Enemy AI is...retarded

[Formula88]

Besides the ridiculous roll rate I've seen some aircraft pulling, especially the 110's (a big twin engine can outroll a hurricane?), what are they thinking?
They constantly make erratic manuevers and always lose altitude when trying to evade. Every fight ends up on the deck because these idiots would rather barrel roll into the ocean than even try to knife fight. Then when you get to the deck they climb just enough to erattically fly left and right and roll over down to the deck again.

Can anyone hit anything besides bombers in this sim?? The constant flip flopping of the AI makes it damn near impossible to hit them, I just spent god knows how may minutes on the tail of one bf-110 and ran out of ammo without a kill. 8%, thats how many rounds landed out of 2400... I'm better than that, 1946 proved it. Maybe the guys in charge of AI in this completely forgot the lessons learned from the original games? Perhaps watching some gun camera footage from the era would give them a better idea of how an enemy evades an attacker in the air.

On another note, I never get shot down and rarely even shot at since the AI is so concerned about flopping about the sky they never actually try to engage with any kind of skill. Yuck... If 1946 didnt look like a cartoon after seeing this I woudnt hesitate to go back at this point.

[hockeywarrior]

I HAVE gone back to 1946 and plan to stay there until they have fixed the terrible AI in this game. I am experiencing everything you are going through and I find it a total game-breaker.

When the AI isn't pulling impossible mindless stunts (all while not losing airspeed, mind you), climbing at insane rates without burning out their engines, or pulling out of impossibly bad spins, they are completely benign. I rarely get shot at, and sometimes when I do the AI just decides to stop attacking. Even more hilarious, many times the AI acts like I'm not even there, and I'll pump a billion rounds into a plane that flies perfectly straight.

It's like they're either pulling F-16 maneuvers (literally) or completely oblivious to your existence. It's the most boring and infuriating experience I've had in a game with AI ... no joke. Prettiness or not, I'd much rather fly in IL2 1946 where I get a rewarding experience.

[BigPickle]

or they collide with each other or your own ai will just try to take off through you lol

[hockeywarrior]

Yeah the AI has collided with me several times, and with eachother countless times by now.

I forgot that they also have the retarded habit of crashing themselves when you have to ditch your plane. Unlike in 1946, they are too stupid to know that the ground is not good for their airplane ...

Of course voice commands also don't work so you can't tell them to go fly off somewhere to avoid this ...

[raaaid]

the ai emulates very well online fighting

boy do i hate others doins scissors

[Formula88]

the ai emulates very well online fighting

boy do i hate others doins scissors

Lol, with those specs how can you even play this game? And the AI emulates very well what live people online do in a dogfight? You sir, are full of shit. I dont think you have even played this game on your 3rd world PC. Please leave the discussion to those that can actually play the game. Maybe you were talking about 1946?

[Scarf Ace!]

If the AI is making itself harder to hit, I'd say they've done a good job with it. It's difficult to actually get on a single engine fighter's tail with a Bf-110 when it's already behind you, so making itself a hard target seems to be a good option.

To me it sounds like you just don't want to admit your aiming isn't too good in this game.

[bongodriver]

the ai emulates very well online fighting

boy do i hate others doins scissors

Bizarrely I have to agree with raaaid here, the online AI are almost human, shooting down 110's in a spit is childsplay, but single player makes you dizzy and epileptic......

[1.JaVA_Platypus]

Lol, with those specs how can you even play this game? And the AI emulates very well what live people online do in a dogfight? You sir, are full of shit. I dont think you have even played this game on your 3rd world PC. Please leave the discussion to those that can actually play the game. Maybe you were talking about 1946?

He said somewhere else that he used the 400X300 resolution :D

But I agree with him also on the AI issue

[reflected]

Congrats gents, you've created the dumbest and most annoying AI ever.

they climb forver, they're not affected by physics. 2 super fast rolls left, 1 right, 2 left...

Seriously?

The game runs smooth now thanks to the patch but I can't be arsed to play against such a stupid über AI.

Even if they flew as they should (FM) they would be very dumb.

[Formula88]

If the AI is making itself harder to hit, I'd say they've done a good job with it. It's difficult to actually get on a single engine fighter's tail with a Bf-110 when it's already behind you, so making itself a hard target seems to be a good option.

To me it sounds like you just don't want to admit your aiming isn't too good in this game.


To me it sounds like you dont what you are talking about...
Have you even played this game?? I have watched Bf-109's roll inverted and change direction 180 degrees in under half a second! My aim?? No one can aim at that lol! If you decide to follow any of the AI planes on one of their rolling dives that would stall any human players plane you can fly straight down with them and never catch up even at full throttle.

I have been playing combat flight sims probably since before you were born, I can assure you there is nothing wrong with my aim.;) The best part is that after the AI does its twitchy, rolling, diving garbage and gets a certain distance from your aircraft they fly on like you were never there until you get within a certain distance again... A complete joke.

