Red Tails Trailer #3

[ATAG_Snapper]

Yep, tie-fighter maneuvres and hokey scriptwriting notwithstanding, I'm still gonna see this come January 20th! :grin:

http://trailers.apple.com/trailers/iphone/fox/redtails/trailer3/

[41Sqn_Stormcrow]

Somewhere this trailer w/o having to use quicktime?

[BP_Tailspin]

Somewhere this trailer w/o having to use quicktime?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NrnVEDq4QjQ


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yCEMkJ0YF8


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=106JuQQNg10

[41Sqn_Stormcrow]

Thanks, mate. Very much appreciated that you put up the clips.

[robtek]

That is one movie i won't see in a cinema!

[Sternjaeger II]

Why not?

[robtek]

Because it seems to be worse than pearl harbor with "hurra - patriotism" and unbelievable cgi flight scenes.

after the original (tuskegee airman), this can only leave a bad taste, imo.

I'd even prefer captain future and the world of tomorrow, there i know it is basically a comic.

[LoBiSoMeM]

Will see in 3D, just for fun in flight scenes, I like these scenes in 3D, big screen...

But i doubt it'll be really realistic and immersive as "How to Train Your Dragon"!

;)

[Mysticpuma]

I did like the shot of the P-51 coming through the cloud bank though ;)

[ATAG_Dutch]

Because it seems to be worse than pearl harbor with "hurra - patriotism" and unbelievable cgi flight scenes.

after the original (tuskegee airman), this can only leave a bad taste, imo.

I'd even prefer captain future and the world of tomorrow, there i know it is basically a comic.

Absolutely mate. Lawrence Fishburn in 'The Tuskegee Airmen' was low budget but credible.

High budget and incredible (dictionary definition applies), not for me, ta.;)

[Kodoss]

And then after it flops, Hollywood will ask the Taxpayers for compensation like the porn industry did. :mrgreen:

[Sven]

I just recovered from watching Saving private ryan and Pearl harbor, do they want me dead or something? :grin::grin::grin:

[Sternjaeger II]

I just recovered from watching Saving private ryan and Pearl harbor, do they want me dead or something? :grin::grin::grin:

whoa whoa whoa, hang on a minute, what was wrong with SPR?! :confused:

[ATAG_Snapper]

Full disclosure: as a video making enthusiast, I took a one-day course in Toronto with the guy (Phil Bloom) that George Lucas later brought in to do the in-cockpit filming for RedTails. So, in my view, that pretty much puts me on a first name basis with ol' Georgie, so I HAVE to go see his movie in case we ever run into each other at, like, a cocktail party....or something. Just sayin', is all.......

[AKA_Tenn]

It looks like this movie is mostly about the combat scenes... bit of racial bickering... but mostly big explosions by the looks of it... worth a watch... but from the trailers it reminds me a lot of transformers, pretty lame on the acting and story, but lots of shiny objects to stare at.

[SIDWULF]

Where is the FW-190? it is much more visually appealing and then the 109...im surprised they didnt put it in the movie!

[ReconNZ]

Will see in 3D, just for fun in flight scenes, I like these scenes in 3D, big screen...

But i doubt it'll be really realistic and immersive as "How to Train Your Dragon"!

;)

I loved "How to train your dragon!!" :cool:

And I'll support any WW2 airplane movie! Keep em coming!

[machoo]

Apart from the BS maneuver that the P51 does it looks pretty awesome to me. It's a movie.

[SIDWULF]

It was a BS maneuver! They could of made it a bit more realistic but just as impressive by making the pilot go into a violent snap roll when the 109 was trailing him closely and then recovering just behind the 109 in time to blow his tail off. Or both of them straight vertical and the 109 drops before the P-51 and the P-51 drops right on his tail.

Just sayin.

[machoo]

Well atleast Lucas didnt throw in a maneuver where they jam on the brakes ( or whatever is the equivalent ) the enemy goes flying passed and thinks " wtf did they go?" and then they get shot down in a ball of flame.

[hiro]

well if this does well in the box office . . .

lucas or other producers may consider doing others . . . like condor legion or luftwaffe eastern front or japanese pilots . . .

heck maybe they will do something on VVS women . . .


or what if it does well and suddenly WW 2 sims becomes the in thing for game companies . . .

[Feathered_IV]

A VVS females movie just begs to be made. Be a cold day in Hell before you see one about the lufties or the Japanese though.

[robtek]

Yep, can't be heroic and evil at the same time.

[Sternjaeger II]

A VVS females movie just begs to be made. Be a cold day in Hell before you see one about the lufties or the Japanese though.

I think letters from Iwo Jima and Che were two good examples that quality movies on "uncomfortable" subjects can still be made.

[robtek]

That is correct imo also, but a independent director, like Eastwood.

I don't think that those 2 Eastwood movies Flags of our Fathers and Letters from Iwo Jima were box office hits comparable to, yuck, Pearl Harbor.

[Kodoss]

It is possible to make good WWII movies showing the german side.

Das Boot, Stalingrad, Cross of Iron are good examples for this.

You only need a good Storywriter, what is hard to get in modern times with its sequals, prequals and its only good/bad guy themes.

