Hypothetical progression line predictions (2)

[dflion]

Prediction of the IL-2 COD progression line from version to version, dotted with sequels

1. Initial Game ‘IL-2 Cliffs of Dover’
Map: 500 x 500klm summer map, covering Southern England and London, Belgium border, coastal Northern France from Calais to southern Normandy
Historic scenario: The ‘Battle of Britain’ and the German night time ‘Blitz’ offensive.
Version: 1.5
Flyable aircraft:
England: Hurricane Mk1, Spitfire Mk.1, 1a, 1b, 2b, Blenheim Mk.V, Tigermoth
Germany: Bf109E-1, E-3, E-4, Bf110C-4, C-7, Ju87B-2, Ju88A-1, He111P-2, H-2
Italy: G.50, Br.20M
Non-flyable aircraft:
England: Anson, Beaufighter, Defiant, Gladiator, Sunderland, Walrus, Wellington
Germany: Bf108, Do17, Do215, He115, Fw200
Italy: CR.42

2. Merged Sequel 1. ‘The Battle for Moscow’
Map: 500 x 500klm winter map, from Smolensk to Moscow
Historic scenario: The defence of Moscow and the subsequent Russian offensive
Version: 1.0
New Flyable aircraft:
Russia: I-16, Lagg1, Mig3, Yak1, IL-2, SB-2
Germany: Bf109E-7, Bf109F-2, F-4, Ju88A-4
New Non-flyable aircraft:
Russia: Su-2, IL-4
Germany: Ju-52

3. Merged Sequel 2. ‘The Mediterranean Theatre campaign 1’
Map: 2 x 500 x 500klm summer maps covering the Northern African coastline from El Alamein to Tunis, including the islands of Crete, Malta and Sicily.
Historic scenario: The British Commonwealth Divisions attack on Italian occupied North Africa.
Version: 1.0
New Flyable aircraft:
England: Hurricane II, IIC, P40 Tomahawk IIB, Boston III
Italy: CR.42, MC200, MC202, SM.79
Germany: He111H-6
New Non-flyable aircraft
England: Douglas C-53 (DC3), Catalina 1
Italy: Cant 506B, Cant Z.1007

4. Merged Sequel 3. ‘The Western Front’
Map: 500 x 500klm COD winter map, covering Southern England and London, Belgium border, coastal Northern France from Calais to southern Normandy
Historic scenario: The British offensive against German occupied Western Europe.
Version: 1.0
New Flyable aircraft
England: Spitfire V, Vb, Typhoon 1B (Original Canopy), Mosquito Mk.1
Germany: Fw190A-2, A-3, Bf109G-2, Bf110F-4 (Night-fighter)
New Non-flyable aircraft
England: Lancaster B. Mk.1
Germany: Do217E-3

And so it goes on…….? The secret of merging each sequel is providing new aircraft to fly (historically dated correctly) in the next sequel (to get you to buy the next sequel), some may start out non-flyable, then become flyable.
Each sequel will have its version updates, making everything work better and sometimes surprisingly introducing new aircraft and objects.
Contrary to Ilya’s comment about the community not wanting any more new ground objects in COD, I personally think they are vital to the game immersion. Hopefully he will keep employing all the ground/sea object makers. As computers become more powerful we will see this game merge into an air/sea/ground scenario where you can strategically play separately the ground, sea and air scenario’s.
Finally, I hope we will see more ship types?

This post is purely hypothetical, I have not had any inside information. I hope that it stirs up all our imagination’s on what the possibilities are for Ilya and his team, if they don’t know that already!

‘Happy New Year’

DFLion

[TomcatViP]

Frankly the 3rd sequel is the one I wld be expecting the most.

How exciting would it be to fly RamRod missions with the early unreliable Typhoons or dangerous early morning CAP low over the foggy channel to counter FWs raiders.

This period has not been covered since Microprose 1943 EAW and is still one of the most interesting period in aerial warfare.

We have alrdy plenty of Desert dust on our flying boots ;)

Tally-Ho !

