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camber
01-12-2012, 11:25 AM
There has been some discussion lately on the Merlin boost control/cutout, and whether or not it works correctly in Cliffs of Dover. However the other thread has drifted to the discussion of whether or not 100 octane is modeled/should be modeled/ was available etc. SpitMkI/II and over boost (http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=28753)

I have a background in control engineering and my interest is: how did the real boost control and override work exactly? What is being measured, what is being manipulated and how?

In modern process control, we have sensors (measuring the process), actuators (intervening in the process), and computer logic driven control loops feeding electrical information between the two. I am fascinated with 1940s and earlier control engineering, where to control a parameter like actual boost at a rated boost setpoint the control loop is a purely mechanical system where the sensors, actuator and control logic are real interconnected parts like valves, pistons and control linkages.

The reason for boost regulation in the Merlin is pretty clear; the supercharger in early models was capable of outputting around 20 psi on the ground, whereas a suitable limit (for initial 87 octane fuel) was 6.25 psi. Higher boost (and hence compression) gives extra power and puts extra stress on the engine, but the real problem is that above a boost threshold (determined by fuel octane) predetonation of fuel-air will occur, power will be lost and wear will greatly accelerate even if the motor does not fail catastrophically.

A common explanation (various forum posts) for the boost regulation in early Merlins is a simple pressure regulator that vents excess boost pressure to the atmosphere. In fact the A2A simulations company (who are very serious about simulation accuracy for their FSX add-in aircraft and produce fantastic products) claim (at least initially) this is correct for their Spitfire I/II in the following thread (and some others not linked):

http://www.a2asimulations.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=77&t=27554

However, in the face of persistent questions they seem to have backtracked by the end, although it is a bit unclear! The problem with venting excess pressure for boost control is fairly clear. It appears that the Merlin follows a conventional supercharger layout in that the supercharger compresses not air alone, but fuel-air from the carburetor output. It seems very unlikely that a system that vents fuel-air (in fact the majority of it by volume) would be considered by the original engineers due to the resulting problems in fuel economy and safety. Instead the supercharger input must be throttled to reduce boost, i.e. by the main throttle in the carburetor (which is upstream from the supercharger)

The best explanation for a suitable boost control I came across was this document:

Rolls-Royce Merlin Automatic Boost Regulator, Courtesy of Dave Birch and the Rolls-Royce Heritage Trust (http://www.enginehistory.org/Piston/Rolls-Royce/R-RmerlinABC/R-RmerlinABC.shtml)

It appears to (but I can't confirm it to be) a period document with the text re-input and scans of the original diagrams. Unfortunately there is no date and a passing reference to the Merlin III, so assessing it’s relevance is a bit difficult. However this system or one like it seems the best candidate as it does not involve routine venting of fuel-air for boost pressure control. It refers to a system where rated boost is +9psi and override boost is +12psi (i.e. 100 octane conversion for early Spitfire).

I recommend a full read of the document if interested, but here is a simplified version of the system with some of the detail stripped away (Figure 1). Basically the boost cylinder valve is plumbed so that a relatively high pressure (from the supercharger output itself) is routed to one side or the other of a piston attached to the throttle via linkage. When actual boost is equal to rated (desired) boost, both sides of the cylinder are sealed and the piston stays where it is. There is more detail about how this is actually done in the original document. The piston has a linkage which alters the mechanical relationship between the pilot's throttle lever and actual throttle plate.

Figure 1
http://i406.photobucket.com/albums/pp142/wjhawaii/spithrottle_sm.jpg

The system is very simple and elegant. Basically if the pilot adds more throttle than gives the rated (maximum) boost level, the valve piston brings the actual throttle plate setting back to an intermediate value, thus modifying the pilot’s input and effectively taking throttle control away from him. If the pilot whacks the throttle forward he will momentarily get full throttle and boost, until the piston manages to get the real throttle position back to whatever level gives rated boost (with oscillations, this being a mechanical system).

