Chinese can make videogames too!

[Viking]

http://rt.com/usa/news/chinese-videogame-us-troops/

"It is a first-person shooter just like the famous “Call of Duty”, but “Glorious Mission” is quite different – the enemy is American troops.

The game is designed by Giant Network Technology and supported by China’s People's Liberation Army. It highly resembles other first-person shooter games. Players engage in basic training, conducts mission and carries out orders.

Unlike most games however the enemy is not Russian, Middle Eastern, South American or Asian – It’s American; clips from the videogame show players shooting down US aircraft, killing US troops and targeting all that is American military might.

Ironically, the Chinese game is modeled after the US Army developed first-person shooter game “America’s Army”!"

Cool!

Viking

[pupo162]

well, americas army 3 was really bad.

other than that, im preatty sure that if thsi gets widespreed we will have huge "this is desrepctufull to our troops" speaches from americans.

I remenber one game that triggered this, cant remenber the name

[Robotic Pope]

well, americas army 3 was really bad.

other than that, im preatty sure that if thsi gets widespreed we will have huge "this is desrepctufull to our troops" speaches from americans.

I remenber one game that triggered this, cant remenber the name

What on earth would happen if a game had you playing a Chinese terrorist and going into a US airport and gunning down American citizens?

[TomcatViP]

And what abt a Chinese Duke ?:rolleyes:

[CharveL]

Rule Rukem?

[jojovtx]

That is bullcrap honestly. In none of these games are the "US" troops depicted as killing Chinese Army, Russian Army, or any other official state military. The bad guys are terrorists or criminals of some sort and not any official governments military.

Just what is up with this rampant anti americanism?

[Sternjaeger II]

aawww come on guys :rolleyes:

we're ok with stuff like GTA and we find this unacceptable?
That's the line I was talking about in another thread, just cos a videogame is fiction, where do we draw the line at what's acceptable or not?

Sometimes I wonder how the average German feels about all the games like Call of Duty that we had so far..

[trumps]

Too true mate, as always there are two sides to the coin!

[Silverback]

Lame

[Helrza]

That is bullcrap honestly. In none of these games are the "US" troops depicted as killing Chinese Army, Russian Army, or any other official state military. The bad guys are terrorists or criminals of some sort and not any official governments military.

Just what is up with this rampant anti americanism?

Modern warfare 2: russia invades america after an american secret agent posing as a terrorist is involved in a massacre of civilians at a russian airport. get to kill alot of russian military soldiers if i remember correctly lol.

Crysis - Fighting the North Korean army.... then later on some alien race.

Modern warfare 3 (coming soon): more killing of russian soldiers.

prolly a few more that i cant think of right now, but these 3 do come to mind.

Dont get me wrong, im not anti-american, but im all for a game that puts the shoe on the other foot.... well, its a 1st person shooter, so i couldnt care either way :) To be honest, i would love to play a WWII shooter from a german grunts perspective, would be awsome!

[Ataros]

Modern warfare 3 (coming soon): more killing of russian soldiers.

Well, it depends on which side of an SVD scope you are :) lol
There are already tons of games out there where Americans, British, Germans or Russians chars are killed ingame right now. There are 2 sides in most of the games.

Marketing emphasis depends only on the market the game will be sold mostly. Most of game consumers live in "western civilization" countries most of which happen to be a part of NATO today. It is naturally easier to sell a game where NATO are the good guys in these countries. In China the market is different, it would be hard to sell any game where Chinese people get killed a lot there.

Can you recall any WWII game developed in Germany or Japan? Just imagine "World of Tanks" or "FW-190 the Butcher" (instead of IL-2) game made by a German company. The winner takes it all. There will be a day when the whole world will play Chinese games killing "western insurgents" :) jk ;)

Traveled 3 weeks along the whole China coast in 2008. It is a great country with great future!

