Hmm.. Hello USA!

[adonys]

A warm welcome for the new USA buyers from Luthier, but not at least two words for us, the europeans who already bought the game, regarding the state of the game/patch.. I guess we don't diserve it..

This starts to smell as UBI business behavior, which couldn't care less of the ones already fool enough to have bought one of their products..

I really, really hope MG won't go down that way..

[PeterPanPan]

Well, tell me how you could write a welcome statement to one group and apologise to another group at the same time? Read between the lines and you'll see that, IMHO, Luthier is trying to appease everyone.

PPP

[adonys]

Simple: by making a section regarding the true current state of the game, and on which stade they are with working on the patch. or by making another post specially for that. 15 extra mins at most, don't tell me it would have been the end of the world.

but by making this post only, he clearly ignores everything posted on this board in the last 3 weeks..

they'd better not forget they'll need us for this next il2cod addon, or remember us only then.. because if that's the case, they can say bye-bye to my money, and I can put my head down there will be a lot of me-alike customers by then..

[Ataros]

Read between the lines and you'll see that, IMHO, Luthier is trying to appease everyone.

Everyone sees only what he choses to see. This is how perception works in our brains.

[SYN_Repent]

so what do yu see ataros? what do you perceive to have gone down here?

[furbs]

yep, i would like to know as well.

[von Pilsner]

A warm welcome for the new USA buyers from Luthier, but not at least two words for us, the europeans who already bought the game, regarding the state of the game/patch.. I guess we don't diserve it..

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=24692

Here are some things to keep in mind about our game:

1. We the developers are a part of 1C-Softclub, Russia’s largest software developer and publisher. We are backed by a dedicated production team, and most importantly, our top management has complete faith in the team and in the product line. That means that the team is growing, we are hiring, and we’re not going anywhere.

2. If you’ve played our previous games, you know that we always support our products way past the release. We work on patches and add-ons, add new content, add new features, and we never abandon our projects.

3. The game you are playing today has always been envisioned as the first in the series. We are already working on a sequel as we continue to support and improve Cliffs of Dover.

4. We do not at this time have anyone doing community relations, which means we spend less time than we’d like to interacting with you, or rather, providing answers to your questions. We are up on these boards every day reading what you have to say, and it does often drive our design decisions and priorities.

5. You can meet more members of the team in my earlier post here, which also contains a sort of a rough roadmap of what we’re currently working on:
http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=24240


So, thanks for purchasing the game, thanks for your support, and please rest assured we will continue to support and expand Cliffs of Dover and the Il-2 Sturmovik series!

So although he doesn't address specific issues in the post, it certainly sounds like they are working on a patch (and we know from the thread he links that they are working on sound issues).

[Ataros]

so what do yu see ataros? what do you perceive to have gone down here?

Check out my posts regarding UBI - 1C relationships listed in my profile http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/search.php?searchid=1814991

and this one http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showpost.php?p=311645&postcount=79

[adonys]

Those words means nothing, they are just business mumbling about a new release.

he would have said the same, even if the MG would have already signed for bancrupcy, considering they've just released the US version.

What do you think it would have happened if they would have said "well, we won't get up any other patch, but the good thing is that you can buy our next adoon in half a year"?!!

hmm.. words like "we'll get a community manager" should have calmed us down, rrright?!!

words are nothing, if they are not followed by deeds.. and I've started see to less and less words, and no deeds at all.. which is kinda of worrying..

I've bought Il2CoD knowing fully the state of the game, but based on MG's history of patches and communication.. for me, they patching this game, and communicating with me is a moral part of this contract I've agreed when I've bought Il2CoD

which now seems like they are losing it.. so, i have all the motives in this world to be worried about!

Maybe you don't understand, bt what is exactly happening right now is MG alienating and losing the trust and respect of their base community. Is the worst thing which can happen to a small developer fo a niche market, and I'm afraid they won't survive without it.

there you go, I have some quotes too, answer them, pelase!

[robtek]

Are there any questions hidden?

I see only the ranting of a patienceless person which thinks it bought something beside the right to use this software.
Be assured, thats the only thing you've bought, no right of information, no "moral obligations", nothing else, beside the obligation to fix bugs and errors, and that is already happening.