With a system like this, you could imagine taking actual throttle control away from the pilot totally, and giving a ‘throttle’ lever with only three positions effectively corresponding to:

1. Idle
2. As much boost as possible up to rated boost
3. As much boost as possible (over boost)

Which might be OK for combat but rather painful for cruise. The system above is actually much better in this regard, the pilot gets direct throttle control as long as he or she (don’t forget the Air Transport Auxiliary!) doesn’t ask for above rated boost. My reading of the system is that although it will not control at under the rated boost, it will provide some dampening which could be construed at partial control. For instance if the pilot selects +2psi boost (< rated boost) and climbs, the system will not keep +2psi as the outside pressure drops but in general will not fall off as fast as it would if the system was not there (i.e. some degree of automatic throttle manipulation occurs).

Overboost

The system gives two different ways to overboost the engine.

1) Hole method. Controlled leaks (e.g. holes) can be added in the plumbing around the valve/piston that effectively add a pressure increment to the boost setpoint, i.e. going from rated boost to an overboost set at the designer’s discretion. These holes can be covered/uncovered based on a pilot cable control (the boost cut out).

2) Gate method. Add an extra physical throttle increment. The boost control piston is designed to be toward the high pressure stop when controlling and the extra throttle pulls greater boost than the system can handle. The piston goes right to the high pressure stop but cannot reverse the pilot’s input (Figure 2). Essentially this override gives a maximum throttle position and consequently whatever boost this represents (this max throttle position could be set to give a particular boost for a specific rpm and ambient pressure condition).

Figure 2
http://i406.photobucket.com/albums/pp142/wjhawaii/spithrottle_b.jpg

The gate method as described in the document seems a little problematic in what would happen if you were through the gate and went up to sufficient altitude that maximum possible boost fell below rated boost. Either the valve piston would have to pull the throttle back out of the gate (surprising the pilot!), or the linkages would bend/break. However the schematic given for the mechanism is very simple anyway, the real system would likely be somewhat more complicated.

Reading the two overboost methods I thought that perhaps the Hurricane used the hole + cable method (i.e. “pull the tit” on the panel) while the Spitfire used the gate method, as when you hit the red overboost lever in the CLoD Spitfire you rotate a cam and make available an extra throttle section.

But the A2A Spitfire MKI/II have a red lever but no cam and no extra throttle travel. The A2A people state that the red lever goes to a cable that covers/uncovers holes in the system (as supported by their own research). Just to make things more complicated, the A2A Spitfire MkII also has a gate marked “rated boost” (at gate) and “takeoff boost” (past gate) in addition to the red lever. The pilot notes for the real life Spitfire MkII also show a gate http://www.zenoswarbirdvideos.com/Images/spit/Spit2Manual.pdf.

I can’t find any material/pictures/diagrams that fit with the concept of the CLoD red lever + cam throttle gate. Instead it appears likely to me that the actual Spitfire Mk I/II used the hole method as described above, with the red lever going to a cable that uncovered the holes in the boost control valve.

Origin of overboost

Although lacking good references, it is often stated that the boost cutout originally was not intended as an emergency power increase but instead a backup for failure of the boost controller in a minimum boost state and this seems plausible. It is stated that before the modified boost cutout (which turned the boost cut out into a combat boost system for 100 octane), the system allowed boost to 17 psi at full throttle, which is close to the full unthrottled supercharger output at ground level http://www.spitfireperformance.com/spit1-12lbs.jpg.

A pilot with full access to 17psi boost at ground level would have to be very careful with his throttle not to exceed the maximum boost for his fuel octane (whatever it was), otherwise the resulting predetonation would rapidly drop the power and damage the engine. However with the boost cutout activated a careful pilot could explore whether he could get a little more than the rated boost (and power) without causing rapid engine failure, and this seems likely to have occurred. It made sense to then modify the boost cutout with extra holes that limited the maximum boost with the cutout activated to an agreed value that gave extra power without destroying the engine in the air (i.e. +12psi for 100 octane fuel), and then allow pilots to use it briefly in combat.

