Threads empty

[Bobb4]

I remember a time when on aFriday afternoon there would be a 100 plus members waiting for words from the master... And now it is virtually empty :( Not a good sign for any of us :(

[addman]

There are obvious and valid reasons for this.

[Sternjaeger]

There are obvious and valid reasons for this.

no, there aren't.

[Tree_UK]

Well we know Olegs long long gone, Luthier is far too busy to type a sentence and the guy who got the job to communicate with us all is AWOL. Maybe they are all playing ROF! :grin:

[addman]

no, there aren't.

Oh I'm sorry! I meant that there are obvious and valid reasons for this for people who are not living in a fantasy bubble.;)

[HenFre]

... Maybe they are all playing ROF! :grin:

ROFL..

But as Luthier allready stated: no update untill next friday the 17th.. Beta release of the new patch..

[Bloblast]

Luthier stated last week (June 3rd) that the next patch will arrive June 17th.
This is a long list of changes and takes more time to program. So patches will arrive with less frequency.

[Stukadriver]

I am obviously not a routine contributor to this forum...although I have tried to keep tuned in to the ups and downs of the Cliffs of Dover saga. I see where people say that Oleg is gone, and other apparently key players in the development of this simulation are also seemingly vacant...where did they go? Who is continuing to correct the problems with COD? Or has it been abandoned...has Maddox Games really stiffed those people who bought it? I see where Amazon is advertising the game to be available after July 19 now...is that accurate and is this delay because someone is still trying to improve it?
It is hard for me to believe that Oleg and his crew would stiff people unless they plan to get out of the software development business. It would seem that such a move would not do their future credibility any good. They all look too young to retire.

[TUSA/TX-Gunslinger]

It's a great sign.

Developers are busy working.....

Trolls have found other targets. I believe that Luthier has done the smartest thing in the last few weeks, which is to stop providing information which is only going to be used to continue to "slam" the product.

The only way out of the current situation is by delivering better code, not by providing more fodder for the grist mill.

I've read all 3 forums every day, and for the last month or more - have refrained almost entirely from posting. It's hard to find a thread to contribute to, as they all head "negative" in about 4 posts. The same trolls time and time again, can't resist the urge for a "drive by".

All forums look pretty much the same. I suspect there are a lot of folks like me, who have spent most of their time setting up controls, flying single player, testing and really getting to know the guts of the simulation and the behavior of the aircraft.

For me, I can't wait till MP is fixed. Why? Then those of us, who've dedicated our time to the flight sim versus those who've made a career out of "forum posting" get to meet in the skies.

That is, of course, less that very small number of the community whose real hobby is "forum expertise" not "Combat Flight Simulation".

S!

Gunny

[Sternjaeger]

I will keep on stating this until nausea: we need a better interaction with the development team.

The whole spirit of this forum should have been of help and support, keeping things on topic (yes, boring topics to many maybe, but there are other forum for the OT rubbish), and trying to help with the development and change, because let's not forget that we've been sold an unfinished beta.

Now I have nothing against it, but it was one of the most unprofessional, appalling things I've ever seen, but having faith in Maddox Games and in view of the admin changes, I was hoping for a more effective and interactive reality, a reality where developers would come to the forum and ask, tell, explain, just like it happened with the development of the RoF beta, to which I merrily took part and gave my contribution regarding aeroplane behaviour.

The level of detail that we have today needs the input of multiple people, we can't just lock a bunch of code monkeys in a room and tell them to work at insane rates to shell out a sim.

How did we come to this stage? So many years of development and not a roadmap, not a release note, nothing official!! It's a sign of serious mishandling of a potentially successful software house.

I remember the times when Oleg had his typical smirk when asked "could this product take place of bigger things like Flight Simulator?", because I'm sure that was the long term project. It all vanished for some reason and there we are, with a rough diamond that needs still a lot of skillful craftmanship to be finished..

I'll be here waiting (like we've done for the last 6 years), but really, what a disappointment, so many years of experience and having learnt nothing from it in terms of development.

[CharveL]

It's a great sign.

Developers are busy working.....

Trolls have found other targets. I believe that Luthier has done the smartest thing in the last few weeks, which is to stop providing information which is only going to be used to continue to "slam" the product.

The only way out of the current situation is by delivering better code, not by providing more fodder for the grist mill.

I've read all 3 forums every day, and for the last month or more - have refrained almost entirely from posting. It's hard to find a thread to contribute to, as they all head "negative" in about 4 posts. The same trolls time and time again, can't resist the urge for a "drive by".

All forums look pretty much the same. I suspect there are a lot of folks like me, who have spent most of their time setting up controls, flying single player, testing and really getting to know the guts of the simulation and the behavior of the aircraft.

For me, I can't wait till MP is fixed. Why? Then those of us, who've dedicated our time to the flight sim versus those who've made a career out of "forum posting" get to meet in the skies.

That is, of course, less that very small number of the community whose real hobby is "forum expertise" not "Combat Flight Simulation".

S!

Gunny

+1

Cup is half full here too. I feel bad for those that are so hurt and wronged by the unfinished product that they are compelled to tantrums and largely useless rant posts (ad nauseum) like we didn't hear them the first time.

If it's next year's game then put it on the shelf and wait for it to be done, nobody's making you play it, and nobody made you buy it on the first day without waiting 24hours for reviews to save you all the heartache.

We also don't need armchair interpretations of how the software business is, or should be run and how devastating it all is for the industry.

Personally, I'm interested enough in what's there to be pretty grateful they released it a year early so I can try it out as an alpha/beta but then again I knew what I was getting into. Apparently others who are so butt-hurt about it would rather go on and on and on and on in the forums about it so that they can ruin everyone else's experience too. Nice job.

[raaaid]

i dint like much my locking of the salute thread

it was perfectly on topic and would improve the future of the game

but the poison spreaders prefer me banned for the sole reason of always being positive, positive about life and the game, and fullfill their agenda of ruining the game and comunity

it was stupid the mods listened to the reports of that thread when those reports had a negative intention :( while mine couldnt be more positive

[Tree_UK]

It's a great sign.

Developers are busy working.....

Trolls have found other targets. I believe that Luthier has done the smartest thing in the last few weeks, which is to stop providing information which is only going to be used to continue to "slam" the product.

The only way out of the current situation is by delivering better code, not by providing more fodder for the grist mill.

I've read all 3 forums every day, and for the last month or more - have refrained almost entirely from posting. It's hard to find a thread to contribute to, as they all head "negative" in about 4 posts. The same trolls time and time again, can't resist the urge for a "drive by".

All forums look pretty much the same. I suspect there are a lot of folks like me, who have spent most of their time setting up controls, flying single player, testing and really getting to know the guts of the simulation and the behavior of the aircraft.

For me, I can't wait till MP is fixed. Why? Then those of us, who've dedicated our time to the flight sim versus those who've made a career out of "forum posting" get to meet in the skies.

That is, of course, less that very small number of the community whose real hobby is "forum expertise" not "Combat Flight Simulation".

S!

Gunny


I guess your right Gunny, Luthier is doing the smartest thing by keeping out of the forums, if I sold something to lots of people whom i knew were my loyal following and had big respect for me, and i sold this product at full retail price knowing very well it was not fit for purpose then I to would be making myself very scarce. He's doing the smart thing.

[Tiger27]

Ah Tree, your a shining light always seeing the good in people, he may be just busy formulating that apology your always after :rolleyes:

[Tree_UK]

Ah Tree, your a shining light always seeing the good in people, he may be just busy formulating that apology your always after :rolleyes:

lol, now even i hadn't thought of that Tigs. :grin: (stares at pm inbox)

[Tiger27]

lol, now even i hadn't thought of that Tigs. :grin: (stares at pm inbox)

:lol::lol::lol:

[Anvilfolk]

...


Hear, hear!

[ParaB]

Basically all my sim buddies have shelved CoD for the time being and enjoy Rise of Flight, DCS:A-10C or even IL2:1946, as do I.

Most of us still hope for a bright future for CoD but none of us expects this to actually happen in the near future.

[CharveL]

http://www.demotivationalposters.org/image/demotivational-poster/1009/lowered-expectations-lowered-expectations-harry-demotivational-poster-1283417331.jpg

[Scarecrow]

It's a great sign.

Developers are busy working.....

Trolls have found other targets. I believe that Luthier has done the smartest thing in the last few weeks, which is to stop providing information which is only going to be used to continue to "slam" the product.

The only way out of the current situation is by delivering better code, not by providing more fodder for the grist mill.

I've read all 3 forums every day, and for the last month or more - have refrained almost entirely from posting. It's hard to find a thread to contribute to, as they all head "negative" in about 4 posts. The same trolls time and time again, can't resist the urge for a "drive by".

All forums look pretty much the same. I suspect there are a lot of folks like me, who have spent most of their time setting up controls, flying single player, testing and really getting to know the guts of the simulation and the behavior of the aircraft.

For me, I can't wait till MP is fixed. Why? Then those of us, who've dedicated our time to the flight sim versus those who've made a career out of "forum posting" get to meet in the skies.

That is, of course, less that very small number of the community whose real hobby is "forum expertise" not "Combat Flight Simulation".

S!

Gunny

+1 The toddlers have cried themselves out and finally gone to sleep and what would be the point of Luthier reiterating "The work continues" every seven days just to create a 20 page thread of nothing. I'm glad he's not babying the brats with constant attention to their whines, he must have caught some "super nanny" as this approach is far more effective in the long run. News when there is information to impart and no news is good news when there isn't.

[addman]

It's a great sign.

Developers are busy working.....

Trolls have found other targets. I believe that Luthier has done the smartest thing in the last few weeks, which is to stop providing information which is only going to be used to continue to "slam" the product.

The only way out of the current situation is by delivering better code, not by providing more fodder for the grist mill.

I've read all 3 forums every day, and for the last month or more - have refrained almost entirely from posting. It's hard to find a thread to contribute to, as they all head "negative" in about 4 posts. The same trolls time and time again, can't resist the urge for a "drive by".

All forums look pretty much the same. I suspect there are a lot of folks like me, who have spent most of their time setting up controls, flying single player, testing and really getting to know the guts of the simulation and the behavior of the aircraft.

For me, I can't wait till MP is fixed. Why? Then those of us, who've dedicated our time to the flight sim versus those who've made a career out of "forum posting" get to meet in the skies.

That is, of course, less that very small number of the community whose real hobby is "forum expertise" not "Combat Flight Simulation".

S!

Gunny

Yes, it's all good for you MP pilots but -believe it or not- not everybody play this game for the multiplayer. I play quite a few games online but IL-2 and CloD are amongst those games I prefer to play in single-player mode since I want to experience engrossing campaigns where one progresses and receive awards/new equipment/rise in rank. I don't get any rewards in flying around in an online furball collecting useless points. Co-op is nice though but it depends very much on who you play with and I don't want to be dependent on others for my gaming experience. That's where my main gripe with CloD lies, I expected it to advance in the single-player area or at least offer something similar to IL-2 but it actually took a step back from IL-2.

I can see where you're coming from though but don't try to make it seem as what only you think and what you enjoy from this game applies to others. There are no right nor wrong opinions in the matter of the state of this game. It all depends on what you, yourself expected from the game. Now back to playing the RoF campaign :)

[snwkill]

I remember a time when on aFriday afternoon there would be a 100 plus members waiting for words from the master... And now it is virtually empty :( Not a good sign for any of us :(

Yea I don't play this game I just read the updates. Luthier said it would be a couple of weeks for a fairly big patch. So I figure we won't hear from him until then.

The main forum has gone down hill, with bitching and moaning, really no reason to be here if I know Luthier isn't going to post.

[TUSA/TX-Gunslinger]

I will keep on stating this until nausea: we need a better interaction with the development team.

I agree with you, in general. Where we might disagree is the timing. Until the code base is stable and all basic issues functional, I can't see where a whole lot of interaction is productive at this point.

I'm sure you remember the initial state of ROF. Long lists of "I want" + "It would be good to have" necessarily came as a lower priority to stable code - stable functions - functional online (even if it was Coop only).


because let's not forget that we've been sold an unfinished beta.

Again, this is what many people said at this timepoint in RoF development/release. In fact, many people used the term "Alpha" then, applied in the same negative context.

The CoD that I have on my system, is light years ahead of where we started with RoF. Don't you think?

S!

Gunny

[TUSA/TX-Gunslinger]

Yes, it's all good for you MP pilots but -believe it or not- not everybody play this game for the multiplayer. I play quite a few games online but IL-2 and CloD are amongst those games I prefer to play in single-player mode since I want to experience engrossing campaigns where one progresses and receive awards/new equipment/rise in rank. I don't get any rewards in flying around in an online furball collecting useless points. Co-op is nice though but it depends very much on who you play with and I don't want to be dependent on others for my gaming experience. That's where my main gripe with CloD lies, I expected it to advance in the single-player area or at least offer something similar to IL-2 but it actually took a step back from IL-2.

I can see where you're coming from though but don't try to make it seem as what only you think and what you enjoy from this game applies to others. There are no right nor wrong opinions in the matter of the state of this game. It all depends on what you, yourself expected from the game. Now back to playing the RoF campaign :)

I never realized that my focus was "flying around in an online furball collecting useless points". Thanks for pointing that out for me.


I suspect there are a lot of folks like me, who have spent most of their time setting up controls, flying single player, testing and really getting to know the guts of the simulation and the behavior of the aircraft.

Did you read what I wrote?

This is a great example of what I mean by "drive-by forum shooting". I post one thing - then you change the context - to fit your agenda.

For the record, I enjoy Single Player too - and consider it an important aspect of any sim.

S!

Gunny

[ElAurens]

Meh, I've pretty much stopped flying altogether.

The CloD experience isn't worth the time, and IL2 now feels like a toy, and I abandoned ROF long ago, too expensive to keep up with and still no decent depiction of "the Front".

I'll be messing with ArmA II and Mass Effect 1&2 until CloD reaches a state as least as good as IL2 was on release.

Have fun guys.

[ATAG_Doc]

I am obviously not a routine contributor to this forum...although I have tried to keep tuned in to the ups and downs of the Cliffs of Dover saga. I see where people say that Oleg is gone, and other apparently key players in the development of this simulation are also seemingly vacant...where did they go? Who is continuing to correct the problems with COD? Or has it been abandoned...has Maddox Games really stiffed those people who bought it? I see where Amazon is advertising the game to be available after July 19 now...is that accurate and is this delay because someone is still trying to improve it?
It is hard for me to believe that Oleg and his crew would stiff people unless they plan to get out of the software development business. It would seem that such a move would not do their future credibility any good. They all look too young to retire.

You hit the nail on the head. I would never get this if I were you bro. This is a total mess. Horrible.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlYLHEtFD-g

[Blackdog_kt]

It's a great sign.

Developers are busy working.....

Trolls have found other targets. I believe that Luthier has done the smartest thing in the last few weeks, which is to stop providing information which is only going to be used to continue to "slam" the product.

The only way out of the current situation is by delivering better code, not by providing more fodder for the grist mill.

I've read all 3 forums every day, and for the last month or more - have refrained almost entirely from posting. It's hard to find a thread to contribute to, as they all head "negative" in about 4 posts. The same trolls time and time again, can't resist the urge for a "drive by".

All forums look pretty much the same. I suspect there are a lot of folks like me, who have spent most of their time setting up controls, flying single player, testing and really getting to know the guts of the simulation and the behavior of the aircraft.

For me, I can't wait till MP is fixed. Why? Then those of us, who've dedicated our time to the flight sim versus those who've made a career out of "forum posting" get to meet in the skies.

That is, of course, less that very small number of the community whose real hobby is "forum expertise" not "Combat Flight Simulation".

S!

Gunny

Call me crazy if you want but i'll go ahead and agree with mister in the above quote.

My main difference is that i'm still posting on the board, posting a whole lot in fact, mainly answering questions about known issues that i've managed to learn about from others or through my own testing.

Communication is good and needed but some people just use whatever snippet they're given as forum ammunition: if it's lack of news they go "where's our update?", if an update is posted they expect it on the same day next week/they will ask when the stuff the update talked about will be ready for download/both, if they are told when the patch arrives they will be quiet until the day they can download and then it's a repeat of it all. Oh and if for some reason the patch is delayed to, god forbid, fix something and test it in a proper manner before releasing it, all hell will break loose.

For that reason mainly, i really hope the new community manager will also have mod status so he can swing the ban-hammer when it's needed and nip trolling in the bud.

Disagreement and expressing disappointment is fine, trolling is not in the message but in the way one conveys it. In short, if people display bad manners as a hobby they should take a few days off to sit in the naughty kids corner until they calm down.

There are perfectly fine ways to express disappointment with the sim and tell everyone it's not finished yet and they can even be useful: compile a list of known bugs and issues like Insuber has done in his thread, or do something that's actually useful to another member of the community :-P

[CaptainDoggles]

Yes, it's all good for you MP pilots but -believe it or not- not everybody play this game for the multiplayer. I play quite a few games online but IL-2 and CloD are amongst those games I prefer to play in single-player mode since I want to experience engrossing campaigns where one progresses and receive awards/new equipment/rise in rank. I don't get any rewards in flying around in an online furball collecting useless points. Co-op is nice though but it depends very much on who you play with and I don't want to be dependent on others for my gaming experience. That's where my main gripe with CloD lies, I expected it to advance in the single-player area or at least offer something similar to IL-2 but it actually took a step back from IL-2.

I can see where you're coming from though but don't try to make it seem as what only you think and what you enjoy from this game applies to others. There are no right nor wrong opinions in the matter of the state of this game. It all depends on what you, yourself expected from the game. Now back to playing the RoF campaign :)

Once the game comes out in the US, and people on both sides of the pond get some time to become acquainted with the FMB, we will see plenty of fun campaigns.

All those people who made campaigns for IL-2 will be here eventually.

[=FI=Scott]

I'm no prolific poster but keep an eye out for news on development of the game. I have no interest in bashing either the developers or other players.

If for no other reason that the game updates have slowed down a bit it seems normal that thread traffic will go down likewise- what at this juncture is left to say that hasn't been said already ? Add to that the fact that Rise of Flight has had a very large update and is enjoying its time in the sun and i'm surprised there is as much going on here and at the other forum sites as there is.

When I got the game I started up a thread on our squadron forums and that has pretty much dried up too. the FI's have not even tried CoD multiplayer as a squad yet and I'm guessing we are not alone in that.

I hope the developers get to a point shortly where they are confident enough to proceed with the US launch as I would suggest that what this game needs is bums on seats in front of a cockpit, not on the forums doing personal wardances.

[mcler002]

I pop my head on the main page to see if there is any "updates" news... but never log on in the process...

lately ive been on the ps3 playing LA Noire too

[Sternjaeger]

I agree with you, in general. Where we might disagree is the timing. Until the code base is stable and all basic issues functional, I can't see where a whole lot of interaction is productive at this point.

the code base is stable IMHO, they're just tweaking things, not re-coding.
Besides I wouldn't have released it if there were stability issues, I would have done just like RoF did, announcing a beta subscription, where I subcribed, signed a non-disclosure contract, received the link for the beta and contributed in the forum. THAT is the way to do it.


I'm sure you remember the initial state of ROF. Long lists of "I want" + "It would be good to have" necessarily came as a lower priority to stable code - stable functions - functional online (even if it was Coop only).


funnily enough I gave up once the game was released, I had other impending priorities, but I suppose it's common to any game really.


Again, this is what many people said at this timepoint in RoF development/release. In fact, many people used the term "Alpha" then, applied in the same negative context.

The CoD that I have on my system, is light years ahead of where we started with RoF. Don't you think?

S!

Gunny



Well I remember the beta to be extremely stable, at least on my machine, and yes, there were issues here and there, but i remember one of the devs actively interacting with the lot of us that had actual flying experience, a mutually interesting interaction if I may add.

I believe that what has been sold is actually on par with the RoF beta (apart for the sounds, really unforgivable, and the aura of mystery around it is even more appalling). But above all I remember the devs SHARING issues and problems, so that people wouldn't be left wondering wtf was going on.

Maddox Games and Luthier have still a lot to learn in terms of development, despite the years of experience. They have so many examples out there, but at this stage I wonder whether they feel too superior or they're simply not able to interact fruitfully with the community..

[proton45]

I think a lot of people (like myself) got tired of the negative attitudes, that seemed to be flooding the forums. I remember, waaay back when "IL2 Sturmovik" first came out, the forums where flooded by a "different" kind of negative attitude...and I stayed away for a little while, til things calmed down.

[Feuerfalke]

I think a lot of people (like myself) got tired of the negative attitudes, that seemed to be flooding the forums. I remember, waaay back when "IL2 Sturmovik" first came out, the forums where flooded by a "different" kind of negative attitude...and I stayed away for a little while, til things calmed down.

Though the effect is the same, IMHO currently most people have turned their backs on this forum and just come back sporadicly for the rare news shared with us for a different reason.

With little information and the status of the game, there is not much room for anything to discuss here, other than discussing discussions and raaaids neverending sandbox-wisdoms.

[Sven]

With little information and the status of the game, there is not much room for anything to discuss here, other than discussing discussions and raaaids neverending sandbox-wisdoms.


Exactly. But that will be changing Luthier said, a spokesman will represent their team, and after the upcoming patch we will see increased activity again.

[JG52Uther]

As said,nothing to discuss.Its broken,most people have realised that,and have gone away for a while in the hope that,when they return things will be better,and CoD will finally be what it promised to be.

[Feuerfalke]

Exactly. But that will be changing Luthier said, a spokesman will represent their team, and after the upcoming patch we will see increased activity again.

Yeah, right....

[Tigertooo]

Yeah, right....

I rememered the announcment of a spokesman, where can i contact him please?

[jimbop]

Devs (and I use plural) should be posting more, particularly discussing problems and potential solutions. They have so much work to do to rebuild their relationship with the community after releasing CoD in the state it was in.

Let's face it - serious revenue will have to be based on future DLC or expansions given the caning CoD got in reviews and I can't see too many buying anything right now. Just common sense and costs relatively little to post. Who knows, they might even learn something.

[Thee_oddball]

As said,nothing to discuss.Its broken,most people have realised that,and have gone away for a while in the hope that,when they return things will be better,and CoD will finally be what it promised to be.

+1

[proton45]

I'm glad the game is out (mostly)...the way things had been going, we might have been waiting for a long-long time. This way we have our hands on the game...no more questions about "how far along things are", or "what features are included"...even the speculation about "vapor ware" is rendered moot.

I realize that (almost) no one is going to agree with me (lol). But looking at the situation realistically...I would rather have "some fun" with the game (in its present state) then sit around waiting forever. In a prefect world they would have a big development team and lots of money to throw at the situation...but that aint gonna happen.

Sooo, lets keep complaining about "being betrayed", and "being lied too", and "being cheated"...because I'm sure that the development team has no clue about how we feel.

[Pudfark]

I rememered the announcment of a spokesman, where can i contact him please?

"The number you have dialed is not a working number"
"Please try your number again"
"Click.....buzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz"

The excuses for "miss-communication" and "non-communication" litter this forum...

Smoke and Mirrors....Wink and Nod....

So, yeah Tigertooo....me two.

[nearmiss]

I believe we all want a complete and competent BOB COD?

As a business person, I realize at some point the developer and distributor must evaluate their ongoing expense options vs. what are prospects for profitability. It's about making payroll and keeping people interested to do their best to finish the project profitably.

It is important for us to keep a positive attitude and convey that to Luthier and the devs.

The negative talk here, and on the internet just reinforces a negative outcome for the sim we have waited for over six years. It may be more in our power to enable the future of BOB COD than we realize.

Think about it

[JG52Krupi]

If the game is still not performing nicely in 6 months then I will have a moan until then I am trying to enjoy it when I can.

I just wish they would sort out the 109 is the FM messed up or am i just a terrible pilot :confused: :rolleyes:

[Pudfark]

"The number you have dialed is not a working number"
"Please try your number again"
"Click.....buzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz"

The excuses for "miss-communication" and "non-communication" litter this forum...

Smoke and Mirrors....Wink and Nod....

So, yeah Tigertooo....me two.

Much like the phone call above, $50 later and two months "on hold"...
Folks who have paid for the "sim" shouldn't have to pay for the mistake in
the premature release of this product...though many have. This "sim" is not going to make it. From the beginning it was deliberately misrepresented and sold and no where was it represented "as is"....which, two months later, it still is "as is".

If this is such a wonderful product?
Why wasn't it marketed in a professional manner?
Where is the "designee" to communicate with?
Where I come from....No Message is a Message.

So if patience and a kind word are the "key"?
How well did that work for the Madhoff investors?

Who ever is responsible for this "financial fiasco" and or the repair of it?
They/He/She or it....needs to speak up and speak honestly to all of us.
The longer the wait...the more likely this "sim" will fail.

The next three weeks will be the tell/tale.

[jimbop]

I believe we all want a complete and competent BOB COD?

As a business person, I realize at some point the developer and distributor must evaluate their ongoing expense options vs. what are prospects for profitability. It's about making payroll and keeping people interested to do their best to finish the project profitably.

It is important for us to keep a positive attitude and convey that to Luthier and the devs.

The negative talk here, and on the internet just reinforces a negative outcome for the sim we have waited for over six years. It may be more in our power to enable the future of BOB COD than we realize.

Think about it

nearmiss, I am a business man as well and know that public perception is a very large part of product success or failure. I agree that CoD badly needs a strongly optimistic forum after the abysmal reviews it has received but the devs must work at this as much as the participants. In the absence of information the negatives will always end up on top since there's so much fodder. That's just a basic principle of consumer engagement.

Unfortunately, the state that CoD was released in means that the devs are playing catchup on community trust and respect. However, there could easily be a strong positive interaction between the devs and community that drove the forum toward the goal of fixing CoD. This could start with something as simple as updates about the status of the problems in Insuber's thread (http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=23405).

Why not? Yes, it takes time but given the circumstances and the requirement for a positive forum it should be a priority. And honestly, if you don't have time for one or two forum posts every day then you have much bigger problems; non-existent time management for one!