[Rattlehead]

There is no element of danger flying against the AI. They are too passive and their aim is dreadful.

[123-Wulf-123]

I love hearing all these online "ACES" talking out of their holes, "I'm better than that" sure you are Biggles. :rolleyes:

And leave Raaid alone, he knows more about this game than most of you, and why you seem to think its ok to insult someone because of what hardware they have is beyond me ......dickbake :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:.

[snwkill]

There is no element of danger flying against the AI. They are too passive and their aim is dreadful.

They actually seem to be a little more dangerous in the official patch, then they were in the Beta. I know I used to be able to just sit behind one and dump bullets into it. But now I actually had to do some dodging and cross attacks.

Personally right now I think MP needs to take priority, especially all of the troubles the guys with Dedicated servers are having.

[squidgyb]

I love hearing all these online "ACES" talking out of their holes, "I'm better than that" sure you are Biggles. :rolleyes:

S'true there may be a few large egos around here, but the fact remains that something is wrong with the AI.

I think the issue would best be rephrased as;

"the enemy AI is... unrealistic"

...to say the least. Bombers flying like fighters, fighters not attacking/responding to being attacked, and generally planes flying on/over the knife edge when controlled by the AI - don't get me wrong, I want the enemies to be good - but there's good piloting and then there's "taking advantage of the system".

I think another word for it would be inconsistent - bad aim, bad reactions, yet superb use of CEM/FM - to the point that if it were a human pulling off those moves you'd instantly be shouting "HAX!!111!!11" at the screen.

e: oh, and yeah, Raaaid's alright. It's not like he's actually being offensive - he's just, erm... amusing if I'm honest. There's just no need for the "I won't suffer fools!" attitude. English isn't his first language and he's got some odd opinions is all. No harm done.

[Formula88]

I love hearing all these online "ACES" talking out of their holes, "I'm better than that" sure you are Biggles. :rolleyes:

And leave Raaid alone, he knows more about this game than most of you, and why you seem to think its ok to insult someone because of what hardware they have is beyond me ......dickbake :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:.

Your hardware sucks too, get a job you prat and go buy a real system.:rolleyes:

[TheGrunch]

If you're so great, why are all of your posts about how you can't shoot things down? :rolleyes: Have you set up your convergences and ammo loadings? Do you actually use a bit of patience and wait until you can get a good shot? I rarely get less than 10% hit rate in this sim and I am not very good. I can usually take down at least two AI aircraft a sortie.

Anyway, one visible problem with the AI other than the aforementioned crazy roll rates and ridiculous climbing ability (just like 1946) if you look at them in an external view it seems they have absolutely no control surface inertia. Their control surfaces can just snap from one position to another instantly. That certainly doesn't help.

Then there's the *utter* stupidity. Try loading one of the online dogfight missions on a map that has lots of hills. Odds are, the VAST majority of the AI aircraft in the mission will crash into a hill without even attempting to evade them. In one of the online missions where there are some very steep hills my flight was the only one that didn't crash uncomplainingly into terrain, and that was simply because I took control and climbed out of the way before they did so.

[Formula88]

If you're so great, why are all of your posts about how you can't shoot things down?
Actually I can shoot much more effectively now that I got the control sensitivity worked out(see my thread in the controls section). But that doesnt mean the AI isnt still completely ridiculous. Two aircraft a mission is about right, sometimes I get 3 when lucky.

[raaaid]

you have to get closer :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNOVmsEmyAA

[hockeywarrior]

This complaint has very little if nothing to do with "how hard the AI is to shoot down." The biggest problem is that the AI is literally cheating and not remotely following the laws of physics.

Of course, there are separate AI issues like when they ignore me shooting at them completely or decide to follow my plane into the ground when I'm crashing. However, I'd much prefer if the AI would not cheat first, before the devs rework their AI patterns.

This is one of the worst things about IL2 1946 and now it's even worse in CoD.

Oh and ...
you have to get closer :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNOVmsEmyAAIn your video the AI is literally sitting there doing nothing -- not pulling F-16 style instant barrel rolls without losing any speed whatsoever. There is a BIG difference.

[K_Freddie]

Actually I can shoot much more effectively now that I got the control sensitivity worked out(see my thread in the controls section). But that doesnt mean the AI isnt still completely ridiculous. Two aircraft a mission is about right, sometimes I get 3 when lucky.

We all learn something new every day. Don't worry, we'll make an 'ace' out of you yet - just keep an eye out for your '6' ;)

[Formula88]

Ugh! I'm really trying to enjoy playing this but I cannot until the AI is fixed. Back to 1946...damn.

[CH_RoadDogg]

Ok I went into the FMB and had a look at the AI planes in the mission I was flying.

There are different skill settings you can choose from Ace Veteran and a few others.

The mission I was flying Somthing over Dover cant remember the exact name.

