Su26

[Faucon]

Any news about it?

Still waiting it since 03/31/2011 :roll: My COD stays in Stand-by. It's getting quite annoying since it has been removed at the last moment before the release.

Thx.

[MD_Titus]

You bought a second world war combat flight sim solely to use a modern stunt plane?

[Tacoma74]

Maybe after Luthier and team get the physics and flight models ironed out. Only time will tell. Can't wait to shoot one down ;)

[MoGas]

Any news about it?

My COD stays in Stand-by. It's getting quite annoying since it has been removed at the last moment before the release.

Thx.

Soo u are saying u are not playing COD until SU26 arrives? :rolleyes:

Is there not a FSX addon somewhere?

[IamNotDavid]

Any news about it?

Still waiting it since 03/31/2011 :roll: My COD stays in Stand-by. It's getting quite annoying since it has been removed at the last moment before the release.

Thx.

You should buy Rise of Flight. The Sopwith Pup handles a lot like a Su26. :rolleyes:

[TomcatViP]

Any news about it?

Still waiting it since 03/31/2011 :roll: My COD stays in Stand-by. It's getting quite annoying since it has been removed at the last moment before the release.

Thx.

It's called a Spit. You hve some exta guns for free :grin:

(sry old joke)

[albx]

It's called a Spit. You hve some exta guns for free :grin:

(sry old joke)

I see, another blue whiner, never happy :rolleyes:

[mazex]

For some reason I start thinking that Sukhoi maybe has been bought by Northrop Grumman ;)

/mazex

[highness]

It belongs in the Russian expansion.

i have the russian version here, where is it?

[trumps]

Why on earth would anyone buy a BoB sim and not play it because the Sukoi didn't make the cut? Wonder if Ilya still has the disks at the front counter of 1C's office ;)

Craig

[Trooper117]

Seems a ludicrous reason not to play the game.. surely you buy the game to play WWII air warfare?..

[ATAG_Snapper]

Seems a ludicrous reason not to play the game.. surely you buy the game to play WWII air warfare?..

I bought it for the trains. When will they become flyable?

[GOA_Potenz]

I bought it for the trees, but i can't climb one or build treehouse cause it has no bloody collision model

[Krt_Bong]

I bought it for the nekkid girls (oops sorry wrong forum)

[Faucon]

You bought a second world war combat flight sim solely to use a modern stunt plane?

Is there not a FSX addon somewhere?

Why on earth would anyone buy a BoB sim and not play it because the Sukoi didn't make the cut?

COD is the only simulator with correct FM to do aerobatics. FS is far far far far behind (I've tried the Extra300 and some addons, it's just ridiculous). IL2 is even better.
Or I've never heard about another good simulator. If it exists I would be glad if you tell me.

The reason why I bought COD is not your problem. If it wouldn't be so unfinished (at its release), may be I could say I didnt buy it only for aerobatics.

[highness]

soo.. where is it??? why there haven't been even a word about it from Luthier ?

(lol, the extra300 in FSX is a joke ...)

[ATAG_Bliss]

lol you guys. In all seriousness though, Faucon deserves his Su26.

If you don't know anything about Faucon's team - The Virtual French Aerobats, I highly suggest watching this: http://vimeo.com/7454012

AND here's another team:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XgLJ6e4akLA&feature=related

Faucon without his stunt plane is about the same feeling as us without our ammunition! These guys bring a whole new element to stunt and acrobatic flying. I'm hoping you guys get your plane one day, so you can make more videos :)

[ATAG_Doc]

I think having it in stand by without paying for it would be worse for 1C than paying for it first then putting it in stand by. Do you agree?
I am going to buy another copy to give away.

[JimmyBlonde]

I bought it for the trains. When will they become flyable?

You could probably ramp one off of the Dover cliffs in the FMB. It would make an interesting experiment anyway.

[jg27_mc]

COD is the only simulator with correct FM to do aerobatics...

Of course it is...

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=27168&page=26

[Scarecrow]

Wow Faucon you guys are awsome! Hope you get your Su26, it's inclusion was meant to prove how good the physics modelling was so maybe once the physics is fixed we'll get to see you guys over London.

http://vimeo.com/7454012 @1.10 I actually shouted out loud! Incredible

[TUCKIE_JG52]

At this point, related to Su-26, there are news, but not from Luthier...

Carenado, the FSX/X-Plane addon company, has created Alabeo, another addon company, but focused in aerobatic planes and not specifying what simulator:

http://www.facebook.com/Alabeo

http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/379518_242241482500599_222192937838787_672265_2107 280733_n.jpg

http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/297568_241967312528016_222192937838787_671355_1687 156022_n.jpg

If this is going to be into FSX it will be a serious mistake. X-Plane should not be so bif mistake, but what I really would like is that kind of addons made into CoD; as Faucon, I also fly aerobatics in RL, and I'm also totally agree that no other simulator apart of Il2 series is closer to real aerobatics when we speak about FM.

PS: Faucon, I'm looking for your great videos and all of them were deleted on youtube, what happened?

[TomcatViP]

One of the most serious on that field that I remember :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S352W9_7JoA

I might one day take time to install it back on my HD

[Liz Lemon]

The Su-26m flight model, engine model and propeller model was present in the game, but it seems to have been removed with one of the recent updates.