[ATAG_Doc]

Thank you Luthier for the warm welcome. You have our full support and we look forward to a very long and rewarding relationship with your team. Good luck!

[adonys]

Are there any questions hidden?

I see only the ranting of a patienceless person which thinks it bought something beside the right to use this software.
Be assured, thats the only thing you've bought, no right of information, no "moral obligations", nothing else, beside the obligation to fix bugs and errors, and that is already happening.

hmm.. why am I patientless, because I am asking about news regarding the progress of patching things which were advertised as working when selling the game?

had this been any other kind of product, I would have returned it already, and asked my money back.

and do count I've bought a collector's edition, for 50 £, and not because I wanted anything fom the CE box, but because I wanted to support MG.

and I haven't demanded "fix those now!", I just made a realistic request considering the situation, and my desire to still have il2CoD running: give us a regular update on the situation.

I don't need Luthier talking to me, or respond me any question, I just need them to make a post once a week, be it friday, in which they would update us with the current situation of the work on the patches.

this "waiting" is a thing which shows they don't care about our time, nor about respecting us. it would have been easier for everyone: just log in once a week, to find out what's the progress, and in one of those, also when the following patch is to be expected. and you can be sure the forum wouldn't be filled anymore with countless whines and sensless threads.

that's all. do you find that sooo an out-of-the-ordinary and not-so-reasonable request, considering the whole situation?!!

[Ze-Jamz]

hmm.. why am I patientless, because I am asking about news regarding the progress of patching things which were advertised as working when selling the game?

had this been any other kind of product, I would have returned it already, and asked my money back.

and do count I've bought a collector's edition, for 50 £, and not because I wanted anything fom the CE box, but because I wanted to support MG.

and I haven't demanded "fix those now!", I just made a realistic request considering the situation, and my desire to still have il2CoD running: give us a regular update on the situation.

I don't need Luthier talking to me, or respond me any question, I just need them to make a post once a week, be it friday, in which they would update us with the current situation of the work on the patches.

this "waiting" is a thing which shows they don't care about our time, nor about respecting us. it would have been easier for everyone: just log in once a week, to find out what's the progress, and in one of those, also when the following patch is to be expected. and you can be sure the forum wouldn't be filled anymore with countless whines and sensless threads.

that's all. do you find that sooo an out-of-the-ordinary and not-so-reasonable request, considering the whole situation?!!

I agree totally 100%, the trouble is in here people dont read between the lines and a post like this somehow is seen by lots of others in here as a ''Your not fixing this game, its rubbish and we want a patch now god dammit'' which from what i read in here isnt the case...Im not seeing hardly any of that..what i am seeing is a request for info/update on certain aspects of the game but again..It seems to be taken way out of proportion and turns into a flame war....

If you dont want updates and your happy then dont read the thread..is it so hard? if people want something and feel they deserver it this is the place they ask, why people then decide its their duty to get a police badge out and stick on the brown nose is just..well, hilarious..thats what turns this forum into a slag fest imo...if you don't agree with the thread don't join it, your obviously happy with every aspect of this game so you dont need to concern yourself with others..let people speak and ask what they want..if no one in interested and the devs dont reply so be it...keep yer nose out of it and this forum will be a better place

Anyway...to answer your last question... yes they do see it as out of the ordinary :rolleyes: strangely enough

[438_Martin_591]

Какой хороший Приглашаем к американцам.
Но вы забыли канадцы, которые также имеют игру теперь ...
Во всяком случае, это нормально, мы привыкли быть всегда оставлял позади ...

Translation:
What a nice welcome for the Americans.
But you forgot the Canadians who also have the game now...
Anyway, that's okay, we used to be always left behind ...

[robtek]

You don't seem to realize that a weekly update doesn't make the patch come out earlier.
You just don't trust that the devs are working on the patch.
But if the devs were so untrustworthy, they easily had the time to write some nice sentences to pacify the impatient instead than working on the patch.