As a story you could take and old pilot who was on war from the beginning of his carreer and is delusioned and a young inexperienced, overmotivated and from propaganda blinded pilot. That all around late43/early1944 where the bomber raids became more and more massive and the situation for the luftis became more desperate and disadvantaged. Just a movie about normal people who try to survive in a war that lost all barriers.

[Sternjaeger II]

That is correct imo also, but a independent director, like Eastwood.

I don't think that those 2 Eastwood movies Flags of our Fathers and Letters from Iwo Jima were box office hits comparable to, yuck, Pearl Harbor.

that's probably the mentality that Hollywood needs to drop, all in all Letters from Iwo Jima did quite good
http://www.the-numbers.com/movies/2006/LFIJM.php

things didn't go as well for Che, but it has to be said it had an appalling distribution.

[Anders_And]

Haha i loved Pearl Harbour! Was laughing for 2h nonstop!
Everyone is awake in the morning, the kids are playing baseball surrounded by american flags, the women are up taking care of the laundry, everyone is up with the rising sun to embrace the american way of living. The US Navy and airforce however are deep asleep and wake up with the first bombs! Why were they not out and doing laundry or playing baseball of doing laundry like the rest, that way the would have been alerted in time like everyone else...

[LoBiSoMeM]

The "german side" will never be glorified in "normal" movies, because axis lost the war and all the NSDAP "behaviour"...

Live with that... It's one of the biggest "wrong sides" of human history. ;)

[Kodoss]

I never mentioned glorification. Actually I hate it, that "We are the best of the best of the best"-behavior. And I have no intention in rewriting history or denying it.

I just want to see a movie, which also shows the dark side of both sides, not only light. How young men blinded by lies, half truth and propaganda were thrown into an environment where only death is certain.

The only thing what I want is to see a movie in which you can see what happens to people, and how they became like that.

As a warning for the future, showing the cruelity of war and to remember those who died on all sides.

PS: And I have no interrest in starting a fundamental debate of, who is the badest war criminal. fact is germany did the worst in WWII.

[SharpeXB]

It is possible to make good WWII movies showing the german side.

Das Boot, Stalingrad, Cross of Iron are good examples for this.

You only need a good Storywriter, what is hard to get in modern times with its sequals, prequals and its only good/bad guy themes.

As a story you could take and old pilot who was on war from the beginning of his carreer and is delusioned and a young inexperienced, overmotivated and from propaganda blinded pilot. That all around late43/early1944 where the bomber raids became more and more massive and the situation for the luftis became more desperate and disadvantaged. Just a movie about normal people who try to survive in a war that lost all barriers.
Like a Das Boot in the air. That would be an excellent film.

[Kodoss]

I forgot to mention "All quiet on the western front".

Both the 1930 and 1979 movies.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbArOFsXs6I

[MD_Titus]

The "german side" will never be glorified in "normal" movies, because axis lost the war and all the NSDAP "behaviour"...

Live with that... It's one of the biggest "wrong sides" of human history. ;)
uh what?
Like a Das Boot in the air. That would be an excellent film.

excellent, long, depressing sense of the inevitable.

although tbf galland or hartmann would make good subjects for a film. rudel not so much, what with all that nazi-poster-boy thing he had going on.

[Feathered_IV]

For pure fiction the Luftwaffe novel, "Ace" by Spencer Dunmore is a great little yarn. BoB fledgling to jaded Bodenplatte veteran with lots of rooting and flying in between. Certainly enough room for mass appeal in there.

[LoBiSoMeM]

I just want to see a movie, which also shows the dark side of both sides, not only light. How young men blinded by lies, half truth and propaganda were thrown into an environment where only death is certain.

"A Bridge Too Far" is a good start. ;)

[zakkandrachoff]

some ´pics.
(se the """yellow" TAIL of the BF109 and Me262
http://i970.photobucket.com/albums/ae188/zakkandrachoff/redtails1.jpg

http://i970.photobucket.com/albums/ae188/zakkandrachoff/redtails2.jpg

http://i970.photobucket.com/albums/ae188/zakkandrachoff/redtails5.jpg

http://i970.photobucket.com/albums/ae188/zakkandrachoff/redtails21.jpg

http://i970.photobucket.com/albums/ae188/zakkandrachoff/redtails50.jpg

http://i970.photobucket.com/albums/ae188/zakkandrachoff/redtails51.jpg

[machoo]

Whats the yellow tails mean?

[Sven]

Can't say I've seen much if any yellow tails in late war scenarios, I have seen many yellow rudders though. Could be wrong, don't know everything ;)

[Feathered_IV]

Whats the yellow tails mean?

It's so even the most disinterested viewer (meaning target audience) can tell who the bad guys are. Red tails = good, yellow tails = cowardly Huns.

[machoo]

Ah well , the skins look good and nodoubt we'll see copies online soon for us:)

[Richie]

Because it seems to be worse than pearl harbor with "hurra - patriotism" and unbelievable cgi flight scenes.

after the original (tuskegee airman), this can only leave a bad taste, imo.

I'd even prefer captain future and the world of tomorrow, there i know it is basically a comic.