I did do a quick and dirty mod that replaced the tigermoths flight model with that of the 26. Was pretty fun to fly around.

[KeBrAnTo]

You bought a second world war combat flight sim solely to use a modern stunt plane?

+1 No need at all IMHO. This is WW2 simulator, bring us WW2 planes.

Why not an AH-64H Apache? :rolleyes:

[TUCKIE_JG52]

+1 No need at all IMHO. This is WW2 simulator, bring us WW2 planes.

Why not an AH-64H Apache? :rolleyes:

Ahh, I like the "positive" and "open mind" way behind your words! ;)

Sorry, but this is an excellent propeller plane sim, not only WWII. If people don't see far beyond it's not the problem of the rest of the simmers who want realistic planes in a realistic simulator instead of eye-cany planes in non realistic simulators.

Anyway, the more planes there will be, the more best seller will it be. Want it or not, civillian planes on civillian simulators sells more than combat planes in a combat simulator only. The key to survive is spread to more markets.

And talking about realism, some real flyers are expecting more realistic flight model effects to be implemented in CoD, like true P-Effect, and specially, PROPWASH, there's not only torque on a propeller plane! Hope all these will be implemented on future FM reworks!


Some of us already use 1946 as a serious training for real life aerobatics. Ki-27 behaves very similar to the plane I fly. So we also want this kind of real training in CoD.

[TUCKIE_JG52]

I can't remember it ever being in the game. You have any images of it in game?

Interesting comment about the IL-2 series FM's, any one care to comment on the AccuSim guys' flight models? Everyone seems to rave about their prop pitch and systems/sounds. Are their FM's less than stellar?


There are images of the Su-26 in CoD when it was the Igromir pre-release display:

http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSxo9FnkQuakTWjZPWIgLtC8QASIuUwU o6XyWEJdYQqAonT9fszHQ3IAwYqHQ


I've not tested accusim, but I'm not expecting much realism on a faulty FM base like FSX. It's not an Accusim problem, it's the platform they chose. All these expansion creators shour consider workking for CoD.

[TUCKIE_JG52]

The Su-26m flight model, engine model and propeller model was present in the game, but it seems to have been removed with one of the recent updates.

I did do a quick and dirty mod that replaced the tigermoths flight model with that of the 26. Was pretty fun to fly around.

I've never installed any mod into CoD, but if your mod works, it would be the one and only I would install, just to test... It could be nice to made it into Fiat G50 with no ammo, just to have an aerobatic radial engine plane like Su-26...

Is there any way to use it? Or it's impossible due the removal you tell?

[Ataros]

The Su-26m flight model, engine model and propeller model was present in the game, but it seems to have been removed with one of the recent updates.

I did do a quick and dirty mod that replaced the tigermoths flight model with that of the 26. Was pretty fun to fly around.

Could you share it please if it still works with new patches?

[Dano]

Could you share it please if it still works with new patches?
erm...
The Su-26m flight model, engine model and propeller model was present in the game, but it seems to have been removed with one of the recent updates.

I did do a quick and dirty mod that replaced the tigermoths flight model with that of the 26. Was pretty fun to fly around.

[Faucon]

PS: Faucon, I'm looking for your great videos and all of them were deleted on youtube, what happened?

Deleted by youtube ;)

Here is the new one. I just uploaded 2 videos of some flights with Cap10.
http://www.youtube.com/user/Cap10Aerobatics?feature=mhee

[TUCKIE_JG52]

Deleted by youtube ;)

Here is the new one. I just uploaded 2 videos of some flights with Cap10.
http://www.youtube.com/user/Cap10Aerobatics?feature=mhee

Nice to see you online again, but I'm missing your virtual videos like "Rolls", and specially, your VFAT 2010 display, that unfortunately missed and it's not on livestream...

I see we are flying almost the same plane, you fly the Cap10C, I the Cap10B. Someone told me that C is more agressive, I don't know...
Comparing to 1946, I've found that apart on power, Ki-27 behaves very similar in some aspects to our Mudry, what do you think?



And just one more thing... Alabeo, the new company I told in the previous page, has announced today his first aerobatic addon... the Pitts S-1S, but... for FSX :(

I think they'll doing a big mistake, only eye candy, no good FM! :(

http://img717.imageshack.us/img717/6088/snap1vz.jpg

[ACE-OF-ACES]

i bought it for the trains. When will they become flyable?rotfl

[ACE-OF-ACES]

Why on earth would anyone buy a BoB sim and not play it because the Sukoi didn't make the cut?
It is strange..

I think a lot of the people who complain in this forum have that kid in the back seat mentality..

Where they think if they ask 'ARE WERE THERE YET' every 30 seconds that it will some how magically make the distance between point A and point B shorter.

When in fact the only real effect it has is on the driver (in this scenario Luther) who learns to tune these kid-os out..

Well that is the modern PC effect..

Back in the day the effect use to be that of the driver spinning around and backhanding the kid-o while doing 75 down the road..

Another true parenting skill that has been lost in the modern PC world ;)

But I digress..

In summary the scary part is the kid-o really believes he is helping by making the distance between point A and point B shorter!

[Kongo-Otto]

Deleted by youtube ;)

Here is the new one. I just uploaded 2 videos of some flights with Cap10.
http://www.youtube.com/user/Cap10Aerobatics?feature=mhee

Wow, just wow!!!
S!