Summary

Although well sourced information is surprisingly scant, it seems likely the boost regulator in early Spits/Hurricanes was a piston/linkage based system that took over the throttle when boost exceeded the rated amount. The boost cutout was a cable system attached to the red lever (in Spitfires) and nipple like appendage (Hurricanes) that covered/uncovered precise diameter passages or holes in the boost control valve, and not a throttle gate as in CLoD Spitfires (although the real MkII also had a throttle gate that did not require the red lever to access). It was modified with the onset of 100 octane fuel to be a war emergency power device that gave a higher but not maximum boost.

If anyone has good information that add to (or totally contradict!) this version of the boost regulator, I would be very interested. What would be great are engineering drawings of actual boost regulators on early or any Merlins, as long as it was clear at what point of the system the boost regulator was actually located.

Slayer
01-12-2012, 12:02 PM
Have you ever tried emailing the folks over at http://fighter-collection.com maybe one of their mechanics could tell you? I'd be interested to know also.

Robo.
01-12-2012, 12:22 PM
Superb post, Camber!

Various combat reports definitely confirm your summary and the version with the holes is certainly correct (opposite to the throttle gate we've got in Clod - that's a late mark thing, e.g. Mk.IX Spitfire with the gate that could be attached both ways in order to restrict or allow the extra movement of the throttle lever regarding to the fuel used etc).

Exact locations of these holes and their diameter are both well researched and documented. Unfortunately, I am far from being an expert and I don't remember where exactly I've seen the diagram with complete cut-outs. But it was certainly not the fuel / air venting (that would be disastrous!) but just the air on the way from the supercharger to the valves, that has been sucked out. I believe these holes have been drilled into original Boost cut-out valves.

I will have a look in the ''Merlin in perspective - the combat years'' publication later on and I will post anything relevant when I come across it.

As you say, the A2A guys seem to have done great deal of research and their FSX product is extremely close to the real thing (although there are some details or say grey areas as with Mk.IIa for example, but fair enough). And the way they portrayed the red gate seems to be spot on. The only problem there is that when you move the red gate, you need to move the throttle back and forth to achieve that extra MFP. This is due to FSX engine limitations and I remember reading that in the real Spitfire, you only moved the gate, there was no extra throttle movement - sort of like pulling the plug in a CLoD Hurricane.

I find it rather unlikely that a Hurricane would use different method od BCC-O than the Spitfire. Everything you wrote in your summary seems to be correct, including drilling the extra holes in order to get safe-sh +12 rather than +16/+17PSI from a Merlin III / XII. This is also quite well docummented including some tests done at Rolls-Royce (BCC-O being backup for failure first and then used as WEP option etc.)

It would be interesting to see if this air suction (with BCC-O activated) had any impact at the mixture richness at all...

lane
01-12-2012, 01:08 PM
Perhaps this drawing of the cut-out valve for boost control on the Merlin II and III will be of interest:

http://www.wwiiaircraftperformance.org/100-octane/boost-control-cut-out.jpg

lane
01-12-2012, 02:47 PM
From AP 1590B Merlin II and III Aero-Engines:

http://www.wwiiaircraftperformance.org/100-octane/boost-control-composite.jpg

TomcatViP
01-12-2012, 04:16 PM
Injected you said ? ;)

No seriously what afraid me the most is that duct full of boosted mixture right near the pilot arm and leg beyond the (relative) protection of the firewall.

I understand better now why the fire hazard was greater inside a Hurri/Spit than on the 109.

Conjecturing : won't it be a valid point to change the boost ctrl design from holes to valves ?

camber
01-12-2012, 09:46 PM
Lane; thank you very much! That is EXACTLY what I wanted!

From a quick look it is consistent with the Rolls Royce Heritage trust document but with the actual structure and plumbing. The second diagram appears to show the whole thing pre-hole and the first where to drill the hole. Fantastic!