+1

[Kwiatek]

It was a BS maneuver! They could of made it a bit more realistic but just as impressive by making the pilot go into a violent snap roll when the 109 was trailing him closely and then recovering just behind the 109 in time to blow his tail off. Or both of them straight vertical and the 109 drops before the P-51 and the P-51 drops right on his tail.

Just sayin.


It looks that they watched History Dogfights.

Look at 0:40 of these video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C4dREcyJ648&feature=related

WW2 RL pilot said about such manouver in P-51D which he used.
It looks like one spin in deep turn but shoting and hiting someone in such manouver is like miracle.

[zakkandrachoff]

It looks that they watched History Dogfights.

Look at 0:40 of these video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C4dREcyJ648&feature=related

WW2 RL pilot said about such manouver in P-51D which he used.
It looks like one spin in deep turn but shoting and hiting someone in such manouver is like miracle.

yep , 0.45 to 0.48 . in that time exist "Vector Thrust Aerobatic Radio" like f22???.
you cant do that shit , iven if you are flying a Fokker Dr.I

[Richie]

What JG is that?


http://arstechnica.com/civis/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=1152516


"The enemy has to be more Nazi" :) I love that one


Here's what I would tell a person to watch.

The old 1948 12 O Clock High

Tora Tora Tora

The Battle Of Britain

The reason why these older movies are so good imo is you actually know why things are happening and what's actually going on from both points of view in the last two films.


I wonder if the wing leader of what ever JG it is in this movie will have some sort of condition so over the RT he sounds like.....you know who :)

[Richie]

These 109s look great


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8y83rT19jFA&feature=channel_video_title

[Buster_Dee]

To me, it would best serve that squadron if a film depicted how they worked out their tactics, developed new ones, trained. Research how they did things, represent it well, and let the story tell itself. Yes, maybe their success had much to do with how hard they threw themselves into a fight. But I'll bet there was a good measure of originality. Very good squadrons didn't accomplish as much. I want to see why.

[VF101-jay]

I, like the majority in this forum have never flown a P-51 in combat, so I won't assume to call a combat vet a liar when he is talking about his personal confirmed victories. I have seen stunt planes at airshows do things that I wouldn't have thought possible, who knows what one of those old warbirds could do when yanked out of it's flight envelope at over 300mph in the thin air at a couple thousand feet.

[hiro]

To me, it would best serve that squadron if a film depicted how they worked out their tactics, developed new ones, trained. Research how they did things, represent it well, and let the story tell itself. Yes, maybe their success had much to do with how hard they threw themselves into a fight. But I'll bet there was a good measure of originality. Very good squadrons didn't accomplish as much. I want to see why.


Could be a God thing, why they were more successful that the average 'very good squad'. I remember one of the trailers, the whole squadron was praying . . .

[robtek]

In a war most, if not all, fighting soldiers start to pray, believers or not.

[Richie]

I see a 109 with a Totenkopf - Death Head SS Panzer insignia on the cowling and an Udet Falcon below the canopy. So I guess there was a Panzer Div. that had a few JG3 109s? How would Red Tail fans like it if this movie screwed up that bad? That super low budget "Fortress" comes out way ahead as far as doing enemy aeroplanes correctly.

[Feathered_IV]

I think there is now sufficient evidence to suggest that this movie is going to suck very hard indeed.

[Blakduk]

I would still like to see a film version of 'Bomber' by Len Deighton- great book, well balanced showing the stupidity, heroism, and mundanity of both sides. Not to mention luck enountered by all concerned, both good and bad. I read somewhere years ago that the guy who made 'Memphis Belle' originally wanted to do this book but couldnt get funding or a flightworthy Lancaster.
I believe a big problem with something like the story of the Tuskegee airmen is that it is too complex for a blockbuster movie. I predict the story will be weighed down by too much sentimentality and a need for drama that an audience can immediately appreciate- that's why these movies often have such one-dimensional characters with instantly recognisable angels and demons.

[Richie]

Because it seems to be worse than pearl harbor with "hurra - patriotism" and unbelievable cgi flight scenes.

after the original (tuskegee airman), this can only leave a bad taste, imo.

I'd even prefer captain future and the world of tomorrow, there i know it is basically a comic.


+1

Just in case you do go and it is sucking big time, every time an allied aeroplane goes down let out a great big... HORRIDO! You'll get yourself kicked out of the theater for sure after a few of those. Maybe even punched in the head LOL. Who knows you may even have an IL-2 flyer answer you back and you can go for a beer later and discuss flight models and this terrible movie. That's my plan anyway.

[Richie]

I wish it was summer because I would walk into the theater with my T-Shirt with Puffs 109 Pilot Art on it.

[MoGas]

I wish it was summer because I would walk into the theater with my T-Shirt with Puffs 109 Pilot Art on it.

I like it....

[Blackdog_kt]

+1

Just in case you do go and it is sucking big time, every time an allied aeroplane goes down let out a great big... HORRIDO! You'll get yourself kicked out of the theater for sure after a few of those. Maybe even punched in the head LOL. Who knows you may even have an IL-2 flyer answer you back and you can go for a beer later and discuss flight models and this terrible movie. That's my plan anyway.

Hahahah, sounds like a plan...if you want to get in a fight and called names that is :-P

[Tree_UK]

I judge all movies these days by seeing if they can measure up to what I consider to be the greatest movie of all time, and from what Ive seen of the trailers I dont think this film is fit to lick 'Teen Wolfs' boots!!