[Pato Salvaje]

WOW!
I subscribe this prediction!... I hope they made it! ;-)

[pupo162]

uhmmmi think 3 and 4 dont have enough content to stnad on its own.

numebr 3 has no german fighter planes on the mix, i know they arent needed, but for some people buying a 40 euro map + targets is not much of a deal.

number 4 has the same map, so its pretty much a plane pack, a very good one tough

Also, im pretty sure we will get to see some more western front before we cna ever dream of desert stuff...

[klem]

#3, merged sequel 2, North Africa

The first overseas deployment of Spitfires as fighters took place on 7 March, when 15 tropicalised Mk Vs carrying 90-gallon slipper fuel tanks took off from the flight deck of HMS Eagle bound for Malta.

The first Desert Air Force squadron to receive Spitfires was No 145 in April 1942. These were tropicalised Mk VBs.

You can't leave Spitfires or Malta out of "North Africa", they were extremely important to the North African Campaign.

You also want the Swordfish if only to sink the Italian Navy at Taranto, harry Rommel's supply lines and help keep control of the Med.

I think we'll need the 'foot' of Italy too.

I think #4 is 'Leaning towards France'..... sort of '41-'42

#5 "Singapore to Imphal and back to Mandalay". Burma map. Tomahawk(?), Ki43, Betty, +??

#6. Pearl Harbour to Midway. '41-'42. Wildcat, Warhawk(?), SBD, D3A, Catalina now flyable. Plus all those IJN types, at least the Zeros and Vals.

#7. 'Battle for Germany'. The big one. '42-'44. Extended Map. Spitfire MkIX, P47, P38, P51B, flyable Lancaster, Stirling, Wellington, B17, Liberator. Me262, Me163, Arado, FW190D9. Is this ringing any bells??

#8. "Darwin to Okinawa". 42-45. Islands Maps. Hellcat, + ??, Later zeros, IJA types?

#9. '45. "Overlord to Rheims". We'll want the Tempest V (with the correct engine please), P51D, B29. V1. Ta152.

#10 Hiroshima to Nagasaki. Maybe not.

Probably not strictly accurate on aircraft but enough to keep MG employed for a while.

[Bewolf]

I think each scneario will sport a few more planes, simply because the maps allow a broader application of operations. In the desert, for example, both sides were active until 1943, with all the airplanes involved during that time. Same towards the western front scenario.

The work done on the La5 also hints in this direction for the Moscow scenario, which imho makes sense. The original Il2 also shipped with a few airplanes ranging from 41 to 44. Reworking a 109F4 model to G2 standart is not that hard, neither the successive Spitfire and Lavochkin models. What's needed are some flyable P40 versions, a P39, The FW 190, Typhoon and Beaufighter, I115 and 16, Mig3, Yak1 and the Il2, Bomber wise the Pe2, B25, maybe an A20, as non flyables finally a Ju52 and a DC3. The rest is working on some variants of exisiting aircraft and we are basicly good to go for all 3 theatres up until 1943, at least when it comes to the aircraft side.
A real bonus but not so much required yet would be a Lancaster, a B17 and early versions of the P38, 47 and 51, maybe even a Mosquito.

Split within 3 seperate theatres, imho that should be doable.

[katdogfizzow]

Cool post. I like the ideas. I'd welcome and buy any new historical releases from 1C.

However, I think it would be the best decision ever for 1C to replace your third release with an American 8th Force expansion with P51s, the best American fighter. With an updated engine p51s and B17s, 109Gs and 190s would quite frankly, blow the doors off of sales and really engage the American market BIG TIME

http://www.aviation-history.com/germany/b17p51.jpg

Also, I hope the developers look closely to the highly successful Arma2 series business model and expansions. Released in July 2009, they just polished off their engine last week. Especially, Arma2 has an extensive support for modding the game. The developers have released a complete suite of tools to modify and create new content for ARMA 2, which has no doubt expanded the game and helped in it's development.

