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Strike
09-07-2011, 03:55 PM
Any of you guys tried this one out yet?

All the other mods I've tried (open falcon/FreeFalcon 5) havn't really sat right with me due to lack of systems modeling etc, but this is something completely new.

Besides the terrain and a few models this is pretty awesome! Flight model has been reworked, graphics reworked and it's almost a new game :)

For you F-16 enthusiasts give this a try ;)

http://www.benchmarksims.org/forum/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xP60E_FMW_4

Doc_uk
09-07-2011, 04:11 PM
Looks good, but i think it has a long way to go to beat LockOn: Flaming Cliffs 2;)

Strike
09-07-2011, 04:20 PM
Looks good, but i think it has a long way to go to beat LockOn: Flaming Cliffs 2;)

In graphics yeah, everything else? hmm...

TomcatViP
09-07-2011, 05:10 PM
Well Doc I would hve say just the opposite ;-)

Bricks
09-07-2011, 06:06 PM
Looks good, but i think it has a long way to go to beat LockOn: Flaming Cliffs 2;)


In what way? Graphics? Maybe.

Anything else, is on par with DCS. And BMS is only a freeware mod!

skouras
09-07-2011, 06:09 PM
grapchics FF5
realism Open Falcon

i fly everyday
free falcon 5 i like it most

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZG9FlW-4Mg&feature=related

also i suggest to have some payware pits from
http://www.cockpits.nl/

335th_GRAthos
09-07-2011, 06:26 PM
Wow!

Can somebody post some more info on the subsequent developments of the F4 for the "grandpa's" like me? (my last F4.0 game was running on my 386DX40 with 3Dfx card....)

I admit the F4 binder was the best handbook I ever had, I am happy I still keep it.


~S~

Strike
09-07-2011, 06:55 PM
grapchics FF5
realism Open Falcon

i fly everyday
free falcon 5 i like it most

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZG9FlW-4Mg&feature=related

also i suggest to have some payware pits from
http://www.cockpits.nl/

Have you tried BMS?

It's far more realistic than anything i've tried besides a real F-16 sim that you can log flight hours on :)

And the graphics are better than I can remember in FF5 (new heatblur, self-shading, reflective surfaces etc)

SG1_Lud
09-07-2011, 08:05 PM
Any of you guys tried this one out yet?

All the other mods I've tried (open falcon/FreeFalcon 5) havn't really sat right with me due to lack of systems modeling etc, but this is something completely new.

Besides the terrain and a few models this is pretty awesome! Flight model has been reworked, graphics reworked and it's almost a new game :)

For you F-16 enthusiasts give this a try ;)

http://www.benchmarksims.org/forum/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xP60E_FMW_4

Wait a minute, its too long since I left playing OF so sorry for the question, but is this a new version of BMS more advanced than the one in which OF was based on? It has been so many hoaxs about new versions that I am unsure...

skouras
09-07-2011, 08:12 PM
hey strike i do a search and it seems that worth to try it...the grapchics is awesome---the pit has cast shadows now
i believe is new version or something like that

SG1_Lud
09-07-2011, 08:28 PM
Holy cow! is true, not a joke.

Falcon 4.0 alive and kicking again :-O

Did anyone have time to test multiplayer?

SG1_Lud
09-07-2011, 08:41 PM
Wow!

Can somebody post some more info on the subsequent developments of the F4 for the "grandpa's" like me? (my last F4.0 game was running on my 386DX40 with 3Dfx card....)

I admit the F4 binder was the best handbook I ever had, I am happy I still keep it.


~S~

http://sites.google.com/site/falcon4.../F4history.pdf

;)

Strike
09-07-2011, 08:44 PM
It is very awesome indeed! :D It was recently released! Word is they're working on implementing more cool stuff, such as new terrain :)

SG1_Lud
09-07-2011, 08:54 PM
It is very awesome indeed! :D It was recently released! Word is they're working on implementing more cool stuff, such as new terrain :)

Thank you man, you made my day.

Iku_es
09-08-2011, 09:30 AM
Mmmm looking good. I'll give it a try.

It's been a long time without loggin ours in my trusty Viper ... I think I've forgotten the startup procedure :rolleyes:

And there is no point comparing Flamming Cliffs with Falcon. The first one may win in eyecandy but the second one is up to par with the DCS a10 in avionics' detail, and FM.

335th_GRAthos
09-08-2011, 12:38 PM
http://sites.google.com/site/falcon4.../F4history.pdf

;)

Thanks LUD,

You need though to copy the full link please (the other option when right click on the link) ;)

~S~

SG1_Lud
09-08-2011, 04:06 PM
Thanks LUD,

You need though to copy the full link please (the other option when right click on the link) ;)

~S~

Bug fixed :D

https://sites.google.com/site/falcon4history/files/F4history.pdf?attredirects=0

335th_GRAthos
09-08-2011, 08:24 PM
Bug fixed :D

https://sites.google.com/site/falcon4history/files/F4history.pdf?attredirects=0


Fantastic history chart, many thanks!

~S~

GT182
09-09-2011, 12:15 AM
I'll have to dig out my F4 and the "Book", and give it a whirl. Videos are awesome. Sure revives an oldy that most had put away long ago.... including me. I was never all that great with it as I only tried it for a very short time.

If anyone is in contact with BMS, ask if they'd give B-17 Flying Fortress "The Mighty 8th" a try. Atari has the rights to it but never did anything with it after they got it from MicroProse. That one needs an update too, plus multiplayer needs to be added. It was an all time favorite that I had a great time with in v8th Ops on the Bombs-Away website.

Jediteo
09-09-2011, 09:17 AM
Where is the download area?

SG1_Lud
09-09-2011, 09:20 AM
Where is the download area?

Available in the p2p networks. I know that some countries banned this :rolleyes:, but so far I didn't find a direct link.

Ceud
09-09-2011, 09:46 AM
Where is the download area?

Good luck finding it on their site. I eventually got it after googling. I think it was at a place called veteran gaming or something.

ChocsAway
09-09-2011, 04:19 PM
Seems a little odd with the cloak and dagger stuff regarding the download :confused:

However, I managed to download it via torrent and have to say it's well worth the effort. :grin:

SG1_Lud
09-09-2011, 06:18 PM
Direct link, tested and safe
http://www.veterans-gaming.com/download.php?view.134

skouras
09-12-2011, 05:36 PM
ok here's my prpblem
i decide to reinstall BMS so i install again Falcon 4
and when i start to hit the exe of BMS a box appears with a message ----the registry points to a folder that does not contain a valid Falcon Bms 4.32 install.
please restore the missing files and try again or remove the registry entry

Duke88
09-14-2011, 07:20 AM
hi!
i've installed BMS and tested yesterday night. Now Falcon it's awesome!
But for the multiplayer, what programm do you use? :)

Strike
09-14-2011, 09:50 AM
Hi again!

Me and 3 friends from work have started practicing flying this sim, and I gotta hand it to the BMS team - WELL DONE! It's a very very good representation of the real thing (having tried the real F-16 sim). The aerial refueling bit was the next thing on the to-try list yesterday so here are some shots :


Cleared to contact:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v407/strikestrike/2011-09-13_220051.jpg

Contact:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v407/strikestrike/2011-09-13_220658.jpg

And thank you farewell tanker ;) :
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v407/strikestrike/2011-09-13_220819.jpg

SG1_Lud
09-14-2011, 10:38 AM
ok here's my prpblem
i decide to reinstall BMS so i install again Falcon 4
and when i start to hit the exe of BMS a box appears with a message ----the registry points to a folder that does not contain a valid Falcon Bms 4.32 install.
please restore the missing files and try again or remove the registry entry

No need to install Falcon 4. Just leave it on the CD unit, BMS will take what it needs from it.

SG1_Lud
09-14-2011, 10:51 AM
Hi again!

Me and 3 friends from work have started practicing flying this sim, and I gotta hand it to the BMS team - WELL DONE! It's a very very good representation of the real thing (having tried the real F-16 sim). The aerial refueling bit was the next thing on the to-try list yesterday so here are some shots :


Cleared to contact:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v407/strikestrike/2011-09-13_220051.jpg

Contact:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v407/strikestrike/2011-09-13_220658.jpg

And thank you farewell tanker ;) :
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v407/strikestrike/2011-09-13_220819.jpg

Nice shots :cool:

How did it behave online, Strike?

Sternjaeger II
09-14-2011, 11:07 AM
guys, I haven't played with Falcon 4 for years.. how does it compare with Flaming Cliffs or the latest A-10 sim?

Strike
09-14-2011, 11:20 AM
guys, I haven't played with Falcon 4 for years.. how does it compare with Flaming Cliffs or the latest A-10 sim?

Much more realistic than Flaming cliffs, A LOT more indepth in avionics simulations etc. Very good dynamic campaign and AI. About same level as A-10C i think on advancedness of systems. The latest BMS is a leap ahead of original falcon. Completely new flightmodel too! Very true to life.

And LUD:

As for the aerial refueling in particular it works VERY well! Better than any other sim. You request tanker on the radio and if you're further away than 10nm the AWACS will give you the tankers TACAN channel, bearing and distance. You plot the tankers TACAN channel (92Y) and subtract 63 which is (92Y - 63 = 29Y) to lock up the tanker and start approaching it. Once within 10nm you call him up again to request fuel and he'll clear you to pre-contact. Once you've stabilized behind him you will be cleared to contact and the lights underneath the belly of the tanker will start guiding you (forward/aft and Up/down). You HAVE to sit just at the right spot within the limits of the refuel boom and the boom operator will guide it into the air-refueling receptacle. Once there, you still have to fly your plane in perfect position (unlike many other sims for instance Lock on, where you are "clamped" or attached to the fueler and pretty much sit there with no effort) and maintain position until you are done. Once the F-16's fuel tanks are full it sends a disconnect signal to the refueling boom and the process is ended. Once you are clear you call the tanker and state that you are "done refueling" and the next plane in line is automatically cleared to contact (IF he is in the "quickflow" area) or he will be cleared to pre-contact which is to approach the tanker from the rear again!. All works well online, the other players can monitor the entire process and even read the lights on the belly while their wingman is tanking :) Nice feature!

The game behaves very well for us 4 guys with full IVC comms at a bandwidth setting of 700. We tried 400 too and that was fine aswell!! At the moment we are flying occasionally to train ourselves at everything from takeoffs and landings to IDM datalink sharing and Aerial refueling (almost every day) and we are currently using a dedicated IVC comms server but at the moment I am hosting the game server. It has worked quite well, for the exception of a very few game freezes (alt+tab in and out and the game keeps running ?!? no client disconnects or strange lag while I alt+tab.. strange...)

The revamped version of Falcon from BMS is truly a gem in simming, and the best part is it runs very smooth ;) Most graphics are OK, some of the new effects add a lot to the atmosphere such as dynamic shadows, HDR, motion blur and raindrop effects :)

But this sim has become a much better representation of the F-16 flightmodel. The F-18 and Mirage 2000 also are flyable with their own cockpits :) The game also includes training scripts (that you can run on every Tactical Engagement mission) that pauses the sim and directs you to the buttons and switches with text to explain what they are, how they work and how to use them :) I'd recommend any sim head with a hotas setup to try this one out! And if you like, come join in on one of our training sessions if you like. I can edit the mission to incorporate more flights, target areas and tamper with weather and time of day :) The mission editor is a handfull, but I'm getting the hang of it as I play with it.

Oldschool61
09-14-2011, 11:21 AM
Hi again!

Me and 3 friends from work have started practicing flying this sim, and I gotta hand it to the BMS team - WELL DONE! It's a very very good representation of the real thing (having tried the real F-16 sim). The aerial refueling bit was the next thing on the to-try list yesterday so here are some shots :


Cleared to contact:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v407/strikestrike/2011-09-13_220051.jpg

Contact:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v407/strikestrike/2011-09-13_220658.jpg

And thank you farewell tanker ;) :
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v407/strikestrike/2011-09-13_220819.jpg

I used to fly this years ago and refueling was by far the hardest thing in game to do. And the learning curve to operate the weapons systems is huge, if your not commited to spend hours on end learning all the systems and sub sytems dont bother. BUt when you learn everything its a blast online with humans as your wingmen.

Strike
09-14-2011, 11:38 AM
BUt when you learn everything its a blast online with humans as your wingmen.

Dude, I work with F-16's so there's my commitment and learning the stuff is very rewarding! It's going to be weeks until we learn all the systems and all the different subsystems and modes (although it helps in heaps seeing that I can read the manuals at work), then how to use proper tactics before we can finally start pulling off some realistic missions with good results! At the moment we have a mission we test-run with a few ships, a few ground targets and a few aerial targets + AWACS and a tanker so we can just mess around and do whatever we like. Config is multirole 4x Gbu12 2x AIM-2000 (iris-T) and 2x AIM-120B AMRAAMs + the Advanced Targeting Pod :) The training possibilities are endless :)

SG1_Lud
09-14-2011, 12:59 PM
And LUD: [...]



Gold report mate. And all this time I thought your 338th markings were from real life, but I realize now seeing that beautiful skins that you belong or belonged to the mighty virtual 338th too. I was trained there too!! (but excuse my memory lad, I can't for the life of me remember if we've flown together). Maybe different moments.. I quit about the same time Slammer, the former CO left, and also Naldo had his baby and RL stuff got him grounded for a while. BTW I know Naldo is part of the BMS, but do you know if Slammer is still around? And how can I find you online for that sessions?

bongodriver
09-14-2011, 01:32 PM
Anybody know how to make the GUI sit in the middle of the screen? I don't know why but every incarnation of the Falcon game has messed up menus for me.

Strike
09-14-2011, 02:23 PM
Gold report mate. And all this time I thought your 338th markings were from real life, but I realize now seeing that beautiful skins that you belong or belonged to the mighty virtual 338th too.

Hehe, well.... I DO work at the REAL squadron, and have never played with a 338 squadron virtually. We just happen to fly for the RNoAF because we all live in Norway :) So forgive me if I don't understand everything you're talking about. If you do however want to tag along just to test it online (we're currently FNG's pretty much so we're just training to learn to work the aircraft properly) you're more than welcome. I could PM you with the necessary info if you like!

@Bongodriver:

I don't know why, but the falcon GUI has ALWAYS been a mess, even the devs said so. It's virtually impossible to tamper with it. But whenever you get past the GUI and into the 1080p game, boy it looks good!

skouras
09-14-2011, 02:42 PM
i really enjoy the sim as a veteran of OF
excellent physics and FM [The best by far]
heres a video showing some features on the model
http://vimeo.com/28560984

SG1_Lud
09-14-2011, 04:39 PM
Hehe, well.... I DO work at the REAL squadron, and have never played with a 338 squadron virtually. We just happen to fly for the RNoAF because we all live in Norway :) So forgive me if I don't understand everything you're talking about. If you do however want to tag along just to test it online (we're currently FNG's pretty much so we're just training to learn to work the aircraft properly) you're more than welcome. I could PM you with the necessary info if you like!


Ok undestood, the skins you are using in the F-16 in your screens made me thought you were in the virtual 338th (I knew you were in the real for sure for some of your past posts). Lucky guy ;)

Yes please pm me.

Thanks

skouras
09-15-2011, 06:20 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VeN174gUbUg&feature=player_embedded#!

skouras
09-21-2011, 08:01 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LiUYrtpW7ww&feature=player_embedded

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Ka74bFkdhCI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=COf0Hnr019g

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=KQ-ekHiVwsw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=XWyvJ99L2k4