[JG52Uther]

Probably one to see on the cheap at home. For some mad reason I do feel like I need to see 'air combat' type movies, but usually just end up shaking my head afterwards at 'what might have been' given the money thats spent on them.

[JG52Krupi]

Dark Blue World is the best ww2 flight movie IMHO even if it had the usual love triangle and buchons :( it was still very good

[Flanker35M]

S!

Dark Blue World is one of the best ones indeed. These trailers really made me feel sorry for the people watching the movie. Really for what kind of audience is it targeted to? Someone with no brains and any clue of WW2 history? Cheebus...Even Memphis Belle with it's inaccuracies was better than this crap.

[Feathered_IV]

I recall Lucas taking over the film and rewriting the script a couple of years ago. I wonder what the original was like.

[JG52Krupi]

I really despise the way American war films tend to never tell the whole truth most seem to glamorise war, we might as well still be in one for all the amount of propaganda that is shoved in our face :(

[badfinger]

I would still like to see a film version of 'Bomber' by Len Deighton- great book, well balanced showing the stupidity, heroism, and mundanity of both sides. Not to mention luck enountered by all concerned, both good and bad. I read somewhere years ago that the guy who made 'Memphis Belle' originally wanted to do this book but couldnt get funding or a flightworthy Lancaster.
I believe a big problem with something like the story of the Tuskegee airmen is that it is too complex for a blockbuster movie. I predict the story will be weighed down by too much sentimentality and a need for drama that an audience can immediately appreciate- that's why these movies often have such one-dimensional characters with instantly recognisable angels and demons.

YES! "Bomber" is the best aviation novel I have ever read. Sometimes, I pick it up, randomly open it, and just start reading. What a great movie it would make.

binky9

[Richie]

S!

Dark Blue World is one of the best ones indeed. These trailers really made me feel sorry for the people watching the movie. Really for what kind of audience is it targeted to? Someone with no brains and any clue of WW2 history? Cheebus...Even Memphis Belle with it's inaccuracies was better than this crap.

Right. It would never do how that German officer is very cordial at the Czech air base commenting on their aircraft. In an American film he would be Goosestepping in there yelling and screaming ROUSE! SCHNELLE!...Every time I see something like that I laugh to myself. You watch..if they show them at all the luftwaffe pilots in this Red Tails film will have fangs in their mouths probably :P..In my opinion American film makers have got to quit assuming that their audiences are stupid because they're not.

[Richie]

I thought the one movie that got things perfect was the 1969 Battle of Britain as far as the depiction of each side went. Probably because pilots from the RAF and Luftwaffe were advisers. If there is a single person in here who hasn't seen it I think you should. After you do I bet you ten dollars you run over to your PC jump into your Spitfire Hurricane or 109 and take to the skies.

[Clarie]

Im a huge noob at this still.

Just Wondering about Germany aces status at the time must have been really high.

[Robert]

Not to sound like nearmiss, but it's the only WW2 movie regarding fighter pilots we have. ;)

Seriously though, I wonder how many prospective movies of this ganre won't be made based on poor attendance of Red Tails. Probably not many, but even if a few quality ones won't be made for seemingly lack of interest, it would be a shame.

I'm on the fence regarding seeing this on the big screen. While watching playoff football with my father the other day, he mentioned he wanted to see this. I'll probably go just to take him. My dad is so anti theatre/cinema, that for him to utter something like this, he must really want to go. So, I'll take him to a matinee.


What I do find frustrating is for the same reasons many have said here. With the apparent budget spent on this movie, you'd think they'd hire someone who knows a thing about flight models. The story of the Tuskeegee Airmen is an important part of American history. It deserves to be seen. It sadly is only going to have limited appeal, anyway. Why not make it as accurate as you can?

[Robert]

I recall Lucas taking over the film and rewriting the script a couple of years ago. I wonder what the original was like.



Less "Yippee!"???

[Richie]

Im a huge noob at this still.

Just Wondering about Germany aces status at the time must have been really high.

The highest scoring one during that time was Helmut Wick who was killed or MIA



http://www.luftwaffe.cz/wick.html


An add on :)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6kRDdnTLeQw

[Robert]

I judge all movies these days by seeing if they can measure up to what I consider to be the greatest movie of all time, and from what Ive seen of the trailers I dont think this film is fit to lick 'Teen Wolfs' boots!!


Are we talking Teen Wolf 1 or Teen Wolf 2 here? I mean there HAS to be standards, and I don't think I've ever seen a movie as bad as TW2. It would be very difficult to measure up to the sequel. Hech the subject matter alone is enough to float it above TW2...... I hope. ;)

[SA_Chaney_475th]

Yep, tie-fighter maneuvres and hokey scriptwriting notwithstanding, I'm still gonna see this come January 20th! :grin:

http://trailers.apple.com/trailers/iphone/fox/redtails/trailer3/

So funny how someone always has to complain about something. lol. This is going to be an awesome movie and NO it's not star warsish! Hokey scriptwriting???? Why, cuz it's a movie about something you aren't familiar with?? I bet you, this movie wins all type of awards. Please stay at home and drink jack daniels or whatever you do because you don't deserve to be able to see this movie.

