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Buzpilot
06-16-2011, 04:19 PM
They said " Its going to be more comunication between Users and Developers" http://imgur.com/5X0hu.png

I'm probably spoiled by other developer communications:cool: http://twitter.com/#!/eagledynamics

klem
06-16-2011, 08:35 PM
i agree!the only concern i have, is that there is the possibility that cod will get abandoned by devs one day, if they dont get enough cash in their wallet, leaving us with an rough diamand.

This is the ONLY thing that matters. Anything can be fixed if CoD (SoW?!) prevails.

Those that don't like CoD can go their own way. If they are not interested that's their perogative but please stop bleeding all over us although, like others, I will try to persuade those who are unsure.

Those that are interested in it can wait patiently while we feed the bugs back and the devs work on it or buy it and try it (and support the bug reporting if they like).

There are many of us that accept that its still being fixed and will still be around when it is but if this sim fails we are stuck with IL-2 and its ten year old technology, FMs and DMs (no matter how smart the mods) and nothing else new in WWII sims of the IL-2/CoD type for the foreseeable future, if at all. Apart from re-dressing, IL-2 has almost reached it's limit and don't forget, TD are denied permission to create a BoB scenario in IL-2, the archetypal WWII air battle and one of the largest air battles of the war.

CoD is only the start of a new standard in WWII simulation providing it gets the support it needs, and please don't regurgitate the 'why is it it like this/how could they' arguments, we've heard them all and we've a good idea why.

Accept it or leave it but please, stop bleeding over it, its old news.

Triggaaar
06-17-2011, 09:01 AM
Dude the British would have been defeated if they had continued to pound the airfields it was due to the bombing of cities that gave the RAF the relief that they needed to be able to continue fighting.Out-dated view, that is far from the truth.

Eshark
06-17-2011, 09:25 AM
I remember when COD was released and no was as diapointed as I ,and I even whined for a little while which I regret.After seeing the effort that the guys at 1C were putting in my spirits rose,and I cant thank them enough.The game is cool I dont have many problems now,and the ones I do have are minor,and not worth commenting on well done 1C.
Iam content in the knowledge that the game can only improve,and be the leader it promises to be.I would also like to point out that some people have selective or short memorys I remember Il2 when It was first released and it was not much better but look how that game progressed with the release of each patch,and progresivley there after.Guys if you dont like the game then leave it and go fly some thing else each to their own.I for one have the patience and confidence in 1C to know all is good and I have much to look forward to

Wolf
06-17-2011, 09:54 AM
The fact that they stopped bombing airfields gave the RAF some relief does not mean that if they hadn't stopped then the RAF would have crumbled.
It just gave them time to reorganize and replenish the pilots.
At the end of the day they came through for Britain and we as a nation owe more to them than any other fighting party

pupo162
06-17-2011, 10:14 AM
its friday friday friday!

gotto get down on friday friday!

~where is the patch? :grin:

ATAG_Doc
06-17-2011, 01:28 PM
cough

Ze-Jamz
06-17-2011, 01:37 PM
The fact that they stopped bombing airfields gave the RAF some relief does not mean that if they hadn't stopped then the RAF would have crumbled.
It just gave them time to reorganize and replenish the pilots.
At the end of the day they came through for Britain and we as a nation owe more to them than any other fighting party

Agreed..

We were in a pretty shi^^y state as far as Airfields and AC goes...them changing the target area at London and other cities gave Britain the time it needed to replenish Aircraft and pilots as well as fix AF's..

Who knows what would of happened if they kept us on the ground...very very hard to stop an evasion if you havent got an airforce to help stop it and the enemy has a free ball park to pound any defense we have/had.

But in that situation Hitler was fighting to many fronts at any given time... i could pretty much guarantee if he chose to not do that and brought the fight to Britain first and when he first thought about it with a continued attack on our Airfields to start...well i think things would be very different

roadczar
06-17-2011, 01:44 PM
1C needs to learn the meaning of "commitment".

So much for...:rolleyes:
Hi everyone,
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So stay tuned for more patch info next week. I'll try to do more regular weekly Friday updates from now on.

Fjordmonkey
06-17-2011, 02:04 PM
1C needs to learn the meaning of "commitment".

You need to learn the meaning of "Patience". Friday's not over yet.:rolleyes:

Ze-Jamz
06-17-2011, 02:06 PM
You need to learn the meaning of "Patience". Friday's not over yet.:rolleyes:

And you need to learn the meaning of 'understanding said sentence' :rolleyes:

I think hes revering to the fact that were still not having updates, communication etc etc ;)

roadczar
06-17-2011, 02:11 PM
And you need to learn the meaning of 'understanding said sentence' :rolleyes:

I think hes revering to the fact that were still not having updates, communication etc etc ;)

There you go:!:

jamesdietz
06-17-2011, 03:12 PM
Today?Maybe?

Bloblast
06-17-2011, 03:20 PM
Today?Maybe?

Previous patches came evening CET.

ATAG_Doc
06-17-2011, 03:41 PM
The drum roll is missing. Who has drums?

jamesdietz
06-17-2011, 04:05 PM
Belly tanks for the109s would have made a difference too...more time & confidence over Englandoften overlooked...whats this have to do with much needed patch?

Jatta Raso
06-17-2011, 04:19 PM
Agreed..

We were in a pretty shi^^y state as far as Airfields and AC goes...them changing the target area at London and other cities gave Britain the time it needed to replenish Aircraft and pilots as well as fix AF's..

Who knows what would of happened if they kept us on the ground...very very hard to stop an evasion if you havent got an airforce to help stop it and the enemy has a free ball park to pound any defense we have/had.

But in that situation Hitler was fighting to many fronts at any given time... i could pretty much guarantee if he chose to not do that and brought the fight to Britain first and when he first thought about it with a continued attack on our Airfields to start...well i think things would be very different

sure they would; Stalin would have attacked the germans in the back for sure

Timberwolf
06-17-2011, 04:37 PM
Agreed..

We were in a pretty shi^^y state as far as Airfields and AC goes...them changing the target area at London and other cities gave Britain the time it needed to replenish Aircraft and pilots as well as fix AF's..

Who knows what would of happened if they kept us on the ground...very very hard to stop an evasion if you havent got an airforce to help stop it and the enemy has a free ball park to pound any defense we have/had.

But in that situation Hitler was fighting to many fronts at any given time... i could pretty much guarantee if he chose to not do that and brought the fight to Britain first and when he first thought about it with a continued attack on our Airfields to start...well i think things would be very different

I think everyone makes it a strong point that because germany changed tatics and bombed london that That was why England was able to fight back However i read a a few books and talked to a few vets about airfields around the time To know that alot of the airfields were made to look like roads and farmming fields and the fake airfields as real ones Germany had alot of bad info on old airfields and even bombed a airfield that was used for sea bombing/recon thinking it was a main stronghold for spitfires and bombed almost daily When the real field was 20 miles to the west and missed

Shipping : Canada i know was making Hurries and spits and mossy's, Lancasters and shipping them over the pond along with metal and fuel aswell with US arms o the point that later German U-boats were seen and sunk off the coast of Canada

So was it that Germany Thought they had crushed the RAF already and moved on to demoralize the english people,

Or Gave up on trying to crush the RAF and figured a surrender would come by bombing London. After all Doolittle tryied to scratch Tokyo to prove a point

My thought was. Germany had bombed other countries Airfields then cities with little fight back and stuck with the same tatic figuring they had beaten the RAF from misguided reports Letting the RAF form defence patterns with radar RAF also had time to move air fields and cover those ones that would best suit defence They also knew that Fuel would be a major issue for Germany. I keep remembering a quote a pilot used : Would you rather shoot down 50 esorted bombers with bombs or 100 unesorted bombers after they droped there bombs .....He never told me the answer but that was a tatic used back then.

MB_Avro_UK
06-20-2011, 10:38 PM
If Churchill had been replaced by Lord Halifax in May 1940, there would have been no need for the Battle of Britain.

And this could have happened. If the Dunkirk evacuation had not been successful, Churchill would have been forced out of Government. He was not popular with many in Government, particularly the British 'aristocratic' German sympathisers who saught appeasement.

Don't forget, the British Royal Family was and is of German heritage.

Equally, if the German Luftwaffe had attained air superiority over southern England, Churchill would have been ousted.

Plt Off JRB Meaker
06-21-2011, 08:02 AM
If Churchill had been replaced by Lord Halifax in May 1940, there would have been no need for the Battle of Britain.

And this could have happened. If the Dunkirk evacuation had not been successful, Churchill would have been forced out of Government. He was not popular with many in Government, particularly the British 'aristocratic' German sympathisers who saught appeasement.

Don't forget, the British Royal Family was and is of German heritage.

Equally, if the German Luftwaffe had attained air superiority over southern England, Churchill would have been ousted.

There's a lot of if's and maybe's in there Avro,the truth is Winston Churchil was the sole motivator to the British people back in 1940,he lead this country through it's darkest days.

The thought of our own Government appeasing with the Nazi's after Poland is a complete joke,it would'nt have happened.

Like him or not the man was a genius of politics,if the Germans had invaded this country,any leader of this country would've been ousted,period,this I would imagine to most would be a no brainer:rolleyes:

jcenzano
06-21-2011, 11:04 AM
next patch info?? I thought this was a high level historic-geo-strategic forum. but maybe i am a little OT.

Bobb4
06-21-2011, 11:12 AM
It was never likely an invasion of Britian would take place, after the Norway debacle the German High Command were loathed to launch any sea invasion.



At sea the invasion of Norway proved a significant setback. For the Kriegsmarine the campaign led to crippling losses, leaving the Kriegsmarine with a surface force of one heavy cruiser, two light cruisers and four destroyers operational. This left the navy weakened during the summer months when Hitler was pursuing plans for an invasion of Britain...

Tree_UK
06-21-2011, 11:21 AM
It was never likely an invasion of Britian would take place, after the Norway debacle the German High Command were loathed to launch any sea invasion.



At sea the invasion of Norway proved a significant setback. For the Kriegsmarine the campaign led to crippling losses, leaving the Kriegsmarine with a surface force of one heavy cruiser, two light cruisers and four destroyers operational. This left the navy weakened during the summer months when Hitler was pursuing plans for an invasion of Britain...

I 100% agree Bobb, just a distraction whilst preperation for the invaison of Russia was underway.

Feathered_IV
06-21-2011, 11:30 AM
I 100% agree Bobb, just a distraction whilst preperation for the invaison of Russia was underway.

Describes CloD and the Battle for Moscow addon perfectly. :-P

Frequent_Flyer
06-21-2011, 12:19 PM
Describes CloD and the Battle for Moscow addon perfectly. :-P
Can we anticipate the BOM addon released on 6-22-2041?;)

Majo
06-21-2011, 01:31 PM
We lost Britain, lets move forward to Moscow...

There is some déjà vu in it.

Salutes.

Mattius
06-21-2011, 03:14 PM
Seem to have gone OFF TOPIC here. Question is - where is the Beta patch?:confused:

ATAG_Doc
06-21-2011, 03:18 PM
Seem to have gone OFF TOPIC here. Question is - where is the Beta patch?:confused:

It's usually later that we get these.

Insuber
06-21-2011, 03:22 PM
I'm falling in the OT trap ... but Lord Halifax literally trembled at the idea of taking over from Neville Chamberlain, he had psychosomatic troubles when he was asked to give his availability to be the British PM.
Indeed, Churchill was chosen upon Chamberlain's indication, after the repeated refusals of Halifax. It seems very unlikely that Halifax would have been available in May 1940, when Britain was well into the thick of the frail. And as far as an appeasement, I'm sure that neither the royal family nor the Britons would have accepted a brutal diminishment of their Empire, influence and wealth, the logical consequence of a reddition to German expansion.

Cheers!

Kanalkrank
06-21-2011, 03:49 PM
Seem to have gone OFF TOPIC here. Question is - where is the Beta patch?:confused:



http://www.picshag.com/pics/102009/need-patience.jpg

or

I can't wait any longer...

http://izit.org/sites/izit.org/files/imagecache/top-content-thumb/sites/default/files/Fire_Window_Fall_2831.gif

:)

Psit
06-21-2011, 04:19 PM
its out..

GOZR
06-22-2011, 05:22 AM
Well .. What to say .. there are so many things to fix and other settings to adjust for this sim to be more realistic....
I would fix-adjust some things for sure...

klem
06-22-2011, 07:53 AM
As the next patch is out and we're OT on Churchill, etc., if Britain had appeased Germany we would porobably be speaking Russian now.

If Germany had still invaded Norway.e.g.for resources then our hand would have been forced by an iunvasion on 'our' side of Europe and we woulkd proibably have gone to war anyway but if Germany had not......

With no need to invade western Europe Hitler could have concentrated all his forces on defeating Russia - his primary goal - and would quite possibly have captured Moscow and Leningrad. However, Stalin would have done what he did anyway and withdrawn to the Russian interior to re-build. Russia would almost certainly still have defeated Hitler and then, with no USA involvement in Europe and seeing Western Europe's appetite for appeasement, he would quite likely have kept on coming. By that time his armed forces numbered in the millions and Western Europe would have had nothing to challenge him with - or would have challenged him with the same failuires as 1940 in Belgium, Holland, France, Norway, etc.. By then the Soviet Air Force would have been considerably larger than the RAF and much more experienced, having fought the Luftwaffe, than the Luftwaffe was fighting the RAF in 1940.

scotchegg
06-22-2011, 08:45 AM
Is the blue lines bug for ATI users fixed?

OB1
06-22-2011, 08:55 AM
multiplayer sound bug still exists, although I played for an hour before it happened.. Thought it was good until that. A friend I was playing with got the bug around the same time I did. Back to DCS we go.. usually I'm not too fussy but that sound bugs a show stopper for me..

never ask for anything before but I have 1 request... stop moving away from realism, I want the original mechanical gauges back. At least make it optional..

RE77ACTION
06-22-2011, 10:09 AM
Is the blue lines bug for ATI users fixed?

Nope, but I think 1C can't fix it because it's driver related (only exist with 69xx cards). But either way, I hope that 1C fixes it in their own code or put pressure on ATI because it looks like that nobody is taking this problem seriously (ATI acts like it's the customers own problem).

Strike
06-22-2011, 11:13 AM
never ask for anything before but I have 1 request... stop moving away from realism, I want the original mechanical gauges back. At least make it optional..

realistic gauges option +1

the Dutchman
06-24-2011, 02:39 PM
..and the release version of it is scheduled for the Friday after that, June 24th..

:(

Strike
06-24-2011, 03:21 PM
:(

Have an ocean of patience and swallow it :P

David198502
06-24-2011, 03:51 PM
realistic gauges option +1