[Rickusty]

Can you recall any WWII game developed in Germany or Japan? Just imagine "World of Tanks" or "FW-190 the Butcher" (instead of IL-2) game made by a German company. The winner takes it all. There will be a day when the whole world will play Chinese games killing "western insurgents" jk


Well, let's hope that won't be the case... ;)
As much as I like other civilizations, countries, continents, I love our western world MUCH more, for a lot of reasons.

Oh, and btw, you're wrong:
"Panzer Elite" was created by a German soft. house, and I liked it a lot!

Cheers
Rick

[nearmiss]

Once the Chinese start working to build Blue Water navy, the whole world can start to worry.

The Chinese are aggressor nation, have been seen Genghis Khan. Even in our current modern world they just marched into Tibet and have taken over Tibet. That is the way of the Chinese, conquer, conquer and conquer some more.

The reason China is such a huge country. Everytime they take a country... they keep it. They never give up the land and will fight to keep it regardless of political, public or news media persuasions. They sure as heck haven't given up Tibet now have they? World opinion from all the world isn't making them change a thing. The Chinese have always been in their own world, and care less about the rest of the world. They do their own thing, regardless.

There is no way there is anything peaceful going to come of any military expansion by the Chinese, especially if they can integrate modern technology with their war machine.

That's how you teach people to hate. You make them identify with their enemy from childhood. Nothing, good can ever come from anything that portrays any other country (that actually exists) as an enemy to war against.

War game and movie enemies should always be some non-existent country. This way players aren't programmed to mentally attach enemy to real countries. There is a lot that can be done with subliminal and repetitive programming. Communism embraced the theory "the more you say it and the more vehement you are when you say it, the more it becomes believable as true". (even if it is a pack of lies)

[winny]

Funny, I remember the first time I played the Airport level in MW2 - it was like OMG this is awful / OMG this is brilliant in equal doses...

I don't see any difference between this and CoD - At the end of the day if it's ok to have a game where you mow down people, then what difference does it make what nationality they are? People are people. To differentiate is dangerous.

[Viking]

Nice try nearmiss but no cigar! Replace China with US and you are spot on mate.

Tiger

[trumps]

Taking the politically correct and moral high ground doesn't have any merit if it only happens when you are the one in the crosshairs!
The Chinese developers design a game for their target audience the same way as western developers do, the only difference is they don't waste time being all gay and pc about it by making up a make believe enemy that just so happens to look, talk, use the weapons of and come from a country that we aren't so fond of, as our developers often do! This does not make them any worse than us!

Craig

[baronWastelan]

The US Military is in fact a make believe enemy of the Chinese PLA because the real military the PLA face is India's. Yes the PLA Navy is in direct opposition with the USN in Taiwan area but that isn't the kind of fighting in Viking's wet dream of shooting US soldiers he is posting about here.

This echos the made up Russian enemy of the USA when the real enemies were (and still are) Iran and N. Korea. China, Russia and USA all have the same values (i.e. respect for life, law and order) and all have a common enemy. Don't believe for a minute that these FPS games are any reflection of real world power struggles.

[pupo162]

China, Russia and USA all have the same values (i.e. respect for life, law and order) .

lol

[Rickusty]

lol

+ 1

I find it hard to compare the Chinese and Russian govs. and "system values" to the USA.

It seems that us westerners are complete economy-oriented, in each sphere of our life and working environments.
Even in our way of thinking... which is dangerous IMO, but which demonstrates how completely "economy led" we are,
and how our old political values have drowned down in the toilet during the past 20 years.

Whenever a country rises from a very poor background (like Russia and China did) and starts to compete on an economic
level with us, we automatically think that they're our "partners" and equal to us, while in fact this is totally far from the truth.
We automatically position these nations as "succesful" and as "economic powers" that we could trade with.... But we forget
to see better in depth all the problems that lie beneath the system, starting from the repect for human rights and for
the most important aspects that were laid down long ago in declaration of the rights of man and of the citizen in 1793.
And the respect for the "single, individual, human being".

