19th I think Its Gonna

[BigPickle]

..Happen. I think its gonna get released, as unlikely as it sounds.

I mean because what have 1C/UBI actually got to loose. They will get sales even off people they know understand its problems. Its already being reduced in price after a few months, the buzz is dying about CoD, So i think they are gonna go for it.

Logic says its death for the game to release now? wrong think from a business view because there will still be an influx of money off people who do buy it, then another influx later on as people say its patched and runs fine now.

Also lets look logically at every other time this game has had its delays or set backs. I has always been put back more than 3 days before the release, I guess it takes 7 to send word to all the distributers and for them to update their sites.

So to sum up, another delay means that the interest about Cliffs of Dover fades and peoples attentions turn else were, its very hard to get peoples interest back under those circumstances i feel, so i believe it would do more harm to delay again and stop a finacial injection that UBI and 1C probably both want/need. So guys in the US i believe your game is coming.
I hope im right as it probably spells better for the game in the long run than another delay.

[addman]

There's been a buzz about CloD? I read many major and smaller gaming sites everyday and I haven't seen a single article on CloD. Buzz, LOL! This is a flight sim, flightsims -unfortunately- doesn't get any hype these days. I'd say they can release it on monday if they want to but they could release it Christmas also if they wanted to. Why? most gamers knows nothing about this game. Releasing it now in the summer would be a wise move though. Right now is the regular PC/video game summer drought that occurs every summer and there is nothing out there for gamers to buy, this is a good opportunity for CloD.

When fall/winter comes and the next iteration of Call of Duty, Gears of Wars 3, Rage and Uncharted 3 are released it will be very hard to compete for the gamers 50-60 bucks. Releasing the game this autumn/winter season would be financial suicide. Of course the hardest of the hardcore will buy the game but that percentage is way too small to sustain further development of CloD nor expansions.

[Feathered_IV]

Not sure how they will survive with only the modest earnings that CoD will bring in. Lucky that the Moscow project is getting made externally. It will be a long time between drinks for Maddox Games. Nice if they could rustle up some DLC to keep things ticking over in the meantime.

[jimbop]

Yeah, I think it is going ahead. I hope they have the decency to post a new roadmap for anyone who buys in ignorance.

[Doc_uk]

Yea i think it will go ahead, with a Patch on the same day:grin:

[Ali Fish]

Not sure how they will survive with only the modest earnings that CoD will bring in. Lucky that the Moscow project is getting made externally. It will be a long time between drinks for Maddox Games. Nice if they could rustle up some DLC to keep things ticking over in the meantime.

feathered tell me more please. this is making a heck of alot of sense to me. i actually said this to bigpickle yesterday. a more independantly made title that may supersede all that is presently.

i see plans within plans and success by the end.

[Thee_oddball]

Not sure how they will survive with only the modest earnings that CoD will bring in. Lucky that the Moscow project is getting made externally. It will be a long time between drinks for Maddox Games. Nice if they could rustle up some DLC to keep things ticking over in the meantime.

Are you saying battle for Moscow is NOT being made by MG? source please.

S!

[Thee_oddball]

let them take as long as they NEED to fix the game...dropng it on the market right now would be a mistake..

sound bug
no single player depth
micro stutters
MP AI planes disappearing
SLI/XFIRE problems...etc

i can already see the pitch forks and torches...lets not rush it out the door again!

S!

[Rattlehead]

I'm pretty sure it'll launch on the 19th. If not, they are leaving the announcement of a postponement extremely late.

I don't know how many boxed copies are being distributed, but no doubt they have already shipped them to retailers by now.

[Rattlehead]

dropng it on the market right now would be a mistake..



Happened once already, didn't it?

[Feathered_IV]

Hi Ali and Oddball. Luthier had posted here a couple of times here in response to concerns that the Moscow project would take over before CloD was fixed. He said that the development of BfM was being done externally.

