles" in the forum, you can find with a easy search people claiming funny things like that the mechanical tachometers was never installed in Merlins, that´s obviously not true, or that mechanical tachometers was never installed in cars, jeez even I had a motorcycle with mechanical tachometer.

All this in some how heated the debate and we lose the sigh.

But in the end we are looking for the same thing, that is the most awesome WWII airplanes simulation, so if we remember this we can find a way and some answers to reach the goal.

[Sternjaeger II]

the whole RPM counter issue is yet another example of Luthier's poor communication efforts..

The way it was modelled was wrong, his sarcastic comments were uncalled for IMHO, since they generated confusion on people that didn't know about the real thing and raised questions.

In a way I understand IvanK BS comment: it must be frustrating dealing constantly who people who know what's right and wrong, because that's what reality is like in their minds..

[SlipBall]

I do disagree with your interpretation of Luthiers comment I know specifically on what occurred as I did the research. Luthiers comment in the thread you quote was:

"Replaced every tachometer in every British and Italian plane with an electrical type, since some people find needle movement on the mechanical type not what they expected." and not what you said:

"Look at the bouncing tachometer needle -- the authentic mechanical version before it got "dumbed down" to the steadier non-authentic electrical tach based on "fans' complaints"!

So it wasn't "dumbed down" based on "Fans complaint" .... but changed based on actual research. Luthiers comment regarding Electrical type was poorly worded (and discussed with him at the time) as the research indicated that direct drive Tachos (certainly on the Merlin) are steady and don't bounce as they were initially presented in the Sim.

No personal offence was meant by BS just a response to the "dumbed down" and "Fans complaint" comments as that I consider silly and wrong.

WRT to Tacho bounce IRL 3 current Spitfire pilots were spoken to and 2 engineers responsible for these aircraft were spoken too. The 3 Spitfires referred to in these discussions a MKVIII that was flown with RR Merlin with Direct drive Mechanical tacho. This aircraft was recently refitted with a Packard Merlin with Electrical Tacho. A Spitfire MKXVI fitted with Packard Merlin with Electrical tacho and Spit IXC powered by RR Merlin with Mechanical Direct Drive tacho. One of the pilots (current on both RR and Packard types) was actually shown a video of the original COD bouncing tacho to gauge his thoughts.... which in summary was he had never seen anything remotely like it.

What else concerns you Slipball that has been changed to an "Arcade level of presentation" ?


I know that you were well intentioned with your project on the tachometer. I do agree that the fluctuations of the needle were over done, and needed tweaking. Are you really happy with the end result?...I own a vehicle with a mechanical tachometer, it is certainly not like the rock steady gauge that we have now. What we have is just like the electronic tachometer thats in my car.:grin:

[ATAG_Snapper]

the whole RPM counter issue is yet another example of Luthier's poor communication efforts..

The way it was modelled was wrong, his sarcastic comments were uncalled for IMHO, since they generated confusion on people that didn't know about the real thing and raised questions.

In a way I understand IvanK BS comment: it must be frustrating dealing constantly who people who know what's right and wrong, because that's what reality is like in their minds..

I'd be the first to admit his information is infinitely better than mine and most others here. Further to that, I appreciate that he took the time to fully explain what transpired behind the whole tachometer thing. It was the arrogant rudeness he chose to use that I objected to. How can anyone not think that calling BS on another -- a total stranger -- would not cause offence??? :rolleyes:

There's simply too much of that on this forum, IMHO.

[SlipBall]

I'd be the first to admit his information is infinitely better than mine and most others here. Further to that, I appreciate that he took the time to fully explain what transpired behind the whole tachometer thing. It was the arrogant rudeness he chose to use that I objected to. How can anyone not think that calling BS on another -- a total stranger -- would not cause offence??? :rolleyes:

There's simply too much of that on this forum, IMHO.