[KeBrAnTo]

Ahh, I like the "positive" and "open mind" way behind your words! ;)

Sorry, but this is an excellent propeller plane sim, not only WWII. If people don't see far beyond it's not the problem of the rest of the simmers who want realistic planes in a realistic simulator instead of eye-cany planes in non realistic simulators.

Anyway, the more planes there will be, the more best seller will it be. Want it or not, civillian planes on civillian simulators sells more than combat planes in a combat simulator only. The key to survive is spread to more markets.

And talking about realism, some real flyers are expecting more realistic flight model effects to be implemented in CoD, like true P-Effect, and specially, PROPWASH, there's not only torque on a propeller plane! Hope all these will be implemented on future FM reworks!


Some of us already use 1946 as a serious training for real life aerobatics. Ki-27 behaves very similar to the plane I fly. So we also want this kind of real training in CoD.

HI Tuckie, I agree with you regarding the "economic" aspects of your words, and the FM modelled in the sim, no doubt at all about that. :-)

Said that, what I do not consider a priority, neither should be for the devs, and I do not agree with, is to start including "extras" in a WW2 combat sim that needs to be deeply fixed first. :confused:

Once it is fixed, everything is running as expected and all the WW2 combat simmers are happy with the product they should be hands-free to spend as many efforts they consider adequate in order to bring aerobatic planes or even a 747 so they can steal Microsoft's FSX market into IL2 CoD if they want to, but until we reach that moment I think it is not serious to start other sub projects, they should focus on fixing the WW2 sim, that is what it is in the first term regardless if the FM is better or worse, or if it is good to make more profit on a non yet finished product or not, and first make customers who bought their longly expected WW2 combat flight sim happy.

I just built my home-made cockpit at home last month, and I would be really interested and could be asking for an additional feature implemented in the sim in order to get support for external gauges and not having to develop it by myself. Am I doing so?, No.

For me this would be more interesting than aerobatics which I'm am not interested about at all, but I think there are more important things that should be dealt with before starting dealing with particular or minority requests, that's all.

[klem]

COD is the only simulator with correct FM to do aerobatics. FS is far far far far behind (I've tried the Extra300 and some addons, it's just ridiculous). IL2 is even better.
Or I've never heard about another good simulator. If it exists I would be glad if you tell me.

The reason why I bought COD is not your problem. If it wouldn't be so unfinished (at its release), may be I could say I didnt buy it only for aerobatics.

Tried X-Plane? Thats supposed to be an improvement on FSX FMs.

[Sternjaeger II]

lol you guys. In all seriousness though, Faucon deserves his Su26.

If you don't know anything about Faucon's team - The Virtual French Aerobats, I highly suggest watching this: http://vimeo.com/7454012

AND here's another team:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XgLJ6e4akLA&feature=related



lol seeing a prop plane flying aerobatic routines meant for jets is quite funny (other than not realistic ;) )

[Faucon]

lol seeing a prop plane flying aerobatic routines meant for jets is quite funny (other than not realistic ;) )

Jesus... :rolleyes: Never speak about things you dont know.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ba5nvUzXG3E
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSnDGOG0SNE&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IA0Y0HiVVsU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fXl4xDV6-k

Enough?

[JG52Krupi]

jesus... :rolleyes: never speak about things you dont know.

enough?

owned!

[Faucon]

Stop talking about FSX and its ridiculous FM ;) This is why I'm waiting the Su26 of COD.

[TUCKIE_JG52]

Stop talking about FSX and its ridiculous FM ;) This is why I'm waiting the Su26 of COD.

Faucon, don't be so dramatic, we agree that FSX is ridiculous for aerobatics, but some developers like Carenado (and hope Alabeo) makes their planes for FSX and X-Plane. There's a new X-Plane version (10) out there, today the free demo has been launched: http://www.x-plane.com/

Just try it, and we may cross fingers the Alabeo and other developers makes their planes also for X-Plane first, an later for CoD. At least I'm already requesting it in their facebook page...

They got the 3D model, CoD has the FM, it's only a question of merge, or don't you wanna fly this?
http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/385120_250053508386063_222192937838787_693316_1777 336961_n.jpg

Anyway, you perfectly know that there's no propwash at all in CoD; at this moment, RoF has a better detailed FM (and X-Plane too but it depends on every concrete plane). CoD needs a realistic P-effect and a working propwash!

[Sternjaeger II]

Jesus... :rolleyes: Never speak about things you dont know.

Enough?

I'm sorry, but unlike you I'm not an armchair expert.. :rolleyes:

One thing is flying the formations like you see in the videos you posted, another is the video of the IL-2 aerobatics. Since you're an expert I'm sure that you've heard of concepts like propwash and turbulence, which aren't modelled in IL-2 (or better, they're in the code but not activated) and are massive on planes like the P-51.
A formation takeoff with P-51s like that of the IL-2 video is impossible to achieve, it's only stuff for jets. Let me show you what can happen in formation landings with taildraggers of that calibre..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLnKYJLzjjI

Little arrogant, self-proclaimed experts like you should always check who they're measuring with before making comments on stuff they obviously don't know much about, if anything to avoid being humiliated with facts. Unbelievable..