PLEASE 8 th AF Expansion with P51s! We'd still take off from England!
http://www.taphilo.com/history/8thaf/8aflosses.shtml

[Insuber]

Cool post. I like the ideas. I'd welcome and buy any new historical releases from 1C.

However, I think it would be the best decision ever for 1C to replace your third release with an American 8th Force expansion with P51s, the best American fighter. With an updated engine p51s and B17s, 109Gs and 190s would quite frankly, blow the doors off of sales and really engage the American market BIG TIME

http://www.aviation-history.com/germany/b17p51.jpg

Also, I hope the developers look closely to the highly successful Arma2 series business model and expansions. Released in July 2009, they just polished off their engine last week. Especially, Arma2 has an extensive support for modding the game. The developers have released a complete suite of tools to modify and create new content for ARMA 2, which has no doubt expanded the game and helped in it's development.

PLEASE 8 th AF Expansion with P51s! We'd still take off from England!
http://www.taphilo.com/history/8thaf/8aflosses.shtml


Well ... I like them all, and dream of having them available overnight on my desktop ... I'm willing to feed and dress one tenth of a MG programmer for one year, should it be true!

[reaver]

Cool post. I like the ideas. I'd welcome and buy any new historical releases from 1C.

However, I think it would be the best decision ever for 1C to replace your third release with an American 8th Force expansion with P51s, the best American fighter. With an updated engine p51s and B17s, 109Gs and 190s would quite frankly, blow the doors off of sales and really engage the American market BIG TIME

http://www.aviation-history.com/germany/b17p51.jpg

Also, I hope the developers look closely to the highly successful Arma2 series business model and expansions. Released in July 2009, they just polished off their engine last week. Especially, Arma2 has an extensive support for modding the game. The developers have released a complete suite of tools to modify and create new content for ARMA 2, which has no doubt expanded the game and helped in it's development.

PLEASE 8 th AF Expansion with P51s! We'd still take off from England!
http://www.taphilo.com/history/8thaf/8aflosses.shtml

That would be great !!! , but this is beyond imagination of our soviet friends.

[Insuber]

That would be great !!! , but this is beyond imagination of our soviet friends.

Soviet? Review your books mate, USSR ended a couple of decades ago.

[reaver]

Soviet? Review your books mate, USSR ended a couple of decades ago.

please read between the lines. I used word "soviet" for 2 specific reasons.

1. I wanted to imply that Maddox games does not realizes how much bigger American market is.

2. battle of Moscow is patriotically inspired. review your books mate, it wont be bout Russian Federation.

[fruitbat]

please read between the lines. I used word "soviet" for 2 specific reasons.

1. I wanted to imply that Maddox games does not realizes how much bigger American market is.



Bout the same size as the European market.

Basically you want it to go in that direction, and think that american sales drive this niche.

You do realise there is a world outside of america, i know for certain that a lot of your countrymen do, just not sure that you do.

[KG26_Alpha]

please read between the lines. I used word "soviet" for 2 specific reasons.

1. I wanted to imply that Maddox games does not realizes how much bigger American market is.

2. battle of Moscow is patriotically inspired. review your books mate, it wont be bout Russian Federation.


1. Luthier (Ilya Shevchenko) 1c Teams head honcho lives in America / Russia.

2. BoM has to be patriotically inspired, as does Cliff of Dover and any other expansion, as that's the time period its covering.



That would be great !!! , but this is beyond imagination of our soviet friends.

It seems your trying to hide an attitude picked up by another forum member.

[Chivas]

That would be great !!! , but this is beyond imagination of our soviet friends.

Ignorant statement.

I doubt you will see the large Western Front Bombing Campaign map till much later in the series because of the size and complexity of the map required. Atleast until the average computer is much stronger, and the sim engine is highly optimized.

[TomcatViP]

1. Luthier (Ilya Shevchenko) 1c Teams head honcho lives in America / Russia.



Woaw this is getting more and more interesting. As much as reading the latest John Le Carre ;)

[reaver]

apparently i have kicked hornet's nest ... but here is my defense:

@ KG26_Alpha --> source of the idea my first post is based on has been clearly referenced in my first post. I'm not trying to steal any ideas here.

link:
http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showpost.php?p=374147&postcount=9

What i don't see is how are Russians patriotically inspired to do the game about war between Great Britain and 3rd Reich.