I will take a good look at it all however and work out if I need to edit the original post. At first glance it appears that pre hole, the "leak" is introduced from the pressure to the supply side of the supercharger thus maintaining a closed system. With hole it appears there is a possibility of fuel-air venting to atmosphere when you are using combat +12psi boost.

41Sqn_Banks
01-12-2012, 11:40 PM
The text pages from AP 1590B Merlin II and III Aero-Engines about Automatic Boost Control. The drawing has already been posted.

41Sqn_Banks
01-12-2012, 11:43 PM
Continued

41Sqn_Banks
01-12-2012, 11:49 PM
And the last page.

Faustnik
01-13-2012, 04:03 AM
Thank you for the info! :cool:

camber
01-13-2012, 04:52 AM
Thank you very much Banks and everyone, I think this now gives the full picture! The document you have posted is the full explanation of how the system worked pre 100 octane conversion (rated boost=6.25psi, override boost is maximum possible).

From AP1590B posted by Lane and Banks:

261. Operation of the cut-off valve (14) substitutes suction for boost pressure in the aneroid chamber (2). This has the effect of rendering the control virtually inoperative, as the relay piston is held in the forward position, enabling the throttle to be fully opened by the hand lever at any altitude.

So-pre 100 octane drilled hole, when the red tab was pulled the boost regulator piston was held in the left stop so that no control occured and the pilot could pull maximum boost (e.g. approx 20psi at ground level), as stated in previous references.

The 0.093 hole was drilled through the boost cutout valve (presumably with the valve removed, otherwise you drill into the boost regulator face behind it!) I think the precise location of the hole is to avoid tapping into the supercharger inlet channel 12 (on Figure 45 in diagram posted above). Otherwise there would be strange effects on the boost operation when the cutoff valve was deactivated.

The drilled boost cutout hole (with the boost cutout activated) is basically a leak from the outside air to passages connected to the supercharger inlet. Although it is no longer a closed system, the drilled hole should be under suction and hence no fuel-air should be vented. In theory the motor is running leaner when on +12psi boost via the cutout (due to outside air leaking into the supercharger intake), this tiny backflow for control purposes compared to the total flow going through the engine would probably make no difference whatoever. The lack of fuel-air venting would be good news for any Spitfire pilots that had an incendiary bullet graze their cowling I believe!

Variable versus fixed datum

Another thing that I found really interesting was the variable datum control, because this seemed to allow the pilot to have a separate control for boost setpoint. However this system does not seem to have actually been used in any real Spitfires. Instead, the engineers attached the lever on the variable aneroid to the throttle system so in effect, the pilot's throttle lever was no longer a direct throttle plate control but an altitude independant boost selector that did not allow you to go above a maximum. Very elegant!

The initial single datum system must have been a bit odd for pilots, for instance at full throttle input on the ground (and the controller piston quietly disallowing actual full throttle to maintain 6.25psi boost), if you suddenly closed the pilot throttle input, nothing would happen initially! You would have to wait until the piston (really controlling the throttle) to move back.

The boost control piston/throttle level/throttle plate linkage

According to AP1590B, the linkage is not a linkage (as shown in my original post) but a differential gear instead! The mechanical logic seems to be the same though.

Cheers, camber

Robo.
01-13-2012, 08:49 AM
Just to say thanks guys, fantastic thread!

5./JG27.Farber
01-13-2012, 09:37 AM
Anyone got stuff for the Daimler Benz?

svend
01-13-2012, 10:56 AM
Anyone got stuff for the Daimler Benz?

http://www.pilotfriend.com/aero_engines/aero_db605.htm

Dont know if u can use this :)

lane
01-14-2012, 07:20 PM
Good posts camber!

I'm glad to be of some help. Here's a couple more figures that shed further light on the subject.