As much as I love russian culture (I really do, my girlfriend is russian, I can speak a little and I am improving their language, I have lots of russian,ukrainian,moldovian,bielorussian friends here in Rome. And they're great friends! All of them study here in Italy, and not a single one of them wants to get back to his/her country!) I can say they have a very long way to just start to reach a level of respect of human rights as close to what we have here in EU.
See, it's easy to be amazed by how many building plans have been laid and carried out in Moscow, St.Petersburg and other important cities, not knowing the working conditions of slave-workers (coming especially by Takjikistan,Uzbekistan and other central asian countries), paid ridiculously barely survival wages, stacked 10 in a room for sleeping, without protection whatsoever from any Union etc...
And let's not try to talk about corruption.... You should be more afraid of policemen there than criminals...

Just take a look here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_Russia#Torture_and_abuse)and here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_the_People's_Republic_of_China)

The problem is: "on paper" they look like modern and civilized "systems", while the reality is a little bit different.

[rollnloop]

Op flashpoint red river, US vs PLA.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wynpaq4sl-I

1 game each, so.

[BaronBonBaron]

Don't believe for a minute that these FPS games are any reflection of real world power struggles.
+1

[Blackdog_kt]

Modern warfare 2: russia invades america after an american secret agent posing as a terrorist is involved in a massacre of civilians at a russian airport. get to kill alot of russian military soldiers if i remember correctly lol.

Crysis - Fighting the North Korean army.... then later on some alien race.

Modern warfare 3 (coming soon): more killing of russian soldiers.

prolly a few more that i cant think of right now, but these 3 do come to mind.

Dont get me wrong, im not anti-american, but im all for a game that puts the shoe on the other foot.... well, its a 1st person shooter, so i couldnt care either way :) To be honest, i would love to play a WWII shooter from a german grunts perspective, would be awsome!

Exactly how i feel, plus playing the "bad guy" is usually more fun and enhances the sense of escapism we get from video-games.

It's exactly the reason that even though my country suffered greatly under axis occupation i mostly fly Luftwaffe birds in flight sims and have no emotional hindrances doing so.

Furthermore, in every single role playing game i've played that features branching storyline paths, i always play my character as a complete self-serving spoiled brat with his own interests in mind. I get enough of being an everyday normal guy in my real life, so videogames for me are mostly a way to be something i wouldn't want to be in the real world because my morals wouldn't let me.

If the videogame was any good i'd have no qualms shooting up virtual troops dressed in US uniforms and i would enjoy it too, just like i've shot cops in GTA games and shot at allied aircraft in IL2. It's no big deal for me and even if it was, i would simply choose to play a different game or pick a different allegiance. ;)

[TomcatViP]

I don't play any FPS (or anything outside air SIM) but I feel like those are scenario drawn to raise some interest in the public. They pick some trends in international affairs and use it as a way to "fashion" their games. It's only average public fantasma put in 3D animations.

What would you think if your favorite game dev (outside CoD team :eek:) would pull out old Ripley out of her space travel box and let you be her for one more roll amid spiting aliens ? You'd get bored ;)

The good point is that one day we might see some US troop storming some "Standard & poor" buildings to clean it out of some Alien's Viral infested trader.:rolleyes:

I might try FPS that day :cool::cool::cool:

[Madfish]

Like always there is some truth in most arguments.

However, western nations have always made russia and china a "story victim" due to lack of imagination. And the whole world uses Germany for that too.
There are tons of games that use russia, china and germany as opposition forces. And it IS wrong.
Instead of coming up with something unique most games and movies just use an enemy either due to the expectations of the potential customers OR due to sponsor demands.
For example hollywood style war / military movies usually are pro-US alone for the fact that this is a demand the US military rises before allowing access to their materials for filming. E.g. aircraft carriers, planes etc.
The same goes for games that also depend on accurate models.

And even in history, what would Americans say if Germany developed a game about the slaughtering of Indians? Maybe even just a finctional one that even makes fun of it on top of everything like so many US based games do with the nazi regime. Would they appreciate it in any way?
Some "historic events" are accepted while others are expected to be forgotten about. Just because winners write history it doesn't mean they also know to hide their own past bloody well, literally.
All countries out there have their dark spots in history. And most have been on the receiving end as well - with the exception of the USA perhaps aside from their own civil wars. Which tells you a lot about how they like to resolve situations peacefully.

That said I don't think Chinas war machine is any different than the US one. They treat humans "differently" (not always ;) ) but a lot of things are going wrong in the US and this is just the beginning - not even to mention the blood stained past. After all the US was "rich" but that changes rapidly. The reality is that bullying at work is normal, that innocent people get imprisoned and executed. That having rights doesn't mean you get them when you need them.

In the end we shall not forget:
1.) most unneccessary deaths are caused by hunger or lack of medical treatment
2.) even if we avoid waging wars and keep people from dying it won't resolve the problem that earth is completely overpopulated
3.) saving humans is cute and all - but just imagining how we abuse and slaughter (other) animals (as humans are animals as well) tells us that this belief of a peaceful society is nothing but a big lie

So in the end, does it matter who makes an enemy of whom? Sooner or later things WILL go wrong again.

[Madfish]

Once the Chinese start working to build Blue Water navy, the whole world can start to worry.

The Chinese are aggressor nation, have been seen Genghis Khan. Even in our current modern world they just marched into Tibet and have taken over Tibet. That is the way of the Chinese, conquer, conquer and conquer some more.

The reason China is such a huge country. Everytime they take a country... they keep it. They never give up the land and will fight to keep it regardless of political, public or news media persuasions. They sure as heck haven't given up Tibet now have they? World opinion from all the world isn't making them change a thing. The Chinese have always been in their own world, and care less about the rest of the world. They do their own thing, regardless.

There is no way there is anything peaceful going to come of any military expansion by the Chinese, especially if they can integrate modern technology with their war machine.

That's how you teach people to hate. You make them identify with their enemy from childhood. Nothing, good can ever come from anything that portrays any other country (that actually exists) as an enemy to war against.

Gengis Kahn was NOT chinese. He was a mongolian - and your own country (russia), as well as Tibet and China are remains of the mongolian empire. So please don't mention Gengis and call the chinese agressors.

By the way, since ancient times china has practically not attacked a single territory. Tibet is special as it was basically surrounded by China.
Even tibet was already conquerored by a Khan, Güyük Khan. And considering you're Russian (as far as I know) it'd mean you're questioning your own countries origin as well.

Regarding the exception of Tibet you'd have to mention the east india company, which sought to circumvent chinas influence on their trades with Tibet. Another reason why things got more tense between Tibet and China.

The most obvious reason, for the downfall of Tibet, was the weakness of the Dalai Lama though. They all had very different skills and never had full control over Tibet. The chinese however were always under a relatively strong leadership and also had political influence over tibet, even stationed troops there. In fact they even protected the Dalai Lamas, provided escort etc.

The outcome was tragic, I agree. But on the other hand side you can't remotely compare this to for example Nanking or almost all other industrialized countries, including USA, Russia and Japan in past and present.

China was a very very very introverted country. Probably worlds most non-agressive country ever.
To make this even more obvious here is a rhetoric question for you: Why do you think did they build the wall around their country? To invade other countries and increase their territory? :rolleyes: :-P


As much as I am aware of the issues China, as many other countries, has today - the past was exceptional. They invented the gun powder but the first ones that put it to great use were the, today americans, against the native indians. To display China as an agressor nation is far from the truth and literally pure irony.

[Blackdog_kt]

I think nearmiss is American :-P

[TomcatViP]

China was a very very very introverted country. Probably worlds most non-agressive country ever.



Well.. Although it's a shared responsibilities, tell that to the Millions that died in the Korean peninsula during the Korean war.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_War#Casualties



They invented the gun powder but the first ones that put it to great use were the, today americans, against the native indians.

I think we Europeans had a great addiction to that powder much before any US American did ;)