[TUCKIE_JG52]

I'm sorry, but unlike you I'm not an armchair expert.. :rolleyes:

One thing is flying the formations like you see in the videos you posted, another is the video of the IL-2 aerobatics. Since you're an expert I'm sure that you've heard of concepts like propwash and turbulence, which aren't modelled in IL-2 (or better, they're in the code but not activated) and are massive on planes like the P-51.
A formation takeoff with P-51s like that of the IL-2 video is impossible to achieve, it's only stuff for jets. Let me show you what can happen in formation landings with taildraggers of that calibre..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLnKYJLzjjI

Little arrogant, self-proclaimed experts like you should always check who they're measuring with before making comments on stuff they obviously don't know much about, if anything to avoid being humiliated with facts. Unbelievable..

Are you telling that propwash caused this accident? That's not what the FAA report proclaims in that concrete accident... did you read it?

The propwash is real, true, but it's also true that there are some ways of flying just out of it or minimise its effect:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxv8ySs6Yvk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBq1vhaeqYA

[TomcatViP]

Turbulences are not activated in the FM but propwash generated by one plane onto another is. At least OFFLINE IMHO ;)

By the way I mentionned earlier the excellent Flight Unimited sim that had Propwash, turbulences, wind, rain, a finely tuned FM (for teh leagcy planes : Grop, Pits, SU26 ...) and a spectacular smooth full ATC never seen since anywhere else by myself.

That says a lot of what price we had to pay for nice graphics !

Pls Luthier if you ever happend to read this, bring us back to low polygons untextured world in your next patch ! :twisted:

[Sternjaeger II]

Are you telling that propwash caused this accident? That's not what the FAA report proclaims in that concrete accident... did you read it?
I haven't said it's propwash that caused the accident, all I was pointing at are the risks related to operating warbirds in unnecessary risky manoeuvres like formation takeoffs and landings. Believe me, I've read the report again and again cos I'm friends with one of their crew chiefs.


The propwash is real, true, but it's also true that there are some ways of flying just out of it or minimise its effect:


Yeah, these guys are not pushing 1650HP on a four bladed propeller though, there's quite a difference.

[Sternjaeger II]

Turbulences are not activated in the FM but propwash generated by one plane onto another is. At least OFFLINE IMHO ;)


Tomcat, the propwash ingame is just a graphic thing I think and it's just a fraction of what it really is in RL.

[TUCKIE_JG52]

I haven't said it's propwash that caused the accident, all I was pointing at are the risks related to operating warbirds in unnecessary risky manoeuvres like formation takeoffs and landings. Believe me, I've read the report again and again cos I'm friends with one of their crew chiefs.


Ok, then you already know that was not a formation landing. The second plane did not land for the correct runway, so he was not expecting anybody on its way.

There's some difference between a "if you try to land in formation you'll crash" and "he was not landing in formation and found another plane ahead (at less speed)".

Lined up takeoff may be a problem, I agree, but landing... you land at idle!


Anyway, we were debating about having aerobatic planes in CoD...

[Sternjaeger II]

Ok, then you already know that was not a formation landing. The second plane did not land for the correct runway, so he was not expecting anybody on its way.

There's some difference between a "if you try to land in formation you'll crash" and "he was not landing in formation and found another plane ahead (at less speed)".

I can't comment on this any longer on a public forum, PM me if you want to know more.


Lined up takeoff may be a problem, I agree, but landing... you land at idle!

Anyway, we were debating about having aerobatic planes in CoD...

Man, we do 2 ship take-offs with the mustangs, but NEVER attempt formation landings, it's a very very very risky business, a million things can go wrong in a big engined taildragger when coming down for landing, the last thing you want is another big plane like yours nearby. They don't chop the throttle until they're flaring, they need to be ready for a go-around and avoid torque stall.

[TUCKIE_JG52]

I can't comment on this any longer on a public forum, PM me if you want to know more.

Thanks, I have my own fonts... :)


Man, we do 2 ship take-offs with the mustangs, but NEVER attempt formation landings, it's a very very very risky business, a million things can go wrong in a big engined taildragger when coming down for landing, the last thing you want is another big plane like yours nearby. They don't chop the throttle until they're flaring, they need to be ready for a go-around and avoid torque stall.

Ok, that's a procedure thing, agreed.

[TomcatViP]

Tomcat, the propwash ingame is just a graphic thing I think and it's just a fraction of what it really is in RL.

I understand what you said Stern. But I think that PW is both too complicated to be calculated by the FM and the amplitude of its effect being nearly cte (depending of angle ratio) it can be treated accuratly by only a graphic trick (eg : bank over or shaking). Just like turbulences (minus G ( hence speed)).

The prob with prop wash is that it add a tangencial component to the speed adding a third dimension to be fully calculated by the FM engine at each iteration.

End of OT speculations from me here ;)

[Sternjaeger II]

I understand what you said Stern. But I think that PW is both too complicated to be calculated by the FM and the amplitude of its effect being nearly cte (depending of angle ratio) it can be treated accuratly by only a graphic trick (eg : bank over or shaking). Just like turbulences (minus G ( hence speed)).

The prob with prop wash is that it add a tangencial component to the speed adding a third dimension to be fully calculated by the FM engine at each iteration.

End of OT speculations from me here ;)

Yeah, Oleg mentioned it years ago though, he said there is a FM for propwash and wake turbulence, but it wasn't activated to "reduce the difficulty level" (read "it wasn't working properly").