@ Chivas --> this thread is called "Hypothetical progression line predictions". In perfect world this game should have been decently optimized before first release.

@ fruitbat & KG26_Alpha --> I should not have used word "American". If we assume that each scenario would be more interesting for those , who's fathers and grandfathers fought and died there, western front would hit both western european and American markets, while eastern front would appeal to much weaker eastern european market.

[Insuber]

ok ok, it was just an unfortunate choice of words, we won't crucifix you for this. But I would suggest to be more diplomatic when speaking about other countries in such generic and ambiguous terms.

[fruitbat]

Remember, il2 1946 started out on the eastern front and was for a long time only eastern front, and that didn't do so bad.......

[KG26_Alpha]

apparently i have kicked hornet's nest ... but here is my defense:

@ KG26_Alpha --> source of the idea my first post is based on has been clearly referenced in my first post. I'm not trying to steal any ideas here.

link:
http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showpost.php?p=374147&postcount=9

What i don't see is how are Russians patriotically inspired to do the game about war between Great Britain and 3rd Reich.

@ Chivas --> this thread is called "Hypothetical progression line predictions". In perfect world this game should have been decently optimized before first release.

@ fruitbat & KG26_Alpha --> I should not have used word "American". If we assume that each scenario would be more interesting for those , who's fathers and grandfathers fought and died there, western front would hit both western european and American markets, while eastern front would appeal to much weaker eastern european market.


Are you just trolling in here ??


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[Chivas]

apparently i have kicked hornet's nest ... but here is my defense:

@ KG26_Alpha --> source of the idea my first post is based on has been clearly referenced in my first post. I'm not trying to steal any ideas here.

link:
http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showpost.php?p=374147&postcount=9

What i don't see is how are Russians patriotically inspired to do the game about war between Great Britain and 3rd Reich.

@ Chivas --> this thread is called "Hypothetical progression line predictions". In perfect world this game should have been decently optimized before first release.

@ fruitbat & KG26_Alpha --> I should not have used word "American". If we assume that each scenario would be more interesting for those , who's fathers and grandfathers fought and died there, western front would hit both western european and American markets, while eastern front would appeal to much weaker eastern european market.

I called your statement below ignorant as it suggest the soviets are incapable of making a Western Bomber Campaign, and suggest that it will be awhile before you see one because of the large map required. You more likely to see BOB, Moscow/Eastern front, small Med maps, and small Pacific Island maps before the much larger bombing campaign map.

"That would be great !!! , but this is beyond imagination of our soviet friends"

[Verhängnis]

I want an Fw-189 Nightfighter with Schräge Musik in BoM!
Then please give me some U-2's to shoot down. hehe.

[Verhängnis]

Oh and you forgot to add the Su-26 to the flyables of BoM.

[BigC208]

I actually believe the market for this sim is greater in Russia than here in the US. We don't see as many of them online, as they have their own servers seperate from Steam, but Repka, which is heavily Russian populated as on par with ATAG's population, which is the main hangout for everyone else. Seeing the amount of WW2 games coming out of Russia, I'd be hesitant to say they have a "weaker" market. It seems they are perhaps more into sims than we in the west are, unless you count MW4/Skyrim a sim...

The market in Russia is probably the biggest single market. If they make a profit selling in Russia then everything ontop of that, Western Europe, USA and the rest of the world, is gravy. Also, don't forget, they charged about 4x more in the West than in Russia when the game was released.

It would make a lot of sense/cents to keep the developement chronological. That way they can use upgraded aircraft models and objects from the earlier theatres. The other way around would also work but online it would suck having the more powerfull versions first. The older models would not be used as much.

I really would've liked to have seen Spanish Civil war, Poland invasion and Blitzkrieg May 40 before the BoB. I know it will never happen. Too many different countries and too many different archaic aircraft types. In the Netherlands alone they still had many types of biplanes from the twenties and thirties in service in May 40.

If they go the commercial way I think it'll be something like, BoM, Med/Africa, Western Europe 43/45, Pacific and to close if out, Korea . I'll buy em all and in 2017 they'll release the Blue-ray version: Il2, Fire in the Sky: 1936-1952. They can have third party devs fill in the blanks. I can't wait for the likes of A2A or Real Flight to develope aircraft for this sim. Might actually bring some of the FSX crowd over. Can you imagine an A2A accusim server on full real?

[Bewolf]

I can't wait for the likes of A2A or Real Flight to develope aircraft for this sim. Might actually bring some of the FSX crowd over. Can you imagine an A2A accusim server on full real?

AFAIK, luring some developers from the old Microsoft Flightsim series over and create an industry around the brand was planned for the new IL2 series. But for that at least all the basics will have to be fixed, like engine, weather, communications etc.

[Blackdog_kt]

Some interesting predictions here. For me, i'd say going with a med scenario would be great since i live in Greece and i've read about some interesting actions in the area. That would be especially true if we got two maps, one for N.Africa/Malta and another to cover the early days (invasion of the Balkans).

I live in Greece and the local air force was involved in some heavily one-sided but impressive actions against the RA and later the Luftwaffe, along with locally based RAF detachments that had their share of the action. Notable actions by RAF include the rise of early Gladiator and Hurricane aces like Pattle and the Fleet Air Arm's Swordfish actions against Italian shipping and supplies in Albanian harbors (flying from improvised airstrips in the Greek mountains). Another Swordfish action was the battle of cape Matapan (south Peloponnese), where Italian warships were spotted and engaged.

The main appeal for a Balkans/Italy map (the northern part of the theater) would be a selection of really cool "crap planes" for 40s scenarios (Gladiator, Swordfish and the Greek PZL 24s which had uprated 1000hp engines and 20mm cannons). Then, the southern part of the map (N.Africa/Malta) would be good for the bulk of the N.African operations.

Finally, if the northern part of the map extends far enough (or at a later stage, when our PCs are better and the engine more optimized we could have a single map), it could be used to simulate raids into Ploesti and so on. A lot of not so well known actions were flown over the area and the combination of poor and good hardware along with the rugged, mountainous terrain, long distances and poor servicing conditions make for some interesting scenarios.

For example, the oldest squadron in the local airforce here was active over N.Africa with Hurricane Mk.IICs, then they converted to Spit Mk.Vs and flew over Italy and occupied Yugoslavia and Greece and that's just one squadron. Another fighter squadron was similarly engaged and there was also a light bomber squadron that started with Blenheim's in N.Africa and ended up participating in the battle of Monte Cassino with Martin Baltimores.

That's just the contribution of three Greek squadrons flying under RAF command at the time (and in the case of the bomber squad, many times with mixed Greek and British commonwealth crews, usually S.Africans).

If we start thinking about all the other contributors the mix becomes quite interesting and covers a big part of the war chronologically. We could be flying convoy protection to Malta in 41-42, or skimming the wave crests in Beaufighters attacking German shipping during the battle of the Dodecanese islands in 44, flying interdiction in support of Yugoslav parrtisans in bombed up Spits (and even IL2s later in the war, as the red army as drawing closer) or re-enacting the Taranto raid in a Fairey Swordfish. It's quite a rich environment and there's enough of an RAF and axis component to appeal to a wider audience, especially since it's never been done to this extent before.

However, my personal favorite would be a later expansion with a big enough map to play out the strategic bombing campaign in the west, along with supporting actions. Rhubarbs in Typhoons and fighter/bomber Mosquitoes, popping in and out of the clouds looking for targets of opportunity one day, flying a pathfinder Mosquito on a moonless night on the next mission and tracking an Oboe beam to a target in the Ruhr, knowing that there's a bunch of other players behind you in RAF heavies waiting for you to accurately mark the target, or going Luftwaffe and switching between high altitude interception of US heavies and nightfighters homing in on RAF heavies at night.

It would be a blast :grin:

[JG52Krupi]

If the reds are getting an la 5 in the next sequel the blues better have a 190 :evil:

[JG53Frankyboy]

i always wondered why 1C not choose the Battle of Kursk 1943 as AdOn scenario instead of the Battle of Moskau 1941/42
'Perhaps' less work to model the german aircraft?!
German planeset is very similar to the BoB one.


my choice of the very first adon would have been a "Dieppe 42" one.
Than the MTO, with british carrier operations. But now it will be easternfront again faster than i thought it would be. But honestyl , i dont thing 'we' have any influence of the future sceanruio choices 1C will make.

[robtek]

I'd really prefer a slow evolution, so you have more fighting in lesser armed planes.

Otherwise we have too soon the played to boredom "Bf109Gx vs. Spit mk >V vs FW190 vs P51 vs La5" again

[furbs]

I dont care where, when or who...just as long as it works.

[JG52Krupi]

I'd really prefer a slow evolution, so you have more fighting in lesser armed planes.

Otherwise we have too soon the played to boredom "Bf109Gx vs. Spit mk >V vs FW190 vs P51 vs La5" again

Yes but progress through variants like it was in real life :rolleyes:

If I could jump into a Fw190 D9 tomorrow I would but I am being realistic when I say we want a Fw190 A in the next expansion.

[hiro]

+1 on the older campaigns first, get people used to the older planes so when the whole of ww2 and korea is done, there will be some ppl in the older war scenario theater servers.

[dflion]

I am currently having 'IL-2 withdrawal symptoms' - my main computer has gone u/s. To wile away the time while I get it fixed, I have produced a predictions (2) list.
See if you can spot the subtle changes from my first list. Again this post is purely hypothetical, though I am starting to really like it!

The Mediterranean maps should be modified to take in lower Greece and lower Italy (if possible?)

The Russian market is 1C's main market, so you could see instead of a 'Road to Stalingrad' a 'Road to Leningrad' campaign or a "Crimean' campaign.

A map from Norfolk to the Ruhr would be good, to fly the Lancaster - perhaps a special sequel 'Dam Buster' add on?

(2) Prediction of the IL-2 COD progression line from version to version, dotted with sequels

1. Initial Game ‘IL-2 Cliffs of Dover’
Map: 500 x 500klm summer map, covering Southern England and London, Belgium border, coastal Northern France from Calais to southern Normandy
Historic scenario: The ‘Battle of Britain’ and the German night time ‘Blitz’ offensive.
Version: 1.5
Flyable aircraft:
England: Hurricane Mk1, Spitfire Mk.1, 1a, 1b, 2b, Blenheim Mk.V, Tigermoth
Germany: Bf109E-1, E-3, E-4, Bf110C-4, C-7, Ju87B-2, Ju88A-1, He111P-2, H-2
Italy: G.50, Br.20M
Non-flyable aircraft:
England: Anson, Beaufighter, Defiant, Gladiator, Sunderland, Walrus, Wellington
Germany: Bf108, Do17, Do215, He115, Fw200
Italy: CR.42

2. Merged Sequel 1. ‘The Battle for Moscow’
Map: 500 x 500klm winter map, from Smolensk to Moscow
Historic scenario: The defence of Moscow and the subsequent Russian offensive
Version: 1.0
New Flyable aircraft:
Russia: I-16, Lagg-1, Mig-3, Yak-1, IL-2, SB-2
Germany: Bf109E-7, Bf109F-2, F-4, Ju88A-4
New Non-flyable aircraft:
Russia: Su-2, IL-4
Germany: Ju-52, Hs126A-1

3. Merged Sequel 2. ‘The Mediterranean Theatre campaign 1’
Map: 2 x 500 x 500klm summer maps covering the Northern African coastline from El Alamein to Tunis, including the islands of Crete, Malta and Sicily.
Historic scenario: The British Commonwealth Divisions attack on Italian occupied North Africa.
Version: 1.0
New Flyable aircraft:
England: Gladiator, Hurricane II, IIC, P40C Tomahawk IIB, Boston III
Italy: CR.42, MC200, MC202, SM.79
Germany: He111H-6
New Non-flyable aircraft
England: Douglas C-53 (DC3), Catalina 1
Italy: Cant 506B, Cant Z.1007

4. Merged Sequel 3. ‘The Western Front’
Map: 500 x 500klm COD winter map, covering Southern England and London, Belgium border, coastal Northern France from Calais to southern Normandy
Historic scenario: The British offensive against German occupied Western Europe.
Version: 1.0
New Flyable aircraft
England: Spitfire V, Vb, Typhoon 1B (Original Canopy), Mosquito Mk.1
Germany: Fw190A-2, A-3, Bf109G-2, Bf110F-4 (Night-fighter), Ju88C-6 (Night-fighter)
New Non-flyable aircraft
England: Lancaster B. Mk.1, Hudson Mk.1, Lysander Mk.1
Germany: Do217E-3

5. Merged Sequel 4. ‘The Road to Stalingrad’
Map: 500 x 500klm winter/spring map, from Stalingrad to Kharkov
Historic scenario: The defence of Stalingrad and the subsequent Russian offensive to Kharkov
Version: 1.0
New Flyable aircraft:
Russia: Lagg-3, La-5, Yak-9, Mig-3SUD, IL-2M3, Pe-2
Germany: Fw190A4, A5, Ju87D-1
New Non-flyable aircraft:
Russia: Pe-8, Li-2
Germany: Fw189A-2

6. Merged Sequel 5. ‘The Mediterranean Theatre campaign 2’
Map: 2 x 500 x 500klm summer maps covering the Northern African coastline from El Alamein to Tunis, including the islands of Crete, Malta and Sicily.
Historic scenario: Rommel’s Afrika Korps counter offensive against the British Commonwealth Divisions.
Version: 1.0
New Flyable aircraft:
England: Spitfire Vc, P40D Kittyhawk 1, Swordfish Mk.1, Beaufighter Mk.1
Germany: Bf109E-4/Trop, Bf109E-7/Trop, Bf109F-2/Trop, Bf109F-4/Trop, Bf110E-1, Bf110D-3, Ju87B-2/Trop, Ju87D-1/Trop, Ju88A-4/Trop
Italy: Re.2000, Cant Z.1007
New Non-flyable aircraft
England: Beaufort Mk.1,
Germany: Fi 156C-3/Trop, Ar196A-3
Italy: P108B

7. Merged Sequel 6. ‘The lead-up to and including D-Day’
Map: 500 x 500klm COD modified summer map, covering Southern England and London, Belgium border, coastal Northern France from Calais to southern Normandy
Historic scenario: The Allied offensive against German occupied Western Europe leading up to and including D-Day.
Version: 1.0
New Flyable aircraft
England: Spitfire III, Spitfire IX, Typhoon 1B (Bubble Canopy), Tempest V, Mustang Mk.1, Mosquito Mk.IV, Lancaster B. Mk.1
United States: P-51B, P-51C, P-47C, P-38F, B-17F
Germany: Fw190A-8, A-9, Fw190F-8, Bf109G-6, Bf110G-2 (Night-fighter), Ju88C-6 (Night Fighter), Do217E-3
New Non-flyable aircraft
England: Halifax Mk.III
United States: B-17G, B-24D, B-24J, B-26C
Germany: Do217K-1, Do217K-2, Ju188E-1

DFLion

[FG28_Kodiak]

Maybe there will a Project Galba (Korean war). This was Luthiers Project before he joined the BoB Team.

[5./JG27.Farber]

I'd really prefer a slow evolution, so you have more fighting in lesser armed planes.

Otherwise we have too soon the played to boredom "Bf109Gx vs. Spit mk >V vs FW190 vs P51 vs La5" again

+1


Dragging it out would be awesome! It was so dull in IL2:1946 when all the servers just ran late war.

[JG5_emil]

Frankly the 3rd sequel is the one I wld be expecting the most.