From: Air Publication 1565 A, The Spitfire I Aeroplane, 1st Edition June 1938, reprinted April 1940.

http://www.wwiiaircraftperformance.org/Spitfire_I_Engine_Controls.jpg

From: Air Publication 1565 A, Pilot's Notes: Spitfire I Aeroplane, May 1940
http://www.wwiiaircraftperformance.org/spit1pn-port.jpg

Sutts
01-16-2012, 10:19 AM
Thanks for the excellent research guys, very interesting stuff indeed - especially the cutaway drawing showing the internal working of the boost control unit.

It has got me confused though as my Spit II manual seems to suggest that +7 was the maximum permitted boost for use with 87 octane fuel and that this was achievable without resorting to the boost cutout switch.

It only refers to using the boost cutout switch with respect to achieving the +12 combat boost value (restricted to 100 octane fuel).

41Sqn_Banks
01-16-2012, 11:30 AM
The Merlin XII used in the Spitfire II has higher engine limits because of certain changes (e.g. it uses a different coolant, 70/30% water/glycol instead of 100% glycol). For example climb boost is +9 instead of +6 1/4.

camber
01-16-2012, 11:48 AM
Lane, that is a nice diagram showing the cable connection from red tab to the boost cutout override (no wonder it is invisible in flight sim cockpits considering where it sits!) The mechanical connections go to the control bar on the other side of the firewall that connects to the differential gear (and then on to the real carby throttle) but this is not shown.

Sutts, I would think that on the Merlin XII in Spit II rated for 100 octane, the highest boost allowed by the boost regulator setup (boost cut off red tab = OFF) would be +9psi. But with the variable aneroid in the boost controller (an improvement available by the Merlin III), the pilot can advance throttle to any boost under +9psi and the system will maintain it there as you climb. So if you have filled up with 87 fuel after landing at a station without 100 octane, you must be careful only to pull 7psi on the hand throttle. Otherwise the engine will probably let you know!

If you push the red tab (boost cut off = ON) you have access to +12psi (provided altitude is low enough that the supercharger can actually achieve it). With 87 fuel this would also be a very bad idea but nothing would stop you from doing it (except a desire to keep being a fighter pilot).

The thing that still confuses me is that the Spit II also has a throttle gate that allows "take off boost" of +12.5psi that is only supposed to be for taking off from small fields or overloaded. I'm not sure why both systems (boost cut-off red tab, throttle gate) need to be there at the same time.

41Sqn_Banks
01-16-2012, 12:39 PM
IIRC Pilot's Notes General (1st Edition) mentions that the special take-off throttle position adjust the mixture to a certain rich value. I will look that up.

Sutts
01-16-2012, 01:06 PM
The Merlin XII used in the Spitfire II has higher engine limits because of certain changes (e.g. it uses a different coolant, 70/30% water/glycol instead of 100% glycol). For example climb boost is +9 instead of +6 1/4.

Thanks 41Sqn_Banks, my understanding is that is only with 100 octane though - correct?

Sutts
01-16-2012, 01:24 PM
Lane, that is a nice diagram showing the cable connection from red tab to the boost cutout override (no wonder it is invisible in flight sim cockpits considering where it sits!) The mechanical connections go to the control bar on the other side of the firewall that connects to the differential gear (and then on to the real carby throttle) but this is not shown.

Sutts, I would think that on the Merlin XII in Spit II rated for 100 octane, the highest boost allowed by the boost regulator setup (boost cut off red tab = OFF) would be +9psi. But with the variable aneroid in the boost controller (an improvement available by the Merlin III), the pilot can advance throttle to any boost under +9psi and the system will maintain it there as you climb. So if you have filled up with 87 fuel after landing at a station without 100 octane, you must be careful only to pull 7psi on the hand throttle. Otherwise the engine will probably let you know!

If you push the red tab (boost cut off = ON) you have access to +12psi (provided altitude is low enough that the supercharger can actually achieve it). With 87 fuel this would also be a very bad idea but nothing would stop you from doing it (except a desire to keep being a fighter pilot).

The thing that still confuses me is that the Spit II also has a throttle gate that allows "take off boost" of +12.5psi that is only supposed to be for taking off from small fields or overloaded. I'm not sure why both systems (boost cut-off red tab, throttle gate) need to be there at the same time.