[ATAG_Doc]

I predict it will be pushed out to after the end of summer vacation or after school starts for most of you kids. Awww what a drag. ahaha

[Richie]

The only thing I'm nervous about is they still have the old May 24th date at the Canadian UBI SOFT shop site. What's up with that? That's where I ordered from too :(

http://shop.ubi.com/store/ubina/en_CA/pd/ThemeID.8605600/productID.224108200/IL2-Sturmovik-Cliffs-of-Dover.html

[Ataros]

Hi Ali and Oddball. Luthier had posted here a couple of times here in response to concerns that the Moscow project would take over before CloD was fixed. He said that the development of BfM was being done externally.

It is good news probably meaning IL-2 in the long run will be developed by an independent studio(like RoF and DCS) and not limited by a publisher in any way. Then we have more communication and more finished releases but maybe we would need to pay more per aircraft (same as with RoF or DCS).

[BigPickle]

Hi Ali and Oddball. Luthier had posted here a couple of times here in response to concerns that the Moscow project would take over before CloD was fixed. He said that the development of BfM was being done externally.

WoW didnt know that, thats quite a revelation to reveal especially if its going to third party outside of 1C at this early stage of the game.

Hang on, didnt we see a 1C MG dev working on the radial during the meet the team update
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5031/5890587187_8827e804c3_z.jpg

So again I find myself wondering who to believe, luthier or the photo :(

Anyhow, Ataros i'm not sure exactly what you mean when you say a 3rd party dev like in RoF, I thought the dev team who made RoF made the planes too?

[Phazon]

I don't understand it either. As far as I'm aware its being worked on by the same people who made Cliffs of Dover which is 1C: Maddox Games. No-one has been able to provide a link to information that suggests otherwise which means its nothing more than a hoax at this stage.

[Ataros]

Anyhow, Ataros i'm not sure exactly what you mean when you say a 3rd party dev like in RoF, I thought the dev team who made RoF made the planes too?

I did not say 3rd party. I said independent from any major publishers like UBI, EA or Codemasters which get more than half the money, fire company founder and force the game released not finished.

RoF has a publisher which is 777 but I would consider them an independent studio still as 777 is rather small compared to UBI. I would not be surprised if RoF team and 777 is a one legal entity making 777 rather a dev company than a publisher from my point of view.

The MG team may work part-time for UBI finishing the engine (depending on how much work-time UBI covers by their contract) and half time for another company making all add-ons (if this rumor is true). I am talking mostly about modelers who have nothing left to do for CloD. Then when contract with UBI is over MG may become an independent studio like RoF team or DCS and sell all add-ons directly without a major international publisher involvement. Just a possibility but a good one for end users I think as we would get same quality of product as RoF or DCS even if we have to pay more.

I would prefer to see direct link to luthier's post mentioned above it if anyone has it.

[furbs]

I did not say 3rd party. I said independent from any major publishers like UBI, EA or Codemasters which get more than half the money, fire company founder and force the game released not finished.


Do you mean Oleg? Is that your opinion? or you know this?
where are you getting your information from?

interesting. though i can see this being removed sharpish.

[Ali Fish]

my take is that you mean externally from ubisoft ?. This makes a whole heap of sense to me. Ubi is the key to all this BS. i just knew it. If i was 14 and ubi was a guy id be aranging a fight with him down the local park right now .

The part im not happy about is 1C honesty in the fce of this BS. Why are they happy to let this semi conspiracy bubble to the surface.(i only say this coz they say sweet FA but we do know dont we???, Deep down we all know. why 1C why ?

[JG53Frankyboy]

WoW didnt know that, thats quite a revelation to reveal especially if its going to third party outside of 1C at this early stage of the game.

Hang on, didnt we see a 1C MG dev working on the radial during the meet the team update
...................

and even more as Luthier confirmed it would ba a La5......................
Would not have expected a La5 is needed for a title called "Battle for Moskau".

But otherwise Luthier posted also in the past a WIP turret of the Moskau Kremlin and a singleseat IL2 ..........................

[Ali Fish]

Would not have expected a La5 is needed for a title called "Battle for Moskau".

what do you mean by this. is it "LA5:BFM". i had joked about the IL2 name thing with a few peeps afore. and why not rename.. solves alot of issues.

[Ataros]

Everything I post is my opinion unless I provide a source for it.

What could be a reason for a company founder to abandon his most loved child? Only a conflict with a publisher.