[bongodriver]

this movie wins all type of awards

does everything that wins awards deserve to? it almost certainly will win awards but they will be of 'token' value

[Sternjaeger II]

So funny how someone always has to complain about something. lol. This is going to be an awesome movie and NO it's not star warsish! Hokey scriptwriting???? Why, cuz it's a movie about something you aren't familiar with?? I bet you, this movie wins all type of awards. Please stay at home and drink jack daniels or whatever you do because you don't deserve to be able to see this movie.

..not bad for a first post, coming from UbiZoo by any chance? :mrgreen:

[zauii]

Effects and CGI == amazing, but the whole "patriotism" is insane. In that short trailer it just screams "america, we are best times 10" and it kinda puts you off. I'll definitely watch it but i bet its gonna leave a bad an unrealistic taste just like Pearl Harbor. It will be interesting to see how they portray the Germans in the movie..

[IamNotDavid]

Effects and CGI == amazing, but the whole "patriotism" is insane. In that short trailer it just screams "america, we are best times 10" and it kinda puts you off. I'll definitely watch it but i bet its gonna leave a bad an unrealistic taste just like Pearl Harbor. It will be interesting to see how they portray the Germans in the movie..

It's a story about how America treated a racial minority like crap. How does that scream "America, we are the best time 10"? It seems to me that it screams "America, wtf???"

[Kodoss]

Guys, the trailer says: "inspired by true events." That means it's not a documenary.

Movies are only fairy tales. If you don't like it, then don't watch it.

[LoBiSoMeM]

Effects and CGI == amazing, but the whole "patriotism" is insane. In that short trailer it just screams "america, we are best times 10" and it kinda puts you off. I'll definitely watch it but i bet its gonna leave a bad an unrealistic taste just like Pearl Harbor. It will be interesting to see how they portray the Germans in the movie..

Germany don't had one Romani squadron in WWII, so, germans plays just a support role in the movie... ;)

[David Hayward]

It will be interesting to see how they portray the Germans in the movie..

Considering that they invaded most of Europe and killed millions, I'm betting that the Germans will be the bad guys.

[zauii]

It's a story about how America treated a racial minority like crap. How does that scream "America, we are the best time 10"? It seems to me that it screams "America, wtf???"

Seriously watch the trailers again.

Considering that they invaded most of Europe and killed millions, I'm betting that the Germans will be the bad guys.

Which is exactly what makes a bad movie. I'd surely like to see a a series made in the similar -> style <- of Band of Brothers but from the German or Japanese perspective instead.
Dive into the group/individuals experience but skip the political business. The reason for why its almost never been done before (both for movies, games) is because everyone is scared of how the public will react.

I don't deny the facts and I do not agree with what they did and their politics but you can tell stories without acting like it's Star Wars. The same goes for games,
most people feel fed up with fighting the "Russians" or "Germans" as the evil nation while the American hero saves the day for the 69th million time.

Part reason why i enjoy simulators without any story or games that can actually portray both sides in a fair and respectable way(ie RO2).

[David Hayward]

Which is exactly what makes a bad movie. I'd surely like to see a a series made in the similar -> style <- of Band of Brothers but from the German or Japanese perspective instead.


When you start a war that kills millions of people you're probably not going to be portrayed as the good guys in the movies that follow the war,

[David Hayward]

Seriously watch the trailers again.


I watched it repeatedly. You're only seeing what you want to see.

[zauii]

When you start a war that kills millions of people you're probably not going to be portrayed as the good guys in the movies that follow the war,

Thats not the point jeeze , you seriously don't get it?

I watched it repeatedly. You're only seeing what you want to see.
I think its the other way around bud.

[David Hayward]

Thats not the point jeeze , you seriously don't get it?

Yes, that is the point. Losing wars has consequences. One of those consequences is that the winners make movies that do not reflect well on the losers. And no one goes to movies that reflect well on people who started massive wars.

[David Hayward]

I think its the other way around bud.

How about if you post all the quotes from the trailer about how great America is?

[FFCW_Urizen]

And no one goes to movies that reflect well on people who started massive wars.

Whole Germany wanted War with everyone else, hell, even little unborn Irma living next door wanted War and the reigning Sociopath just followed that call :rolleyes:

[Bewolf]

Yes, that is the point. Losing wars has consequences. One of those consequences is that the winners make movies that do not reflect well on the losers. And no one goes to movies that reflect well on people who started massive wars.

hmmmmmm....

http://mmimageslarge.moviemail-online.co.uk/Das-Boot.jpg

[zauii]

Yes, that is the point. Losing wars has consequences. One of those consequences is that the winners make movies that do not reflect well on the losers. And no one goes to movies that reflect well on people who started massive wars.

And thats exactly were you're going deeply wrong, plenty of people would play games as the Germans in a compelling story or watch movies like BoB from their perspective where they're not portrayed as animals.
Would we be nazis because of this no? Some people enjoy watching Saw movies, are they murderers no? Portray them as good fighters or focus on something else instead of the political business.
(Or dont involve it at all, just focus a movie on a battle instead of insulting one or the other side from ONE angle).

