Warthog Centre Stick Mod

[JG52Krupi]

So after a years wait for my Tarmac Aces stick I was informed today that production has been interrupted and that I am being reimbursed.

The writing was on the wall ever since the manufacture that supported them was taken over a few months back and the guys I was in cahoots with started moving on :( I am livid about the news but at least I am getting my money back.

Anyway no point crying over split milk it's time to get proactive if I can't buy one I will just have to make one myself.

I know some of you have modded your sticks, if you have any advice or guides I will be very grateful if you could share them I don't fancy buggering up my warthog.

Thanks.

P.S. Also thanks to the original Tarmac Aces Guys they really brought something new to the table and I wish them good luck in there future endeavours.

[DD_crash]

have a look at the zoos stick mod thread http://forums.ubi.com/showthread.php/407339-Sim-Pit-Builder-Stick-Modder-Thread-Part-2 some pictures are missing but it still has some good stuff in there :)

[JG52Krupi]

Thanks Crash.

I think I have found what I need, the only thing is can you get a DIN 8 Pin adaptor (Male) to 5 Pin connector (Male)!!! is there such a thing LOL.

[JG52Uther]

Wow a real shame on the Tarmac Ace mate, but lucky you got your money back!

[DD_crash]

Thanks Crash.

I think I have found what I need, the only thing is can you get a DIN 8 Pin adaptor (Male) to 5 Pin connector (Male)!!! is there such a thing LOL.

try this http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Inter-Connect-5-pin-8-pin-DIN-1-5-metres-1-5m-Cable-Lead-Connector-/320830802551?pt=UK_Computing_CablesConnectors_RL&hash=item4ab3018a77#ht_500wt_949

[JG52Krupi]

Thanks again crash, but I think that 8 pin is a bit different will check.

It looks like I will need the internals of a warthog stick as well and since I don't fancy prising mine apart atm I either have to try and buy one or buy another entire warthog system.

I am about get one of these to try the centre stick first :D

http://simhq.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/3184593/3.html

[JG52Krupi]

I am scouring the web to find the length of the 109/190 control stick.

Does anybody have any info, I am starting to get desperate :( ?

Its looks to be roughly around 44 to 42mm judging from images!

[Kodoss]

using a sketch of a FW 190 (without a real scale), from the bottom of the base to the top of the stick: nearly 60 cm (maybe a little more).

The warthog throttle is 28cm high, so you would need a 32 cm long rod.

[JG52Krupi]

using a sketch of a FW 190 (without a real scale), from the bottom of the base to the top of the stick: nearly 60 cm (maybe a little more).

The warthog throttle is 28cm high, so you would need a 32 cm long rod.

Seems a bit large, I have a KG13 and its ~24mm long

http://corso2a.pagesperso-orange.fr/Cockpit/Profil1.jpg

Found that at Simhq.

[Kodoss]

Internet, your friend and helper...

Steuerknüppel Bf 109 (http://www.servicehistorique.sga.defense.gouv.fr/IMG/jpg/2b60planche.jpg)

Edit: nice pic, Krupi. but a little bit to deep: see here (http://home.arcor.de/fw190d9/sonstiges/fw190_il2_sicht/Fw190sicht.jpg)

[JG52Krupi]

Internet, your friend and helper...

Steuerknüppel Bf 109 (http://www.servicehistorique.sga.defense.gouv.fr/IMG/jpg/2b60planche.jpg)

WOW your my hero :D

Was almost on the money, not a bad estimate.

Now I need to somehow get the warthog system inside the KG13 :D

[JG52Krupi]

So after a good deal of head scratching and a fantastic suggestion from Sokol1 I think I know what has to be done...

Due to the need for the Warthogs stick to remain attached in order to be registered by windows I will not be stripping out the warthog stick instead I will be tricking windows into thinking the KG13 is a USB Ps3 Controller or keyboard :D

To do this I need a USB board and the Teensy look like it will do the job :D

http://www.pjrc.com/teensy/

The dimensions are 1.2" by 0.7"

So, the Teensy will fit in the box that previously housed the 8 pin din connector :grin:.

http://s5.postimage.org/4wmdphign/IMG_0116.jpg (http://postimage.org/image/i0ry26aib/full/)

http://s5.postimage.org/8vo6m1whj/IMG_0122.jpg (http://postimage.org/image/5c28w8trn/full/)

http://s5.postimage.org/6sdredwon/IMG_0123.jpg (http://postimage.org/image/xq7og4hbn/full/)

Now I just need to understand what each wire controls and rewire them to the teensy.. at least I hope its that easy.