[adonys]

this is not about trust.

you seem to have a sort of stone-head, stuck deep into the ground.

this is about RESPECT.

we are all here because we LOVE and WANT this game to be a success. and because of it's current broken state, we're keep lurking around, trying to get a glimpse of a news regarding the fixes and the patch, in order to make us feel a little btter about this.

and because we're keep coming a few times a day, and nothing, for three damn weeks, and then just the "welcome USA, thank you for your $s" post, which could have easily also containt a little update of the patch situation... but no..

in time, this is transforming into frustration, and rightly so. we're just human.

and all of this, for what?!! for not wanting to make a damn single post once a week?!! because you are working sooo hard?!!

come on, we're not stupid.

[Ze-Jamz]

You don't seem to realize that a weekly update doesn't make the patch come out earlier.
You just don't trust that the devs are working on the patch.
But if the devs were so untrustworthy, they easily had the time to write some nice sentences to pacify the impatient instead than working on the patch.

Rob..you seem like a smart lad...the time to post a progress update would hinder their work on said patch?...come on mate, get real

and who said anything about the update would make a patch come out earlier....? jezzus talk about too many people in here NOT getting the point

[Ze-Jamz]

this is not about trust.

you seem to have a sort of stone-head, stuck deep int othe ground.

this is about RESPECT.


I was going to say something like that but i took the lighter approach :rolleyes:

[carguy_]

If you dont want updates and your happy then dont read the thread..is it so hard? if people want something and feel they deserver it this is the place they ask, why people then decide its their duty to get a police badge out and stick on the brown nose is just..well, hilarious..thats what turns this forum into a slag fest imo...if you don't agree with the thread don't join it, your obviously happy with every aspect of this game so you dont need to concern yourself with others..let people speak and ask what they want..if no one in interested and the devs dont reply so be it...keep yer nose out of it and this forum will be a better place

No dice.

Rest assured you will be replied to if you post false information or the same complaints that in fact have been acknowledged by 1C long ago. The freedom of speech odesn`t work that way. You are free to say anything as long as it doesn`t offend anyone else or his rights. That`s a first.
Second, this is a 1C forum , the Russian distributor if IL2 : CLiffs of Dover. If you feel you have something to post, feel free to post it on the Ubisoft forums which also have CloD section available.

And no, not many of us are fully satisfied with this game. But we intend on keeping the potential buyers informed exactly on what is wrong with this game. You on the other hand represent the "all or nothing" crowd. You daily post that this game is krap, yet you have stayed here for so long. It`s a waste of your generous customer resources, can`t you see?:rolleyes:

[Ze-Jamz]

Lol...

And that response is why i wrote my post in the first place...

On a side note..not everyone that is asking for updates is saying this game is Krap..as you put it

I certainly have never said that, in fact your find that i say Im enjoying this game and can run it on max settings quite a few times in these forums...and help people if needed..

So that stereotype that you see fit in describing on many occasions just isn't true

Its like me saying your just an annoying Troll who seems to love the 'im right' power trip and if there is something you dont agree with it, you come out in a rash if you cant jump in with your cape shouting and screaming annoying every single poster in this forum.. but that would be very shallow of me to think such things..after all its something you feel passionate about (this sim) like me

[David198502]

"...as long as it doesnt offend anyone."
you are definitely the wrong guy to say that!

[furbs]

The USA is saying Hi to Luthier!! a total of 26 people playing COD right now.

though only 1 server was in the USA and only 5 people was in it.

[Dano]

The USA is saying Hi to Luthier!! a total of 26 people playing COD right now.

though only 1 server was in the USA and only 5 people was in it.

You are aware of the time difference right? It's early to mid-morning on a weekday in the US, of course there wont be many playing.

Come back with figures on a weekend evening.

[Tree_UK]

Hi Luthier, thank you for your long awaited post it as inspired me greatly, it must of taken you all of 2 minutes to type such meaningful words, this is greatly appreciated because we know you cannot spare those 2 minutes because you are working oh so hard trying to fix this pile of rubbish you sold us.

[JG52Krupi]

Hi Luthier, thank you for your long awaited post it as inspired me greatly, it must of taken you all of 2 minutes to type such meaningful words, this is greatly appreciated because we know you cannot spare those 2 minutes because you are working oh so hard trying to fix this pile of rubbish you sold us.

Tree how does it feel to be awarded the internet biggest ass award, you truly deserve it for being such an uncompromising tw@... You can play the game like I can and I am sure many of the other whiners on this forum can if you were just able to realise that by turning your settings down improves things drastically but no how dare someone tell me to do that... Seriously grow up, i though by now some of you would realise that luthier has stopped posting because of the constant steam of rubbish that you type..

[Tree_UK]

Tree how does it feel to be awarded the internet biggest ass award, you truly deserve it for being such an uncompromising tw@... You can play the game like I can and I am sure many of the other whiners on this forum can if you were just able to realise that by turning your settings down improves things drastically but no how dare someone tell me to do that... Seriously grow up, i though by now some of you would realise that luthier has stopped posting because of the constant steam of rubbish that you type..

lol, thats brilliant Krupi even for you, your suggesting that Luthier doesn't post here because of me..... well I guess I have frightened him in the past with my very accurate predictions, I guess he must realise that he just cant kid the kidda that kiddered the milky bar kid!

[JG52Krupi]

Your predictions what two correct predictions from over a 1000 what an ass...

I think tired and astounded at the stupidity on this forum would be closer to the truth certainly not scared of a pompous ignoramous like you..

Don't flatter yourself I'm sure your one of the handful of idiots he no longer bothers to pay any attention to

[furbs]

Luthier stopped posting to his potential customer base because of Trees posts??
Krupi, seriously mate...have a word with yourself.

[JG52Krupi]

Luthier stopped posting to his potential customer base because of Trees posts??
Krupi, seriously mate...have a word with yourself.

No not stopped reading just laid off the posting because of handful of ppl that are trying to goad him.

When we do get a community rep it won't be luthier, why would he want the job of looking after a bunch cry babies.

[Tree_UK]

well lets see.

1. I predicted that the movies that were shown weren't actual in game footage and they had been carefully put together to give the illusion that the game ran very smoothly, which of course it didn't upon release.

2. I predicted that Luthier was telling porky pies when he said 'Of course SLI will work why wouldn't it'. (this one cost me a ban)

3. I predicted that we wouldn't see DX11 (got banned for dx11 debate)

4. I predicicated that the reason we weren't seeing any AA was because it didn't work.

5. I also said that the leaked video was a marketing ploy, it obviously was. (think i got banned for this as well)

6. I suggested that Oleg was gone after he was found to have another job, I was partially right on this because as it turns out he had gone over a year before.

7. I suggested that the explanation about how bad the game ran at the Russian show because it only had 2gb of ram was a nonsense and an excuse - i was right, the game ran just as bad on release with 12gb of ram. (got banned for this )

These are just off the top of my head, but there are many many more examples, but you will need to read through all my old posts, basically I was ahead of the game, and I know it hurts but the facts are the facts my friend.

Believe it or not but I even had a pm from a moderator on here saying how I had called it right, sad but true.

[JG52Krupi]

I smell BS hidden among one or two facts...

[Tree_UK]

I smell BS hidden among one or two facts...

Read my posts my friend, and come back and apologise.

[JG52Krupi]

Read my posts my friend, and come back and apologise.

I have spent enough time reading your BS old friend.. Have a fun game.

[proddy333]

Are we at the point now where IL-2 COD is not fixable? We've seen some patches but so far the perfomance is still a big problem. Should we come to the realization of IL-2 COD will never work better than it does now? Should we just wait for the next version that uses a completely new engine?? For instance, look at Microsoft Flight Simulator---this engine will never perform well no matter how much HW you throw at it!! It's all in the "Engine". No matter what, the IL-2 series will always have my loyalty and i'll hang in there for the long run!

Just Saying....

[adonys]

performance is not a problem for me, with the system in my signature, IL2CoD plays perfectly well, without any kind of microstutters, with everything on max.

[Tree_UK]

I have spent enough time reading your BS old friend.. Have a fun game.

Well you cant say in future that I predicted nothing now can you my comedy chum, always do your research first, its worked for me.

[Dano]

Well you cant say in future that I predicted nothing now can you my comedy chum, always do your research first, its worked for me.

Alternatively, make every prediction under the sun as you're bound to get a few right :D

[6S.Manu]

Nothing to say here about US customers but...

Well you cant say in future that I predicted nothing now can you my comedy chum, always do your research first, its worked for me.
I'm always been atheist but now I'm worship the oak in front of my house because of you my friend.

Tree is always right.

I'm starting here a new cult, the "Treeology".