The music industry got past this hurdle a long time ago and you've bands like Sabaton who develop songs about everything from the American Paratroopers to the Polish resistance and the German Ghost Division Tribute.
It's been what ~67 years, and thats exactly my whole point. Fed up with yet another American patriotic/biased movie. The discussion is useless because you refuse to see were i am going with this.

I shouldn't have to repeat this but you don't get it, its not about the politics. As I've said before I totally disagree with everything they did so I'm not trying to pick sides here.
It's about making interesting movies that can display both sides in a fair manner instead of using one angle.

And so back to the movie, i'll watch it for the CGI but i bet its gonna leave a bad taste.

[Bewolf]

And thats exactly were you're going deeply wrong, plenty of people would play games as the Germans in a compelling story or watch movies like BoB from their perspective where they're not portrayed as animals.(Would we be naziz because of this no?, Some people enjoy watching Saw movies, are they murderers no?) Portray them as good fighters or focus on something else instead of the political business(Or dont involve it at all, just focus a movie on a battle instead of insulting one or the other side from ONE angle).

The music industry got past this hurdle a long time ago and you've bands like Sabaton who develop songs about everything from the American Paratroopers to the Polish resistance and the German Ghost Division Tribute.
It's been what ~67 years, and thats exactly my whole point. Fed up with yet another American patriotic/biased movie. The discussion is useless because you refuse to see were i am going with this.

I shouldn't have to repeat this but you don't get it, its not about the politics. As I've said before I totally disagree with everything they did so I'm not trying to pick sides here. It's about making interesting movies that can display both sides in a fair manner instead of using one angle.

And so back to the movie, i'll watch it for the CGI but i bet its gonna leave a bad taste both in terms of how the Germans are portrayed vs the Americans and also aerodynamics & realism. Hopefully we'll see more interesting war movies in the future with todays modern technology, such a shame otherwise.

Just think Indiana Jones when seeing these kind of movies, and everything is well =)

[zauii]

Just think Indiana Jones when seeing these kind of movies, and everything is well =)

lol :)

[David Hayward]

And thats exactly were you're going deeply wrong, plenty of people would play games as the Germans in a compelling story or watch movies like BoB from their perspective where they're not portrayed as animals.

You should make a movie which shows the WW2 Germans as good guys and prove everyone who makes movies wrong.

[David Hayward]

Whole Germany wanted War with everyone else, hell, even little unborn Irma living next door wanted War and the reigning Sociopath just followed that call :rolleyes:

Whole Germany may not have wanted war, but whole Germany followed the sociopath to war.

[David Hayward]

hmmmmmm....

http://mmimageslarge.moviemail-online.co.uk/Das-Boot.jpg

What about it? It was a good movie, but it didn't do much ($10 million) at the box office. Pearl Harbor made $200 million in the US alone.

[KG26_Alpha]

Yea but I can stand to watch Das Boot after all this time, cant be said for the other one though, Tora Tora Tora beats it hands down as a direct comparison.



imho
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[David Hayward]

Yea but I can stand to watch Das Boot after all this time can the said for the other one though.

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Unless you're willing to cover the difference between a $10 million box office and a $200 million box office, your opinion of the movie is mostly irrelevant.

[David Hayward]

Yea but I can stand to watch Das Boot after all this time, cant be said for the other one though, Tora Tora Tora beats it hands down as a direct comparison.

imho
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Tora Tora Tora tanked at the box office. It barely made a profit.

[KG26_Alpha]

Tora Tora Tora tanked at the box office. It barely made a profit.



I watch films that have great content storyline and believable characters, not the fact they made millions at the box office.




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[David Hayward]

I watch films that have great content storyline and believable characters, not the fact they made millions at the box office.

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They make movies to make money, and movies like Pearl Harbor make a lot of money.

[FFCW_Urizen]

I watch films that have great content storyline and believable characters, not the fact they made millions at the box office.




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+1 to that

[Bewolf]

What about it? It was a good movie, but it didn't do much ($10 million) at the box office. Pearl Harbor made $200 million in the US alone.

Oh? It was a good movie? And enough ppl wanted to watch it to make it a financial success achieving 10million when it came out in the 80ies?

What happend to "And no one goes to movies that reflect well on people who started massive wars."?

What about Valkyrie, the Tom Cruise one, making almost $200.000 world wide?

[winny]

Unless you're willing to cover the difference between a $10 million box office and a $200 million box office, your opinion of the movie is mostly irrelevant.


To rate a movie purley by it's financial performance is missing the point.

Using that scale would make 'Transformers Dark of the moon' the 4th best film ever made... I can tell you, it aint. Nor is Avatar the best film ever made..

It's a soul-less way to judge a film. Some are chewing gum for the eyes, some are serious artistic pieces of work. Regardless of box office take.

As for Red Tails, it looks like a message movie, but at the end of the day when those boys were stepping off the ship back in the USA they were greeted with a sign that said 'Whites to the Left, Blacks to the right' so I don't really see how it can be all 'hell yeah'.

I'm sure the action sequences will be spectacular and I don't care about accurate FM, if all action films cared about the laws of physics then life would be pretty dull.. Remeber kids it's the movies, supension of belief and all that..

[David Hayward]

To rate a movie purley by it's financial performance is missing the point.


No, it's the ENTIRE point. Movies made for rivet counters don't make lots of money. That's why very few are made.

[David Hayward]

What about Valkyrie, the Tom Cruise one, making almost $200.000 world wide?

Valkyrie was about the very few Germans who tried to end the war, not about those who fought.

[David Hayward]

As for Red Tails, it looks like a message movie, but at the end of the day when those boys were stepping off the ship back in the USA they were greeted with a sign that said 'Whites to the Left, Blacks to the right' so I don't really see how it can be all 'hell yeah'.


His view that it's a "hell yeah USA" movie is idiotic. It's really an anti-1940s USA movie.

[winny]

No, it's the ENTIRE point. Movies made for rivet counters don't make lots of money. That's why very few are made.

Like I said, if you're judging a movie purley based on what it took at the box office then you're making the exact same mistake as Hollywood is.

Who said anything about movies made for Rivet counters?
I'm talking..
Blade Runner, poor at the box office
Shawshank Redemption, bombed
Donnie Darko, 2 theatrical releases - took around a million (US).
The Big Lebowski, very average takings
Resevoir Dogs, 1.5 million(US)

Top 5 grossing movies of all time. (The best 5 movies ever made, if money is the ENTIRE point)
1. Avatar, jeez
2. Titanic, my heart won't go on..
3. Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows, people need to grow up.
4. Transformers Dark of the moon, obviously waaay better than Citizen Kane
5. Lord of the Rings Return of the king, it... never... ends..

[David Hayward]

Top 5 grossing movies of all time. (The best 5 movies ever made, if money is the ENTIRE point)


It is the ENTIRE point. It's the only way we have to determine if lots of people like the movie. Whether or not it's a "good" movie is just your opinion. I thought Blade Runner sucked.

[David Hayward]

Speaking of great movies...

Moonrise Kingdom (http://trailers.apple.com/trailers/focus_features/moonrisekingdom/)

I'll let you figure it out.

[Bewolf]

Valkyrie was about the very few Germans who tried to end the war, not about those who fought.


lol, I see how it is, but enough of ego stroking you by replying to this stuff

[winny]

It is the ENTIRE point. It's the only way we have to determine if lots of people like the movie. Whether or not it's a "good" movie is just your opinion. I thought Blade Runner sucked.

No it's the only way to determine how many people went to see it or how many people bought the marketing campaign, nobody knows how many liked it. I saw Avatar and Titanic at the cinema, hated them both, according to you I liked both these films because I paid to see them.

Why have the Academy Awards? We don't need opinion getting in the way of making billions of dollars. Just give all the Oscars to the highest grossing movie of the year, job done.

[David Hayward]

No it's the only way to determine how many people went to see it or how many people bought the marketing campaign, nobody knows how many liked it. I saw Avatar and Titanic at the cinema, hated them both, according to you I liked both these films because I paid to see them.

Why have the Academy Awards? We don't need opinion getting in the way of making billions of dollars. Just give all the Oscars to the highest grossing movie of the year, job done.

I never said that everyone who goes to a movie likes it, but it's certainly the best indication of how many people liked a movie. The Oscars are just the opinions of a well-connected group of people.

[5./JG27.Farber]

Most main stream stuff is utter s%^&.

"A fool and his money are soon parted..."

Its not about how much money a film made or how many people saw it. Its about what it ment to you and why you remember it. However even then filmakers have "artistic license" which is another word for b"^^$&!^...

[JG52Krupi]

Most main stream stuff is utter s%^&.

"A fool and his money are soon parted..."

Its not about how much money a film made or how many people saw it. Its about what it ment to you and why you remember it. However even then filmakers have "artistic license" which is another word for b"^^$&!^...

+1 take Avatar, the way they talked about that film.. and what did we get a story that has been done 20000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 Times before..... OHHHH 3D that made the same dull pathetic story sooo much better :evil:

[winny]

I never said that everyone who goes to a movie likes it, but it's certainly the best indication of how many people liked a movie. The Oscars are just the opinions of a well-connected group of people.

It's not an indication, it's an assumption.
You're the one who said money was the entire point. It is simply not true.
Nobody comes out of a film they've seen and liked and then changes their mind because it didn't do so well financially. The top grossing movies of all time contradict your point. Compare any online Best films of all time lists. That's a better indication. You may see films as a transaction, I see them as an art form.

I judge them on what I get from them, not how much they took from us.

You seem to like dropping grenades into conversations, you've said all Germans were Nazis, in a roundabout way. Completely disregarding the fact that to stand up against Hitler meant certain death, for you and most probably your family.
Are you personally responsible for all the bad things your government has done in your life time? It seems to me you'll say anything.

If you want to live in a world where everyone gets tarred with the same brush and the only value of art is financial then fine, but stop the world first coz I'm getting off.

[David Hayward]

It's not an indication, it's an assumption.
You're the one who said money was the entire point.


I hate to burst your bubble, but they make movies to make money. Lots of money. So they are going to make movies that they feel will advance that goal. Period.

[David Hayward]

you've said all Germans were Nazis, in a roundabout way.

I said nothing of the sort, in any way. I said that Germans followed a sociopath to war. Which they did.

[corchard]

Interesting explanation from George Lucas about his motivation and challenges of making "Red Tails".

George Lucas on the Daily Show (http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mon-january-9-2012/george-lucas)

Charlo

[Kodoss]

@David Hayward:
I can't watch apple related trailers, cose I'm not commercialy brainwashed and own one.

So could you please use links to free/standard players.:rolleyes:

[SA_Chaney_475th]

..not bad for a first post, coming from UbiZoo by any chance? :mrgreen:

LOL well actually I tried posting on here before but I could never understand all the +1s and the +100000s. lol. Is that some kind of thread and post slang that I am completely ignorant of? But actually in no offense to this site because I like what you guys have done. Truly. But I'm a die-hard ballz to the wall SAS fiend. DBW is why I wake up in the mornings. Oops and I forgot work hehe. To see you guys integrate or "help" work with SAS on integrating 4.11 or all the other 4.1s that will be made, would be one of the most definitive times in my life. I could tell my grand kids about it someday LOL. Cheers!

[SA_Chaney_475th]

Because it seems to be worse than pearl harbor with "hurra - patriotism" and unbelievable cgi flight scenes.

after the original (tuskegee airman), this can only leave a bad taste, imo.

I'd even prefer captain future and the world of tomorrow, there i know it is basically a comic.

Something isn't quite right here lol. Let's pretend this movie was about Gunther Rall. Would that change the mood a lil bit? Now we all can understand Pearl Harbor. It was a love story and c'mon, a chick flick at best. So what I'm saying is, there are pieces missing here for all this negative response to the movie none of you have even seen. For one, you grumbling sons of a's aint going to get a live show. Gotta go to an Air Show for that and most likely you won't get the manuevering because hell, what 2 million dollar warbird owner is going to do snap rolls all day in his vintage p-51 for YOUR amusement?
Ok we had Memphis Belle a few years back. All star cast! No one seemed to complain then. CGI was still in it's "getting better" stage. The First TA movie was made with maybe 5000 dollars. It was as horrible as Mosquito Squadron. Guys, when will you realize that you are asking for too much? Now if you have personal reasons why you can't or don't wanna see a movie about how horridly America treated our African American pilots , who helped win the war by the way!, then that's between you and God. But to sit there and criticize a movie for the CGI effects from the same director that broght you Star Wars??? I don't want to curse so I'll stop here. Bottom-line is, bring a better excuse because some of you aren't being honest to these readers.

[pencon]

I just hope they don't speak in ebonics in the movie (Let me axe you this , Oh no you di-int girlfren , Whachoo talkin bout willis etc . That'll ruin the whole thing .They should be speaking like it's the 1940s .I was hoping this would be about WW2 , not about the black cause .Also I hope it's not like pearl harbour where 2 guys take on the entire enemy force and win .

[pencon]

LOL well actually I tried posting on here before but I could never understand all the +1s and the +100000s. lol. Is that some kind of thread and post slang that I am completely ignorant of? But actually in no offense to this site because I like what you guys have done. Truly. But I'm a die-hard ballz to the wall SAS fiend. DBW is why I wake up in the mornings. Oops and I forgot work hehe. To see you guys integrate or "help" work with SAS on integrating 4.11 or all the other 4.1s that will be made, would be one of the most definitive times in my life. I could tell my grand kids about it someday LOL. Cheers!

I have ultrapack3 , what's the difference between SAS and ultrapack ?

[David Hayward]

I was hoping this would be about WW2 , not about the black cause .

I have good news for you. It's about WW2.

[SA_Chaney_475th]

I just hope they don't speak in ebonics in the movie (Let me axe you this , Oh no you di-int girlfren , Whachoo talkin bout willis etc . That'll ruin the whole thing .They should be speaking like it's the 1940s .I was hoping this would be about WW2 , not about the black cause .Also I hope it's not like pearl harbour where 2 guys take on the entire enemy force and win .

Ebonics? Wow, I hope we don't have any African American readers out there because I would take offense to that and everything you stated here. Use more common sense and keep your personal stereotypes and opinions to yourself. I guarantee that it wouldn't cause a reaction, no matter how you personally feel.

[SA_Chaney_475th]

I have ultrapack3 , what's the difference between SAS and ultrapack ?

Well since this is 1C I'm not going to elaborate too much but I will say that they use a ton of mods. Mods that are usually not seen on online play. If you like a ton of realism, they have it. You can visit the site:

http://www.sas1946.com/main/index.php
Hope that helps. :)

[IamNotDavid]

Ebonics? Wow, I hope we don't have any African American readers out there because I would take offense to that and everything you stated here. Use more common sense and keep your personal stereotypes and opinions to yourself. I guarantee that it wouldn't cause a reaction, no matter how you personally feel.

I think the motivation for his post is pretty obvious.

[KG26_Alpha]

Ok fellas can we slow down a bit here please..............


pencon
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[335th_GRAthos]

Having seen the movie, it is actually pretty good!

I wish I had these fps flying through bomber formations ;)

Great scenes and great graphics and the story is the normal one (packed up to fit in 2hrs movie of course).

Only the scenes their are dogfighting ME-262s with P-51s are a bit exagerrated. A single bullet from the four MK108 of the ME-262 would have destroyed half a P-51 (instead of making holes in the cockpit).

~S~