The warthog stick itself will be connected to the base but stowed in a box I am going to make.

The last thing I need is a connector from Mentalnwood's warthog extension to the KG13 which I can hopefully get manufactured locally.

Like I said before... now I need to figure out how to wire it correctly, the next and probably last hurdle. I hope its just a case of soldering the wire to the board but I am not certain.

[JG52Krupi]

I received and tested the teensy board today, it works.

Now I need to understand which wires should go where :(

[JG52Krupi]

So after some help from C6_trollbug I now have the wires setup correctly... unfortunately they are reversed i.e. rather than turning on when i press a button they turn off :(

Here is the code I am using...

void setup() {
pinMode(0, INPUT_PULLUP);
pinMode(1, INPUT_PULLUP);
pinMode(2, INPUT_PULLUP);
pinMode(3, INPUT_PULLUP);
}

void loop() {

// read the digital inputs and set the buttons
Joystick.button(1, digitalRead(0));
Joystick.button(2, digitalRead(1));
Joystick.button(3, digitalRead(2));
Joystick.button(4, digitalRead(3));

// a brief delay, so this runs 20 times per second
delay(50);
}

[JG52Krupi]

Sorted :)

void setup() {
pinMode(0, INPUT_PULLUP);
pinMode(1, INPUT_PULLUP);
pinMode(2, INPUT_PULLUP);
pinMode(3, INPUT_PULLUP);
}

void loop() {

// read the digital inputs and set the buttons
Joystick.button(1, digitalRead(0) == LOW);
Joystick.button(2, digitalRead(1) == LOW);
Joystick.button(3, digitalRead(2) == LOW);
Joystick.button(4, digitalRead(3) == LOW);

// a brief delay, so this runs 20 times per second
delay(50);
}

[JG52Krupi]

Almost finished.....

So the first thing I did was purchase Metalnwoods amazing Warthog extender

http://simhq.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/3184593/1.html

Then went about thinking of how to position it and get it positioned at the right height and was shown this cheap effective design from Paradaz :D

http://simhq.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/3377271/1.html

So thanks to Paradaz and Metalnwood I now have a brilliant centre mounted warthog which I will be converting to a KG13 in a few weeks :goofy:

Today I tested the centre mount and I am VERY VERY happy its fantastic, so much more control its precise and hopefully will improve my terrible accuracy :thumbsup:

Anyway that's enough from me here are some pics...

http://s5.postimage.org/focqn5sfr/IMG_0143.jpg (http://postimage.org/image/c4qsxcppv/full/)

http://s5.postimage.org/vb400j67r/IMG_0144.jpg (http://postimage.org/image/dl2bfhsmr/full/)

http://s5.postimage.org/57s17341j/IMG_0135.jpg (http://postimage.org/image/7p3secnxv/full/)

http://s5.postimage.org/nbv1rq1pz/IMG_0137.jpg (http://postimage.org/image/glekiaek3/full/)

http://s5.postimage.org/6cm3cgqif/IMG_0138.jpg (http://postimage.org/image/ir8vcsi0j/full/)

http://s5.postimage.org/8vcdqw1mf/IMG_0139.jpg (http://postimage.org/image/qle2bxf77/full/)

http://s5.postimage.org/5d0dui0qf/IMG_0140.jpg (http://postimage.org/image/ouv1afxo3/full/)

Sorry for the terrible quality.

[JG52Uther]

Looks fantastic mate!

[JG52Krupi]

Finished :D

http://s5.postimage.org/5yvs9ugxj/IMG_0152.jpg (http://postimage.org/image/eh58e6ng3/full/)

http://s5.postimage.org/ga852i8mv/IMG_0153.jpg (http://postimage.org/image/6poifmjar/full/)

[Skoshi Tiger]

That really cool! :)

[Psy06]

Internet, your friend and helper...

Steuerknüppel Bf 109 (http://www.servicehistorique.sga.defense.gouv.fr/IMG/jpg/2b60planche.jpg)

Edit: nice pic, Krupi. but a little bit to deep: see here (http://home.arcor.de/fw190d9/sonstiges/fw190_il2_sicht/Fw190sicht.jpg)

Hi, this drawing now not available, could someone reapload it please!

[Sokol1]

I think that I save this above drawing of KG-13A - confirm later.

Edit - here: http://i49.tinypic.com/23mk708.jpg

BTW - related: http://avia-sim.ru/forum/viewtopic.php?t=629&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0
http://simhq.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/3133178/1/MMaister_s_KG13A_project

Sokol1