Why do you think luthier and other devs several times mentioned that they can not provide more details on the reasons for this poor start? Only if they have a none-disclosure agreement. With whom do you usually sign a non-displeasure agreement? With someone who pays you money i.e. the publisher.

Who makes decision on date of release? Who approves the budget? Who cuts / reduces budget because of the financial crisis, who cuts devs salaries forcing them to leave?

We have a saying "He who pays money orders the music".

[Ali Fish]

this is what ive been thinking since day 1 Ataros. i appreciate your POV and that there is no source. Funny that the few like minded individualls around here all believe similar.

anyway this non disclosure is going to have to be respected by ourselves, us mere forum users.

If this sim gets taken out of the hands of ubisoft 100% im all for it "hurrah". i will await and see what we are ment to be getting. Sad that 1C have done this but the future could be bright around here. i expect full details on this proper project before im going to buy into it though Because as of now this stupid rubbish that is COD is sacked by me, uninstalling now.

1C we would all appreciate your forthcomingness in the matters.i hope at 1C you realise many wont buy XXXX from you in the future because of this debacle. Turn it around please.

[jimbop]

Yes, I've wondered the same thing, Ataros, and this is one reason I've avoided the 'Oleg slanging' that has sometimes started up. As well as it just being unpleasant.

Vizerra could certainly fit the bill for involvement in an expansion. It would be a good way to end this dark chapter for IL-2 if so. All speculation though.

http://blogs.vizerra.com/vizerra_en/2010/12/oleg-maddox-joined-the-vizerra-team-interview.html

[JG53Frankyboy]

1C is also a publisher btw.......................

WHO forced anyone, if at all, we will never know i guess !

but that UBI is not saying anything about the US release, thats is for sure UBIs fault ! Community support from UBI seems zero. Might be not worth for UBI management to put any more effort in it.............

[furbs]

I always hoped 777 would in some way get involved with COD and its sequels.

[jimbop]

I always hoped 777 would in some way get involved with COD and its sequels.

Won't happen is my read (see Jason's comments here (http://simhq.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/3284025/Re_777_Studios_taking_over_COD.html)) but as you see he raises a faint possibility of their own WW2 sim. Would be a long way off I imagine and dependent on the success of RoF.

[Ataros]

1C is also a publisher btw.......................

WHO forced anyone, if at all, we will never know i guess !

but that UBI is not saying anything about the US release, thats is for sure UBIs fault !

1C is the punisher only for Russia. I estimate it can be about 10-20% of sales maximum. Thus 1C has 1 vote where UBI has 4 or 9 votes on any decision.

BTW What was the only feature which Oleg mentioned 2 times in the official SoW:BoB presentation included in 1946 DVD? "Unprecedented attention to detail." This is what distinguishes Oleg and this is probably was the reason for conflict as details (including quality control) takes time and time costs publisher money.

ps. Just read
and the way to act basic principle (either to act better than the others in the market or not to do anything at all) led the team to success. http://blogs.vizerra.com/vizerra_en/2010/12/oleg-maddox-joined-the-vizerra-team-interview.html

[Pudfark]

I think it will be released on the 19th as well...
What supports my belief?
The lack of marketing by UBI.

The only "patch" that will be released on the 19th?
Will be for the back of your knickers.

The consumer of today?
Ain't interested in buying a "new product"...held together,
with duct tape, bubble gum, baling wire and a promise.

I can hear "carguy" coming from two miles away....:rolleyes:

[Thee_oddball]

I always hoped 777 would in some way get involved with COD and its sequels.

that would be almost a $100 for the BoB plane set plus the core game....think of all the planes in 1946 and then get out you calculator...
I am not entirely sure PPP would be a good idea for CoD.

S!

[Thee_oddball]

WoW didnt know that, thats quite a revelation to reveal especially if its going to third party outside of 1C at this early stage of the game.

Hang on, didnt we see a 1C MG dev working on the radial during the meet the team update
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5031/5890587187_8827e804c3_z.jpg

So again I find myself wondering who to believe, luthier or the photo :(

Anyhow, Ataros i'm not sure exactly what you mean when you say a 3rd party dev like in RoF, I thought the dev team who made RoF made the planes too?

no no pickle...he was playing stargate online :grin: