The ICRC Thinks We May Be War Criminals..

[ElAurens]

http://www.icrc.org/eng/resources/documents/faq/ihl-video-games-faq-2011-12-08.htm#.TuDvryV_MfA.twitter

Don't they have better things to do?

:rolleyes:

Maybe it's all those sheep/cows/rabbits and civilian vehicles I shot up in ArmA II?, or perhaps that ocean liner I sank in SH4? OH, now I remember...

http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/5383/ambudeathwu0.jpg

[raaaid]

well when i jump online I CHOOSE NOT not to shoot

i play for sport and competition

much more fun and you dont get obfusctaed by target fixation :)

i see it like los sanfermines :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QI2fsK0J_kI&feature=plcp&context=C26350UDOEgsToPDskIscpza7DnV3liRzc8oXbxi

also ive been hinted on dreams that if i get the same amount of no kills as i did of kills (in my dreams past life) as afrika expereten my situation would improve greatly :)

[brando]

http://www.icrc.org/eng/resources/documents/faq/ihl-video-games-faq-2011-12-08.htm#.TuDvryV_MfA.twitter

Don't they have better things to do?

:rolleyes:

Maybe it's all those sheep/cows/rabbits and civilian vehicles I shot up in ArmA II?, or perhaps that ocean liner I sank in SH4? OH, now I remember...

http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/5383/ambudeathwu0.jpg

It's really strange how you manage to turn this "...Serious violations of the laws of war can only be committed in real-life situations, not in video games."

Into this, "The ICRC Thinks We May Be War Criminals.."

Don't you have anything better to do than slagging off the International Red Cross & Red Crescent organisation? :rolleyes:

[ElAurens]

The link I posted was posted by the ICRC after the gaming news media posted the results of the discussion meeting at the 31st. ICRC Conference. In other words, they are trying to deflect bad press by spinning it as not important. But then why discuss it at all then if they are not thinking about interfering?

Sorry but I have no trust in any group of bureaucrats who think it's their job to meddle in anyone's private affairs. A bunch of hand wringing nannys is all they are, at least in this case.

[raaaid]

well it may not be the case

wwii pilots would have litle training

besides only one in four given the moment really shoots to kill

but oh boy they had the nasible and time travel tech

so they took the most trained and best pilots in human evolution and they didnt let them know the GAME wAS REAL

so man be carefull dont do in the game what you would do in life

my job for the rebel alliance is mainly conquering timelines by wormhole racing into the past

they call us minute men

to me it looks like im setting a world record at a racing game but in this contest as everything trully is though disguised i conquer a full time line

hey they even tell about it on tv

NOTICE THE REMOTE CONTROL MACHINE:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nbDEqErtakk

also notice the momified hand ;)

yeah according my dreams in the future i lose a hand

hope those transhuman robotic hands are any good :evil:

[Kodoss]

Don't worry.

You have the permission and order to shot at every red cross ship/aircraft of the enemy from Winston Churchill personally.

Even if they try to save your own life.:rolleyes:

[swiss]

Actually I wouldn't mind if destruction of red cross truck counted a friendly kill.

[ACE-OF-ACES]

http://www.icrc.org/eng/resources/documents/faq/ihl-video-games-faq-2011-12-08.htm#.TuDvryV_MfA.twitter

Don't they have better things to do?

:rolleyes:
OMG

Call me silly.. but when I read stuff like that I think to myself..

Maybe a world wide depression is not such a bad thing after all..

Why?

Well because the people like the ones at ICRC who clearly have too much time on thier hands to ponder such silly thing things may be forced to get off thier A and find a real job to feed thier faces

[AndyJWest]

To be fair to the ICRC, they aren't accusing people playing video games of being war criminals - they actually say the exact opposite: "violations of the laws of war can only be committed in real-life situations, not in video games".

As to whether the ICRC should be involved in making comments on video games, I think that they are entitled to their opinions, as is anyone else.

[von Pilsner]

As to whether the ICRC should be involved in making comments on video games, I think that they are entitled to their opinions, as is anyone else.

Agreed, it's too bad a publicized discussion can cause so much rancor (but I suppose complainers will complain and whiners will whine...)

[ElAurens]

Complaining? Whining?

I'm doing neither.

I'm just shocked that an organization like the Red Cross is wasting their time and our money on a subject so totally out of their purview.

It harkens back to the '50s and '60s when we were told that comic books would rot our brains by folks who thought they knew what was best for everyone else, when what they were really doing was projecting their own shortcomings on the rest of society.

[Ali Fish]

i think we`ve already found out and documented that there are no links in any form. but if it leads to them knowing that after asking the question then fine. and maybe some educative influence may arise.

whats more annoying is that our games do not portray any decision making or morale choices that could slightly be concieved as related to real life warfare. And if they dont study arma whilst they study what we all know they will study.... theres another problem.

Only 15% of ww2 soldiers were willing to kill But 100% of COD/BF players are out to kill theoretically.

[Skoshi Tiger]

i think we`ve already found out and documented that there are no links in any form. but if it leads to them knowing that after asking the question then fine. and maybe some educative influence may arise.

whats more annoying is that our games do not portray any decision making or morale choices that could slightly be concieved as related to real life warfare. And if they dont study arma whilst they study what we all know they will study.... theres another problem.

Only 15% of ww2 soldiers were willing to kill But 100% of COD/BF players are out to kill theoretically.

For each study that shows that there is no link between video games and violence I'm sure you will find one that shows that there is, but that's beside the point.

Like most other high tech countries Australia uses virtual combat simulators for pilot, tank, naval and infantry training. Why? It's got nothing to do with making the trainees more violent, it's all about creating conditioned responses.

You go through a series of exercises and if the training is successful you consistently make the right responses.

COD is supposed to be a WWII Combat flight sim. Now I have no problem if simulators have a way of penalizing kills that are not consistent with the period being simulated.

This doesn't have to be in part of a points system.

Let’s say you shoot down a couple of planes on your own side. One might be a mistake, but after a couple your own team mates would either kick you from the server or shoot you down themselves. What’s wrong with the AI pilots being made capable of the making a similar decision and attempting to shoot you down as well.

A lot of people are asking for a ranking and awards system for campaigns. If we do get one hopefully any medals or advancement will depend upon your actions and you're not going to get medals or increase your rank if you don't achieve your objectives. The opposite of that is if you go around hitting inappropriate targets there should be a series of penalties like being stripped of rank, thrown in the stockade, or taken and put up against the wall and shot!.

Should you get a DFC if you've just plastered your main objective but on the way home you hit a target of opportunity and it turns out to be a column of refugees?

I would hope that any awards system would be able to take a situation like that into account.

Cheers!

[raaaid]

if you shoot your team ai theyll shoot you down :)

[Pomm3s]

Guys,they should chill it,we are all playing for FUN and NOT for agression
...
Why dont they dicuss about the lots of blessed people from lybian war?
Or about the hungry people in africa?

[Viking]

Yes it's just a video game!?
Are you really so naive and plain stupid that you can't see what the game - generation is capable off?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eqYgHZyPNmc

Playing for fun eh! You hear about the drones killing hundreds of innocents all over the world? We are playing for fun !? Think not! We , the net, is educating millions of wana be murderers every year and it is not by accident. This is planned and executed according to orders.

Viking

[DayGlow]

Yes it's just a video game!?
Are you really so naive and plain stupid that you can't see what the game - generation is capable off?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eqYgHZyPNmc

Playing for fun eh! You hear about the drones killing hundreds of innocents all over the world? We are playing for fun !? Think not! We , the net, is educating millions of wana be murderers every year and it is not by accident. This is planned and executed according to orders.

Viking

That's a nicely edited video that removes key parts, such as the reporters standing beside men with rifles looking around a corner at an advancing patrol. It was a combat zone and a patrol was ambushed in the area previously, that's why the Apaches were in the air there.

Try to find out the whole story and not the propaganda

[ACE-OF-ACES]

That's a nicely edited video that removes key parts, such as the reporters standing beside men with rifles looking around a corner at an advancing patrol. It was a combat zone and a patrol was ambushed in the area previously, that's why the Apaches were in the air there.

Try to find out the whole story and not the propaganda
Bingo!

But to be honest.. the mods should lock this thread as it has gone political! That and before I tell these guys what I really think of them! ;)

[swiss]

Yes it's just a video game!?
Are you really so naive and plain stupid that you can't see what the game - generation is capable off?


Utter BS, we're humans, and humans have been capable of cruelties since the beginning of time.
No need for killer games, we're born like that.

[ElAurens]

Thank you Swiss, Ace, and DayGlow.