Rise of Flight is very good for this, but I agree, we've got a long way to go in terms of FM, imagine when sims will be able to do this

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3199/2620285041_00ee61648c.jpg

[Faucon]

Little arrogant, self-proclaimed experts like you should always check who they're measuring with before making comments on stuff they obviously don't know much about, if anything to avoid being humiliated with facts. Unbelievable..

MORON
Where did I ever said "I'm an expert"?

Your message ("lol seeing a prop plane flying aerobatic routines meant for jets is quite funny (other than not realistic)") was just too light to understand you were speaking about a specific thing (landing in formation with warbirds).
Next time, be clear, dumb shit.

[Sternjaeger II]

MORON
Where did I ever said "I'm an expert"?

Your message ("lol seeing a prop plane flying aerobatic routines meant for jets is quite funny (other than not realistic)") was just too light to understand you were speaking about a specific thing (landing in formation with warbirds).
Next time, be clear, dumb shit.

you, sir, have just been reported.

..it burns when you're proven wrong eh, keyboard hero? :rolleyes:

[Faucon]

You are just one of those guys who cant read what we are saying to them.

Your message ("lol seeing a prop plane flying aerobatic routines meant for jets is quite funny (other than not realistic)") was just too light to understand you were speaking about a specific thing (landing in formation with warbirds).
Next time, be clear, dumb shit.

When I read your first message I thought it was like "making formation flights with warbirds" is not realistic. This is simply why I answered with videos of formation flights made with prop planes.

Now someting else about the razgriz's video: If they are landing in close formation, it's their choice and right. It's a game after all. Realistic or not, it depends how you use it. For example (Tuckie can confirm), I'm part of a virtual aerobatic team (Blue Comets) which is led by an experimented formation flight pilot (with prop-planes). For live show, we were always landing one by one after a break. "Blue Comets, virtual world, real procedures".
You seems to laugh unrespectaly at people doing this in IL2.

And you better not accusing me of being an "armchair expert" while I post (on the same topic) 2 videos of myself making advanced aerobatics with a 2-seats (advanced for this kind of plane I mean, not the competition level).

[Sternjaeger II]

You are just one of those guys who cant read what we are saying to them.


no, I'm one of those guys who don't like arrogant folks of your stance.

When I read your first message I thought it was like "making formation flights with warbirds" is not realistic. This is simply why I answered with videos of formation flights made with prop planes.

you don't want to fly diamond formations like they do either, or you'll fly in the wake turbulence of the plane in front of you. Take off and landings as they do are cool to see but are not realistic with a high performance prop plane.


Now someting else about the razgriz's video: If they are landing in close formation, it's their choice and right. It's a game after all. Realistic or not, it depends how you use it. For example (Tuckie can confirm), I'm part of a virtual aerobatic team (Blue Comets) which is led by an experimented formation flight pilot (with prop-planes). For live show, we were always landing one by one after a break. "Blue Comets, virtual world, real procedures".
You seems to laugh unrespectaly at people doing this in IL2.

no, I just said it's funny, it's probably because I used to fly close formations with vintage planes and I know the dos and donts of such activity. As you said it's a game, it's not reality, but some people see that and are actually convinced it's feasible. I find it amusing, that's it.


And you better not accusing me of being an "armchair expert" while I post (on the same topic) 2 videos of myself making advanced aerobatics with a 2-seats (advanced for this kind of plane I mean, not the competition level).
well I want to hope that you were passenger, because if you're learning to become an aerobatic pilot and you don't understand what I mean you've got a LONG way to go buddy..

..and all of this still doesn't justify for your language and offensive words..

[Faucon]

Sure I understand what you meant. What I'm saying, once again, is that you weren't enough clear, as I explained...


well I want to hope that you were passenger
It would be hard since I'm alone in the plane :rolleyes:

[Sternjaeger II]

Sure I understand what you meant. What I'm saying, once again, is that you weren't enough clear, as I explained...

still no reason for your smarmy answer, since you don't know my flight experience..


It would be hard since I'm alone in the plane :rolleyes:

well you'll need a lot of luck then: arrogant pilots like you don't usually survive themselves..

[pupo162]

still no reason for your smarmy answer, since you don't know my flight experience..



well you'll need a lot of luck then: arrogant pilots like you don't usually survive themselves..

dont you think you have trolled enough yet?

[Madfish]

Sorry stern but are you on drugs or what is wrong with you?
lol seeing a prop plane flying aerobatic routines meant for jets is quite funny (other than not realistic ;) )

I'm sorry, but unlike you I'm not an armchair expert.. :rolleyes:

blablablabla

Little arrogant, self-proclaimed experts like you should always check who they're measuring with before making comments on stuff they obviously don't know much about, if anything to avoid being humiliated with facts. Unbelievable..

Until this point Faucon hasn't been arrogant or rude at all. Please go see a doctor to get your issues fixed mate or at least re-read what you're writing.

You literally entered the discussion with a kiddo comment "lolz I gotz the 1337 speak raight ay?"
Of course people will misunderstand that pointless gibberish, and they did. Their response however you counter with a ton of insults.

On top of everything you aren't even capable to read since it was mentioned before that Faucon is a real acrobatics pilot so once more you humiliated no one other than yourself.


I've tried to defend you on a number of occasions but this time I must advise you to call an ambulance and get yourself checked out ASAP before derailing this any further.