Thanks for this camber. I was assuming the manual was talking about 2 versions of the Spit II - 87 and 100 octane capable but of course you are correct....the +7 boost is simply a limit that the pilot must be aware of when filling up with 87 octane.

In terms of maintaining boost in a climb automatically, my understanding is that would be the case if the pilot had pushed the throttle to its max position before the climb. In this case the boost limiter would kick in and the excess boost would gradually be applied as altitude increased until a point where excess boost was no longer available (10000ft?), at which point boost would start tailing off.

If, however, the pilot only advanced the throttle as far as required to select the climbing boost value and no further...then the boost limiter would not be in operation and boost would NOT be maintained as he climbed to higher altitudes. Do you agree?

Can I also seek confirmation regarding the boost cutout switch please? From what I've read it seems that the switch does not physically allow the throttle to move any further forward - like in the game. It simply disables the boost control, immediately removing the boost limit for the currently selected throttle position. So, if the throttle is full forward at the time the switch is flicked, the boost will surge immediately to +12 (depending on altitude of course) without any need to touch the throttle lever. Is that correct please?

Cheers

41Sqn_Banks
01-16-2012, 01:30 PM
In terms of maintaining boost in a climb automatically, my understanding is that would be the case if the pilot had pushed the throttle to its max position before the climb. In this case the boost limiter would kick in and the excess boost would gradually be applied as altitude increased until a point where excess boost was no longer available (10000ft?), at which point boost would start tailing off.

If, however, the pilot only advanced the throttle as far as required to select the climbing boost value and no further...then the boost limiter would not be in operation and boost would NOT be maintained as he climbed to higher altitudes. Do you agree?

In case of a (early) fixed datum type boost control you are correct. However the variable datum type boost control does maintain the selected boost until full throttle height even if the throttle is not at the gate.

lane
01-16-2012, 02:55 PM
Lane, that is a nice diagram showing the cable connection from red tab to the boost cutout override (no wonder it is invisible in flight sim cockpits considering where it sits!) The mechanical connections go to the control bar on the other side of the firewall that connects to the differential gear (and then on to the real carby throttle) but this is not shown.

Acknowledged camber. It should be noted that the control arrangement for the boost cut-out is a bit different in the Hurricane I:

http://www.wwiiaircraftperformance.org/hurricane/Hurricane_I_boost-cut-out.jpg

http://www.wwiiaircraftperformance.org/hurricane/Hurricane_MkI_AP1564A-p15-boost-cut-out.jpg

41Sqn_Banks
01-16-2012, 04:04 PM
The thing that still confuses me is that the Spit II also has a throttle gate that allows "take off boost" of +12.5psi that is only supposed to be for taking off from small fields or overloaded. I'm not sure why both systems (boost cut-off red tab, throttle gate) need to be there at the same time.

AP 2095 Pilot's Notes General (1st Edition, 1941) describes this. See attachment.

Sutts
01-16-2012, 04:30 PM
AP 2095 Pilot's Notes General (1st Edition, 1941) describes this. See attachment.



Thanks for the extra info 41Sqn_Banks, great stuff. I feel enlightened.:grin:

wedgehead383
01-31-2012, 03:32 PM
so according to the boost altitude diagramm the overboost function is only possible till 12250 feet are reached- above that altitude the pressure drops constantly and can not be raised e.g. theres no difference in engine power / thermic load between overboost mode and regular full throttle ???

41Sqn_Banks
02-01-2012, 06:36 AM
so according to the boost altitude diagramm the overboost function is only possible till 12250 feet are reached- above that altitude the pressure drops constantly and can not be raised e.g. theres no difference in engine power / thermic load between overboost mode and regular full throttle ???

Correct. With boost control cut-out the throttle would behave different because the variable datum boost control is bypassed but otherwhise not difference.

Versuch
05-22-2013, 07:31 AM
I know its an old thread but here is the boost control unit.