Tree, the Martyr of the Banana Board. He was banned for us. Pray for him.

[Rattlehead]

Are we at the point now where IL-2 COD is not fixable? We've seen some patches but so far the perfomance is still a big problem. Should we come to the realization of IL-2 COD will never work better than it does now? Should we just wait for the next version that uses a completely new engine?? For instance, look at Microsoft Flight Simulator---this engine will never perform well no matter how much HW you throw at it!! It's all in the "Engine". No matter what, the IL-2 series will always have my loyalty and i'll hang in there for the long run!

Just Saying....

Nah, code can be rewritten. The sound is being rewritten at the moment. It may be a painful process, but it can be done if required.
Whatever add-on's we see will use the same engine as Clod.

[Walrus1]

With Ilya's post, particularly:

'4. We do not at this time have anyone doing community relations, which means we spend less time than we’d like to interacting with you, or rather, providing answers to your questions. We are up on these boards every day reading what you have to say, and it does often drive our design decisions and priorities.'


I think we see that he is officially signing off as public relations liasion.

No more weekly updates, probably just posts introducing new patches and other 'official communications.'

Whether this is wise or not who knows. As others have stated, there are a steady stream of complaints here when he posts and when he doesn't.

I do know from personal experience that dealing with 'customer service' issues takes a special kind of patience and it can be very distracting from other more essential tasks, which in his case are continuing to lead the efforts to fix and develop the game.

[Tree_UK]

Alternatively, make every prediction under the sun as you're bound to get a few right :D

Read my posts dano, and you will know this simply isn't true, no matter how much you want it to be.

[Dano]

Read my posts dano, and you will know this simply isn't true, no matter how much you want it to be.

Awww, Tree mate, I'm just messing with you, I thought you'd got my sense of humour by now :D

[JG52Krupi]

Alternatively, make every prediction under the sun as you're bound to get a few right :D

Glad to see I'm not the only one that saw that :D

[Tree_UK]

Glad to see I'm not the only one that saw that :D

Read my posts and you then can make a fair comment until then the only BS is coming from you.

[Tree_UK]

Awww, Tree mate, I'm just messing with you, I thought you'd got my sense of humour by now :D

Im not ultimately tuned into it yet Dano, but im working on it. :grin:

[JG52Krupi]

Read my posts and you then can make a fair comment until then the only BS is coming from you guys.

If I wanted to read the thoughts of a deranged mad man I would read mein kampf or george bushes autobiography.. :-P No thanks.

[JG52Uther]

Some people are delusional,and it ain't Tree.
Interesting how some of the more vehement fanboi's, such as Feurfalke, disappeared for a while, then resurfaced and admitted that the fanboiism had seriously faded...

[Dano]

Im not ultimately tuned into it yet Dano, but im working on it. :grin:

Lol :D

[Opitz]

Tree is my brother-in-ban, we have some bans in common....

[Sammi79]

I have a question for Tree_UK, oh great clairvoyant one. When will the next patch for IL2:Cliffs of Dover be released?

[nearmiss]

Hi Luthier, thank you for your long awaited post it as inspired me greatly, it must of taken you all of 2 minutes to type such meaningful words, this is greatly appreciated because we know you cannot spare those 2 minutes because you are working oh so hard trying to fix this pile of rubbish you sold us.

You just can't quit.... can you? You are one of the most negative people I've ever had the joy of having any kind of correspondence with in my life.

You just amaze me, who dropped you off and from where?

I'm laughing my head off as I write this.

Tree you are just amazing...

Luthier articulated a darn informative posting and it's just not enough for tree.

Anyway, if you weren't here rubbing salt in old wounds we wouldn't have our daily dose would we?

[Opitz]

Tree is like a canary in a coal mine. let him keep "singing", when he stops(because of ban), all evacuate asap...

[Tree_UK]

I have a question for Tree_UK, oh great clairvoyant one. When will the next patch for IL2:Cliffs of Dover be released?

This i dont know Sammi, during development it was easy in truth, there was so much BS coming from the dev's that you only had to read between the lines, Luthier knows he has to be careful with what he says now, he cant keep getting away with none truths and half truths, thats why he's keeping quiet. The next patch will have to deliver something meaningful, so putting my reputation on a limb i would say 2 to 3 months for a big patch fix.