I REALLY hope this can stop now. I honestly think it's completely boring.
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That aside I want to mention a few things.

First thing I did when I bought IL2 CloD was trying to go into free flight and select the SU. That was the time when I even visited the forums and made a topic to ask about the SU, where it is and what I'm doing wrong because I can't fly it.
I WANTED THAT PLANE. And it was promised to us by them.

The devs said it'd prove the awesomeness of the FM. I'd even understand if they'd sell it as a DLC. But I want that plane.


For many people shooting is NOT the essence of flight. In fact we all spend 99.9% of the time just flying and NOT pressing the trigger. You don't even have that much ammo OR that many enemies.
But "mastering" flight in a safe "armchair" way is enjoyable. No fuel costs, no degrading planes, no risk of life - it's just perfect and in many ways much better than the real thing.

Now of course some "real" experts will say "no way blablablabla" - I don't care. It's rubbish. You can't expect 7 billion people to fly an airplane. Get over it - just because you fly a real plane you're nothing better than the smart people who actually may prefer not polluting the globe for nonsense. It's a great hobby for some but it can't be one for everyone. And no one is better than someone else just because of a stupid hobby.

What I really think is that the SU and more "civil" planes would still add a lot to the sim AND may increase the sales. I love "stunt" flying. Many others as well. Not necessarily formation flying but really just jerking around etc. It's fun, it's awesome and the more planes you have the more fun it really gets. Especially together and in multiplayer. And that means sales.

I don't believe that we need to take out everything that's not about bullets piercing your victim - much of the sim is just for pleasure and there is NO harm in a SU 26. It can't even fire a bullet so why would the masses be so scared of it?

If you fear that the devs would sacrifice precious time - you're wrong. The SU26 is 99% complete. The model is there, the FM is "there". Maybe it needs adjustment but heck, sell it for 10 bucks and I'll buy it! The game sells for the same now so how can that be a loss?


@tuckie and faucon - I agree, the game is closest regarding the FM and all. I too remember the awesomeness of Flight Unlimited. Damn, I LOVED that game. I wish a bit of it's spirit could be transplanted into CloD for those of us who're not constantly on the hunt but actually hunt for joy in flight.

[Dano]

still no reason for your smarmy answer, since you don't know my flight experience..



well you'll need a lot of luck then: arrogant pilots like you don't usually survive themselves..

If you can't see why he reacted that way many of us can, you need to calm down and get a grip to be honest.

[Sternjaeger II]

dont you think you have trolled enough yet?

trolled enough? Let's look at facts again:

1) someone posts a link to a video of an online aerobatic team
2) I make an innocuous comment about the fact that it's not realistic (never said it's not cool, just not what you'd see in RL)
3) Faucon gets all patronising on me, when in fact he didn't understand what I was talking about.
4) I believe I have enough flying hours on a variety of aircraft to tell that he obviously doesn't know what he's talking about himself (turns out he didn't understand what I said).
5) he gets wound up and insults me.
6) I still keep it civilised and talk to him, his comments still leave me a bit puzzled in terms of true aeronautical knowledge.
7)..and I'm the troll?!

I really dunno what's wrong with some of you guys..

[pupo162]

trolled enough? Let's look at facts again:

1) someone posts a link to a video of an online aerobatic team ( who happens to be facuon~s team)
2) I make an innocuous comment about the fact that it's not realistic (never said it's not cool, just not what you'd see in RL) ( you posted an inflamatory comment waiting for a response)
3) Faucon gets all patronising on me, when in fact he didn't understand what I was talking about. (faucons hits your bait, the happiest moment of your day to show you wrong)
... etc...

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[Sternjaeger II]

Sorry stern but are you on drugs or what is wrong with you?

Until this point Faucon hasn't been arrogant or rude at all. Please go see a doctor to get your issues fixed mate or at least re-read what you're writing.

erm, are we reading the same forum? :confused:
His patronising answer "Jesus... :rolleyes: Never speak about things you dont know." is offensive enough as far as I'm concerned. One could keep things civilised and ask "so why you say that?", there's no need for all that passive aggressive crap.

Then he also calls me names and gets all crazy at me and I'm the one that need to be checked?!


You literally entered the discussion with a kiddo comment "lolz I gotz the 1337 speak raight ay?"
Of course people will misunderstand that pointless gibberish, and they did. Their response however you counter with a ton of insults.

No, I just made an innocuous remark about flying tight formation with mustangs. It's an exercise of joystick ability, but it's unrealistic, period. What's hard, offensive or inappropriate about this? Have I said "all virtual aerobatic teams are w@nkers!"? No.


On top of everything you aren't even capable to read since it was mentioned before that Faucon is a real acrobatics pilot so once more you humiliated no one other than yourself.

So? A pilot can't be wrong? I'm a "real pilot" too, with several hundred hours under my belt (you can go look for details in the OT forum, it was discussed some time ago), and frankly I find it weird that a "fellow real pilot" doesn't get what I mean.

I've tried to defend you on a number of occasions but this time I must advise you to call an ambulance and get yourself checked out ASAP before derailing this any further.

I REALLY hope this can stop now. I honestly think it's completely boring.

It's a nice thought, but I don't need to be defended. I don't talk about stuff that I don't know, and I would like that the other forum members would stick to this habit, cos there's an evergrowing amount of primadonnas here, and very few of us actually have a grasp of what flying really is.