How exciting would it be to fly RamRod missions with the early unreliable Typhoons or dangerous early morning CAP low over the foggy channel to counter FWs raiders.

This period has not been covered since Microprose 1943 EAW and is still one of the most interesting period in aerial warfare.

We have alrdy plenty of Desert dust on our flying boots ;)

Tally-Ho !

I like it...no...I love it!!

[Chivas]

It still looks as if the developer is still following the general timeline of the war. With the Battle of Britain, and Battle for Moscow, relatively early battles of the War. Especially since I believe it was a third party that initially started the Battle for Moscow work sometime ago. We probably won't see a Korean Map for sometime as Luthier is now fully involved with the main development, but that doesn't mean that there won't be members of his old team still working on it.

The next developer sequels will probably be Mediterranean Maps along with possibly a Stalingrad Map, etc with the addition of third party maps of smaller battle fields like Kursk, etc etc. Third party maps will prabably be released when there are aircraft available for that particular battle.

Then into the Pacific Maps, and finally a large Western Front Bombing Campaign Map.

[Sven]

I like that progression line.

but.

4. Merged Sequel 3. ‘The Western Front’
Map: 500 x 500klm COD winter map, covering Southern England and London, Belgium border, coastal Northern France from Calais to southern Normandy
Historic scenario: The British offensive against German occupied Western Europe.
Version: 1.0
New Flyable aircraft
England: Spitfire V, Vb, Typhoon 1B (Original Canopy), Mosquito Mk.1
Germany: Fw190A-2, A-3, Bf109G-2, Bf110F-4 (Night-fighter), Ju88C-6 (Night-fighter)
New Non-flyable aircraft
England: Lancaster B. Mk.1, Hudson Mk.1, Lysander Mk.1
Germany: Do217E-3


I would leave that theatre out, and just include it in the D-day one. It's a very 'Red' theater apart from the occasional attacks and patrols/reconnaissance from the German Luftwaffe. The Luftwaffe only had a handful of fighters on that front at the time if I'm not mistaken. And no ground warfare, which I think this engine is very good at.

[Blackdog_kt]

Would be a good map for bomber ops throughout the war though, if we had the flyables. ;)

[dflion]

I like that progression line.

but.



I would leave that theatre out, and just include it in the D-day one. It's a very 'Red' theater apart from the occasional attacks and patrols/reconnaissance from the German Luftwaffe. The Luftwaffe only had a handful of fighters on that front at the time if I'm not mistaken. And no ground warfare, which I think this engine is very good at.

On the Western Front this was a very important time for the RAF. They started to take the fight up to the Luftwaffe in France. Both airforces had new aircraft. The Luftwaffe had the Bf109F-2, Bf109F-4 and then Fw190A-2, Fw190A-3 and the RAF had the Spitfire V. Vb and Spitfire VIII and finally the IX with the Typhoon 1B introduced. The fight was on, in a big way and if you read the actual combat reports from the books written about the period e.g. the 'Big Show' there was plenty of exciting action for both sides.

I think we need this 'lead-up to D-Day' in a Western front campaign.

Apologies for replying late to your post, I am currently getting my main computer rebuilt and am now operating occasionally from my laptop.

DFLion

[klem]

On the Western Front this was a very important time for the RAF. They started to take the fight up to the Luftwaffe in France. Both airforces had new aircraft. The Luftwaffe had the Bf109F-2, Bf109F-4 and then Fw190A-2, Fw190A-3 and the RAF had the Spitfire V. Vb and Spitfire VIII and finally the IX with the Typhoon 1B introduced. The fight was on, in a big way and if you read the actual combat reports from the books written about the period e.g. the 'Big Show' there was plenty of exciting action for both sides.

I think we need this 'lead-up to D-Day' in a Western front campaign.

Apologies for replying late to your post, I am currently getting my main computer rebuilt and am now operating occasionally from my laptop.

DFLion

+1

All it requires is the release of new aircraft (later marks of Spits and 109s + 190 and the British bombers. Happy to buy those as an add-on package. We already have the map.