[Tree_UK]

Tree you are just amazing...

Im just going to use this bit if its alright with you :grin:

see im being positive now! :grin:

[Walrus1]

I think the problem people have with you Tree is not that you dare to criticize, but the way your posts are kind of personal, biting, conveying a holier than thou sense of outrage and derision.

While for other people 'the Game' refers to the Sim, I think for you 'the Game' more aptly describes your delight in being the nemesis of the developers and those customers who see the glass as half full and not empty.

This seems to be what you enjoy, and for $50 or however many Euros, I believe you have gotten your money's worth many times over.

I wonder what you would be doing with your spare time if the game had come out perfect and polished in every way?

[Tree_UK]

I think the problem people have with you Tree is not that you dare to criticize, but the way your posts are kind of personal, biting, conveying a holier than thou sense of outrage and derision.

While for other people 'the Game' refers to the Sim, I think for you 'the Game' more aptly describes your delight in being the nemesis of the developers and those customers who see the glass as half full and not empty.

This seems to be what you enjoy, and for $50 or however many Euros, I believe you have gotten your money's worth many times over.

I wonder what you would be doing with your spare time if the game had come out perfect and polished in every way?

Well the answer is simple my learned friend, I would be playing it. :-)

[furbs]

I think the problem people have with you Tree is not that you dare to criticize, but the way your posts are kind of personal, biting, conveying a holier than thou sense of outrage and derision.

While for other people 'the Game' refers to the Sim, I think for you 'the Game' more aptly describes your delight in being the nemesis of the developers and those customers who see the glass as half full and not empty.

This seems to be what you enjoy, and for $50 or however many Euros, I believe you have gotten your money's worth many times over.

I wonder what you would be doing with your spare time if the game had come out perfect and polished in every way?

Flying?

[Opitz]

Well the answer is simple my learned friend, I would be playing it. :-)


LOL :D He will hate you more...

[Sammi79]

putting my reputation on a limb i would say 2 to 3 months for a big patch fix.

thankyou for your answer kind sir.

[furbs]

You are aware of the time difference right? It's early to mid-morning on a weekday in the US, of course there wont be many playing.

Come back with figures on a weekend evening.

Cool dano, if we say i check at say 8pm on a Saturday?

Il get back to you.

[Phazon]

I like nearmiss' ninja edit of the title of Luthier's post to include ALL Cliffs of Dover owners. Just makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside now!

[Tree_UK]

I like nearmiss' ninja edit of the title of Luthier's post to include ALL Cliffs of Dover owners. Just makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside now!

Its worked for me, I feel like a born again Luthian.

<hugs Luthier>

[AARPRazorbacks]

Tree_UK,
All your rants about CLoD has not worked. Its the #1 selling sim on stream.

And being from the USA myself-- what you post is like a fart in a world wind.

All the intelligent Flight Sim'er know that after watching the videos that Ciffs of Dover is playable.
And thy will have to adjust there PC just like an other PC Game.

For some reason you are trying to stop people from buying this sim.

IMO for that you should be Ban from a 1c forum.

[Tree_UK]

Tree_UK,
All your rants about CLoD has not worked. Its the #1 selling sim on stream.

And being from the USA myself-- what you post is like a fart in a world wind.

All the intelligent Flight Sim'er know that after watching the videos that Ciffs of Dover is playable.
And thy will have to adjust there PC just like an other PC Game.

For some reason you are trying to stop people from buying this sim.

IMO for that you should be Ban from a 1c forum.

Its whirlwind not world wind Mr intelligent flight simmer. Also its the no 1 selling sim on STEAM not STREAM!


Well at least I wont get banned for spelling mistakes....

[AARPRazorbacks]

Its whirlwind not world wind Mr intelligent flight simmer. Also its the no 1 selling sim on STEAM not STREAM!


Well at least I wont get banned for spelling mistakes....

The come back of a true hard core troll.

:grin:

[Tree_UK]

lol, thats better i can live with that :grin::grin:

S!

[Pudfark]

A perception problem?

"Some folks can't see the forest....for the trees"

Especially in them "ourkansas" world winds...

Salute Tree_UK..and a neighborly tip of the cap to the Aged American Razorback Person.