Christ, I've seen people having a go at Bongo, a professional pilot, because they thought they knew it better! I'm subscribed to several forums on the internet, but none of them has the amount of frustrated wannabes like in here. I don't really think it's me that needs to get a grip..

[Sternjaeger II]

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dude, I had no idea it was his team, and even if I did, am I entitled to my opinion or not? I flicked fast through the topic, got curious about the video, opened it, found it cute but not realistic, made a comment about it. I'm not dissing anyone here.. jeeez it feels like dealing with wanna be homeboyz in da hood..

Like our mod alpha suggests: you don't like me? Put me on ignore list.

[Sternjaeger II]

If you can't see why he reacted that way many of us can, you need to calm down and get a grip to be honest.

yeah maybe it's not me that needs to calm down: one can have a civilised exchange of opinions without going all xxxxxx and calling others names. I'm perfectly calm as it happens, just surprised at how short-fuzed some folks in here are..

[Madfish]

trolled enough? Let's look at facts again:

[no facts at all]

I really dunno what's wrong with some of you guys..
Wow. Read my comment above and pay attention to the quotes (they are from you if you didn't notice). If you don't understand it get a friend (if you have something like that) read and explain it for you.

Also your list is funny. For a facts guy you're really good at getting them all wrong and messed up.
Here's the real list:
1) You were the one using "lolspeak" first (in a patronizing way even!) because of a random video
2) then he replied. You said in a patronizing way - good, now you're equal at best.
3) You reply again. In some sort of ghetto language and totally insulting.
See? That's a list. And it's correct.

You were first with insulting so get over it now. Like I said before I tried to defend you on a number of occasions because I believe in "free and open speech" but what you're doing here is just rubbish. Don't go looking for internet fights - it makes you look like a weird kiddo in a dark cellar.


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Speaking of the Su26 - does anyone know how to get Flight Unlimited running on a "recent" computer? I tried searching the web but no results so far. I'd REALLY love if someone has a tip.

https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Flight_Unlimited

I also wonder if the mappers could create something like the Flight Unlimited maneuver courses etc. with the "new" editor and C++ capability?

[Dano]

yeah maybe it's not me that needs to calm down: one can have a civilised exchange of opinions without going all ape$hit and calling others names. I'm perfectly calm as it happens, just surprised at how short-fuzed some folks in here are..

Your comments were in no way civilised, you provoked his response, end of.

[TUCKIE_JG52]

I simply see that Sternjaeger did not exppress it well, ok, but talking, people use to understand each other, not insulting like Faucon did. That was not fair Faucon, it's not the first time I see you "loosing the papers". Please calm down you both. Forums (in general) are an easy way to get angry, but it's completely useless...

Even if someone is wrong, the last thing we can do is go down to insult. Just keep talking, please.

End of this topic for me.

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Can we focus back on the Su-26? Thank you.

1. What was said about that plane in CoD is that was promised long time ago, almost 5 years ago. One of the reasons it was that Oleg worked on the OKB Sukhoi for that real plane.

2. Oleg left the 1C team and CoD project is given to Luthier, who is told to launch the sim to the market in 1 year.

3. The Alpha shown in Igromir display shows some images from a Su-26. Only external images, but someone writes that the cockpit of the plane is unfinished and gauges do not work. Not sure if Oleg was still on the team or not by then. Can anyone confirm?

4. The fear is that Oleg's departure is also the end for that plane since HE was who knew the plane.

5. Since the next thing happened long time ago I think I can speak about it already. I receive a private message in my Youtube account from an user called OlegMaddox, asking if I still fly the Su-26.
Well, I only recorded some videos from real 26 of some friends I know. I do not fly the 26, and less at that moment, when I was starting fo fly in a Cessna. I respond him with those facts and I offer him the contact of some real Su-26 pilots, but I get no more news from him.

6. CoD arrives to marked with no 26, but there's a subfolder with its name in skins folder, and as said before, FM still there but inactive.

7. Su-26's FM disappears in a patch.


Not good expectations to see the plane in the simulator again, sincereously...
:(

But Luthier keep saying that CoD might grow with an expansion industry around it like the one that growed FS... hope is not lost at all!

[TomcatViP]

Since I am reading this thread from the start of that specific discussion yesterday may I say that I don't see how Stern's comments cld be seen as being rude.

Stern only adopted a general tone that prevail those days on teh Forum (sadly !)

It might be that exposing himself Faucon was irritated by this tone. I am sure that if he had been more present on the Forum lately he wld hve been immunised by such comments.

Regarding the sense of the discussion, Stern is as right as Faucon (Falcon) on many occasions provided us with nice vids and perfectely executed actions altough the insults here reflect a temporary loss of temper easily correctable.

Once more this discussion is typical of the wrong way we are all taking by acting agressively toward each others despite the fact that at the end we are all found of aviation

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQSNhk5ICTI

[PinkMode=OFF] ;)

[winny]

yeah maybe it's not me that needs to calm down: one can have a civilised exchange of opinions without going all xxxxxx and calling others names. I'm perfectly calm as it happens, just surprised at how short-fuzed some folks in here are..

It's because you're downright arrogant.

You always attack the poster not the post. Always.