I disagree...his whole presentation is based on hearsay and faded memories at best. Why do you think that the team would include oscillation of the needle?...were not many of them pilots giving advice? is it possible the team then took that too far.:grin:

[ATAG_Snapper]

I disagree...his whole presentation is based on hearsay and faded memories at best. Why do you think that the team would include oscillation of the needle?...were not many of them pilots giving advice? is it possible the team then took that too far.:grin:

BS! ......j/k -- Figured we could use a good Friday/no update chuckle! ;)

Personally, I don't know. Sounds like the mech tach's needle vibrated but wasn't rock steady like the elect tach modelled in CoD at present. But were these the same guys who reversed the mixture lever in the Spit, failed to animate the Spit's two trim controls, or placed a diesel truck engine in place of a Merlin in the engine compartment? (Just listen to a Spitfire fly by -- that ain't no Merlin going by!)

[SlipBall]

BS! ......j/k -- Figured we could use a good Friday/no update chuckle! ;)

Personally, I don't know. Sounds like the mech tach's needle vibrated but wasn't rock steady like the elect tach modelled in CoD at present. But were these the same guys who reversed the mixture lever in the Spit, failed to animate the Spit's two trim controls, or placed a diesel truck engine in place of a Merlin in the engine compartment? (Just listen to a Spitfire fly by -- that ain't no Merlin going by!)


Ha ha B/S...revolvers at 50 paces then...they read engine vibration with reeds that vibrated, that has to have problems:-P

[IvanK]

I disagree...his whole presentation is based on hearsay and faded memories at best. Why do you think that the team would include oscillation of the needle?...were not many of them pilots giving advice? is it possible the team then took that too far.:grin:

The pilots and engineers consulted are flying and maintaining these aircraft today. As I indicated in my previous post "WRT to Tacho bounce IRL 3 current Spitfire pilots were spoken to and 2 engineers responsible for these aircraft were spoken too." Two of the aircraft are flying in Australia and the third in New Zealand.

So the info is hardly hearsay or faded memories ...

[SlipBall]

The pilots and engineers consulted are flying and maintaining these aircraft today. As I indicated in my previous post "WRT to Tacho bounce IRL 3 current Spitfire pilots were spoken to and 2 engineers responsible for these aircraft were spoken too." Two of the aircraft are flying in Australia and the third in New Zealand.

So the info is hardly hearsay or faded memories ...


Well, as long as your happy with it now what can I say...I'm out:grin:

[KG26_Alpha]

What's any of this got to do with the OP's post.

Take your bouncing needles into another thread ........................

:cool:

[SlipBall]

What's any of this got to do with the OP's post.

Take your bouncing needles into another thread ........................

:cool:


The comments were on the OP's video post...would you agree that you have a narrow view of the lane width for comments and discussion? :)

[Art-J]

You fellaz completely derailed / hijacked the OP's thread - show me just one word in the thread title or Raaaid's post which is needle-related in any way. Sure, the secondary discussion might have originated from his video, but still, right here it is what it is - an off-topic bulls..t (which would be actually quite a good topic in "Vehicle and Terrain threads" section, where people go to read exactly about this kind od stuff).

And when the last sane person points this out, You whine about "narrow view of the lane width for comments". Dude, seriously?

[SG1_Lud]

By definition, a Raaid's thread can't be hijacked/derailed after a few days. I think a better term would be an orphan thread owned again. (by Snapper in this case) :grin:

[ATAG_Snapper]

By definition, a Raaid's thread can't be hijacked/derailed after a few days. I think a better term would be an orphan thread owned again. (by Snapper in this case) :grin:

Never again. Apologies to Raaid. Let's get it back to supresion of binaural sound.

[raaaid]

oh no guys i take no ofense go on

conversations evolve i wanted to let people know binaural sound is better and i did, the thread would have been over about binauraal sound anyway :)

[KG26_Alpha]

oh no guys i take no ofense go on

conversations evolve i wanted to let people know binaural sound is better and i did, the thread would have been over about binauraal sound anyway :)

Ok thread closed.