Air war over ...

[wannabetheace]

I think this was be as big as BOB and as important as BOB.
Then why not it become another one expansion to IL2?

http://hawkeyes-squawkbox.com/2011/01/03/book-review-air-war/

I think there were some record set in this incident if I remember correctly. But I don't remember now it was something like number of planes at one time in the air on a single day..:confused:

http://hawkeyes-squawkbox.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/9781906959234.jpg

[furbs]

I-16's vs early zero's?

that's a dogfight and a half!

[JG52Krupi]

I-16's vs early zero's?

that's a dogfight and a half!

Come on furbs wakey wakey I'm pretty sure it will be ki43 etc as it's the Japanese army not navy.

Am I right?

[furbs]

Im not that hot on Jap planes!!

[ATAG_Dutch]

The battlefields guys recreated this with IL2 on the old ukded for a time.

Don't know if they still do, but it was top fun with those old fixed undercart 'planes.

[JG53Frankyboy]

Come on furbs wakey wakey I'm pretty sure it will be ki43 etc as it's the Japanese army not navy.

Am I right?

Ki27 actually

[pupo162]

not on my interest list.

but, still more into ir than korea, and the I16 along with some other russian planes are already beeing made (guessing) for the russian expansion, so it would be a a nice adition.

[wannabetheace]

The battlefields guys recreated this with IL2 on the old ukded for a time.

Don't know if they still do, but it was top fun with those old fixed undercart 'planes.

Yup they did some campaign on this called khalkhin-gol for iL 1946. But I think developers can put more effort :rolleyes:

[wannabetheace]

If the Japanese had not lost at Khalkhin Gol, they may never have attacked Pearl Harbor. ...

In September, to discourage any Soviet move into Manchukuo and to prepare for renewed ground action if needed, the Japanese mounted an intense air campaign. For that purpose, six fighter squadrons were transferred from China. By September 13, the Japanese army air force had arrayed 255 warplanes, including 158 fighters along the front. Air battles swirled in Mongolian skies in the first and second weeks of September and climaxed on the 15th, as 200 Japanese warplanes struck Soviet air bases in Mongolia. Fierce aerial combat ensued as 120 Japanese fighters fought 207 Russian adversaries. All combat came to an end, however, when a cease-fire agreement was signed on September 16.

When Adolf Hitler invaded the Soviet Union in the summer of 1941, the Japanese were tempted to join the assault, but the shadow of Khalkhin Gol haunted them. With the influence of the Strike North group at an end, Japanese military planners began to look at British, French and Dutch colonial possessions in Southeast Asia as offering greater prospects for expansion.

Stalin remembered the fierce fighting in Mongolia as well. Even as he summoned 1,000 tanks and 1,200 warplanes from Soviet Far Eastern forces to battle the German invaders who were making spectacular gains, 19 reserve divisions, 1,200 tanks and some 1,000 aircraft remained in Mongolia to confront the Japanese. Although small by the standards of later World War II battles, the fighting between Soviet and Japanese forces at Khalkhin Gol cast a long shadow over subsequent events in the Pacific theater and on the Russian Front.


http://forum.axishistory.com/download/file.php?id=239405&mode=view

http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?f=65&t=147360&start=195
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http://forum.axishistory.com/download/file.php?id=239412&t=1
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[wannabetheace]

According to Robert Jackson "The Red Falcons: The Soviet Air Force In Action , 1919-1969" V.V.S. losses during the period July to September 1939 were 145 aircraft; whilst the various V.V.S. units claimed approx 300 Japanese aircraft.. As regards air force numbers Jackson mentions that the V.V.S. assembled, by the end of July, 580 aircraft including 125 SB-2's, 25 Tb-3's, 150 I-19's, 200 I-15's and I-152's, and 80 reconnaissance and transport aircraft. The Japanese had a total of 475 aircraft of all types, including the Ki-15 (recon), Ki-21, Ki-27 and Ki-30.

In Francillon's "Japanese Aircraft Of The Second World War" he mentions that the Japanese Army started the conflict with approximately 80 Ki-27 fighters, but at the peak of fighting in August the number had risen to 200. He also states that the Japanese Army claimed to have shot down 1,340 aircraft, with a further 30 destroyed on the ground, and that the Russians had committed up to 3,000 aircraft in the conflict during the five month conflict. The Russians counter-claimed of committing only 450 aircraft, and destroying 215 Japanese aircraft. The Japanese admitted the loss of 120 aircraft.

[Blackdog_kt]

This is one of the most interesting little known conflicts on the ground front as well, due to similarities that make it look like a precursor and "sneak preview" to WWII as well: it was one of the first (if not the very first) Japanese defeats occurring before WWII even started and it was brought about by Georgiy Zhukov, the same guy who commanded the armies capturing Berlin a few years later.

Thanks for the information, book recommendation and pictures ;)