I'm sorry, but unlike you I'm not an armchair expert.. :rolleyes:


Little arrogant, self-proclaimed experts like you should always check who they're measuring with before making comments on stuff they obviously don't know much about, if anything to avoid being humiliated with facts. Unbelievable..

Absolutley charmless.


you don't want to fly diamond formations like they do either, or you'll fly in the wake turbulence of the plane in front of you. Take off and landings as they do are cool to see but are not realistic with a high performance prop plane.


well I want to hope that you were passenger, because if you're learning to become an aerobatic pilot and you don't understand what I mean you've got a LONG way to go buddy..


And you're saying this to a RL formation flyer...

Patronising (another of your specialities)

[KG26_Alpha]

Like our mod alpha suggests: you don't like me? Put me on ignore list.

You have used this out of context, please keep private message discussions that have nothing to do with this thread just that, private.

Now all get back on topic please.

:)

[Sternjaeger II]

look, I didn't mean to offend or diss anyone, if some of you have personal issues with me, probably cos you have nothing better to do, well it's your problem. This is the only forum I've ever took part to where there's so much negativity, resentment and frustration, where something as silly as my comment can stir such a big mess..

I have no further comments on the matter, hopefully things will settle here and we'll be able to continue a civilised conversation..

[No601_Swallow]

look, I didn't mean to offend or diss anyone, if some of you have personal issues with me, probably cos you have nothing better to do, well it's your problem. This is the only forum I've ever took part to where there's so much negativity, resentment and frustration, where something as silly as my comment can stir such a big mess..



:roll:

I've read so much opinionated garbage on this forum over the past few months but all this from Sternthingy (pace Tree) takes the biscuit.

And back on topic...

I also would have loved the Su26, if only to confirm my own suspicion about how "off" FSX FMs are. And I still look forward to the flourishing 3rd party "ecosystem" that will (WILL!!!) grow around CloD. I'd pay (a little) for a Biggin bristling with accurately modelled buildings and ancilliary activity, etc... Let alone the aircraft (Wellington wellington wellinginton well...).

I still do have hopes for the Su26...

[JimmyBlonde]

Come on somebody, I want to see a video of a train getting ramped off of a cliff.

Pleeeeeease?

[Sternjaeger II]

:roll:

I've read so much opinionated garbage on this forum over the past few months but all this from Sternthingy (pace Tree) takes the biscuit.


yeah, you kinda represent the archetype of what I was talking about, thanks for providing a prompt example.

[Dano]

look, I didn't mean to offend or diss anyone, if some of you have personal issues with me, probably cos you have nothing better to do, well it's your problem. This is the only forum I've ever took part to where there's so much negativity, resentment and frustration, where something as silly as my comment can stir such a big mess..

I have no further comments on the matter, hopefully things will settle here and we'll be able to continue a civilised conversation..

Maybe if you quit insulting people it would help.

[Sternjaeger II]

Maybe if you quit insulting people it would help.

well sorry but it wasn't me who started insulting (I'd be interested to be proven otherwise!). If one can't express an opinion with a smiley just to show that it's a friendly statement, then I don't think it's me the one with issues.

I think it's all been blown out of proportion, and as usual it's a yummy occasion for the haters to come up and have their say. Again, I haven't used any swear words against anyone, but apparently I'm the one who insults, go figure..

[Dano]

well sorry but it wasn't me who started insulting (I'd be interested to be proven otherwise!). If one can't express an opinion with a smiley just to show that it's a friendly statement, then I don't think it's me the one with issues.

I think it's all been blown out of proportion, and as usual it's a yummy occasion for the haters to come up and have their say. Again, I haven't used any swear words against anyone, but apparently I'm the one who insults, go figure..

So, unless you swear it's not an insult and just because you didn't start it that makes it ok?

[Sternjaeger II]

So, unless you swear it's not an insult and just because you didn't start it that makes it ok?

what?! Have you actually read the whole thread? :confused:

[Dano]

what?! Have you actually read the whole thread? :confused:

Indeed, however, what difference that makes to my question relating to your attitude I don't know.

[JG52Uther]

Everybody take a deep breath and get back on topic please.

[TomcatViP]

Back OT :

I don't understand why we shld hve a Su-26 in a WWII sim. I know that providing a way for having nice vids on Youtube is a way to secure sells but wouldn't it be more appropriate to see TigerMoth airshow or something like the Bu-131 modelised ?

C'mon a bright and shiny yellow Bucker will do the trick aswel. Just hve a look of what Udet did with s fairly basic (only slightly modified) Flamingo

[6S.Manu]

Look, if I was the project manager of CloD the Su26 would be part of the game as a "bonus" since the beta release.

Simply because I would have use it as the reference plane to test the sim engines: we have fresh data and living pilots' accounts on his attitudes.

Test it, tweak the engines until that model flies like the real one does. The DM and all the related parts could wait. First it need to be a flight sim, then a combat sim.

Once the Su26 act like the real one start working on one or two WW2 planes... and not more until they are not perfect: if this was a great sim I would buy it also if with only 2 planes flyable (spit and 109?)

[Sternjaeger II]

I'd rather have a Jungmann than a Su26, but then again a Su26 would be good as Manu said to push the FM envelope and see where the we are at with it and what can be still improved.

[Flanker35M]

S!

Maybe the FM is not that high fidelity that we have been led to believe thus no high performance Su-26 showing all the glaring errors right away...