The skill leval was set to different which isnt even a option in the drop down box when you click on it.

I changed it to veteren and saved it.

The AI dosnt fly so crazy in that mission now but it does evade and attack still.

My point is you can change the way AI flies in the missions if you dont like the crazy way the default settings are.

And if you want to mess with the quick combat missions all you have to do is copy and paste them into the folder with the single missions .

That way you can set your loadouts and adjust settings in them missions in the FMB.

[reflected]

Are you suggesting that modifying the AI level will make them abide by the laws of physics? I don't think so...

[Ctrl E]

Are you suggesting that modifying the AI level will make them abide by the laws of physics? I don't think so...

The AI sucks. Completely crazy barrel rolls have driven me back to 1946.

[hockeywarrior]

Are you suggesting that modifying the AI level will make them abide by the laws of physics? I don't think so...Exactly ... I highly doubt there is an AI function that says "DO/DO NOT FOLLOW LAWS OF PHYSICS". I'm sure the AI still cheats on other difficulties but it's not as obvious.

[drewpee]

I flew a 109 v spit dogfight last night. I bagged one spit and spent the next 5 mins dogging E/A locking onto one and managed to stick with him. The next few mins I emptied my guns into him only taking good shots from 4 to 7 o'clock. He just kept up his defencive maneuvers. He was leaking oil, the fuselage was peppered with holes and the wings had large holes in them right where control linkages would be.

Some one suggested it may take time for AC to go down so I followed for another 15min. I then jumped into his body and looked through his eyes and found he was badly wounded. The screen was so red you could only just make out the instrument panel. there is no way I could have evaded an enemy AC in that condition.

Sorry don't care what some may say the AI and damage model is flawed.:-)

[123-Wulf-123]

Your hardware sucks too, get a job you prat and go buy a real system.:rolleyes:

Said the 12 year old whose mommy and daddy meant to get him an X-Box, but were talked out of it by a salesman who can spot suckers with a spoilt brat of a child a mile away :-P

You may have the fastest, bestest PC mommy could afford, but its plain that it is wasted on a fool like you, maybe when you grow up and realise that you can't have everything your way, you might learn how to actually achieve your aims.

Its not the aircraft, but the pilot......... a bad workman blames his tools.

[maxwellbest]

I flew an offline Spit vs 110 mis. Gotta say, did think the 110 was a little Uber. There is so much of the original IL2 in this sim, which I had hoped would be improved upon. High alt is another area. Nevermind, heres hoping all will be good.

[matsher]

Lol, with those specs how can you even play this game? And the AI emulates very well what live people online do in a dogfight? You sir, are full of shit. I dont think you have even played this game on your 3rd world PC. Please leave the discussion to those that can actually play the game. Maybe you were talking about 1946?

To me it sounds like you dont what you are talking about...
Have you even played this game?? I have watched Bf-109's roll inverted and change direction 180 degrees in under half a second! My aim?? No one can aim at that lol! If you decide to follow any of the AI planes on one of their rolling dives that would stall any human players plane you can fly straight down with them and never catch up even at full throttle.

I have been playing combat flight sims probably since before you were born, I can assure you there is nothing wrong with my aim.;) The best part is that after the AI does its twitchy, rolling, diving garbage and gets a certain distance from your aircraft they fly on like you were never there until you get within a certain distance again... A complete joke.

Your hardware sucks too, get a job you prat and go buy a real system.:rolleyes:

Wow Formula88, you are a truly offensive human being.
The fact you get off telling people (who do not share you views) what you've said
above is simply unacceptable. Regardless of whether the AI is flawed or not, the
way you try to big up yourself speaks volumes... It is a certainty that any person
out of their early twenties would not speak in your manner or tone... Unless
they were brought up in a trailer. So are you a young damaged boy Formula88
or where you brought up in a trailer?

There are a few human truths you learn as you get older, let me share three with you.

- If someone tells you that they have a good sense of humour... They don't.

- If a girl tells you that she's great in bed, that's because no guy has ever been honest with her.

- And if some mouthy little snot rag has to tell everyone that he's a great shooter... He isn't.

So feel free to insult my computer specs or have a go at my honest criticism.
Please show me that everything I've said has totally gone above your head.
It's what everyone expects from you, so go on... Prove them right.

[Extreme_One]

...
There is a few human truths you learn as you get older, let me share three with you.

- If someone tells you that they have a good sense of humour... They don't.

- If a girl tells you that she's great in bed, that's because no guy has ever been honest with her.

- And if some mouthy little snot rag has to tell everyone that he's a great shooter... He isn't.

...

Wise words indeed. Made me smile. :)

[hockeywarrior]

Just to update this thread post-patch, I figured I would report that the broken AI remains totally unchanged.

I REALLY hope the devs take the time to address this and other game-breaking bugs like the stuck low RPM on the Spitfire in the next patch.

[Formula88]

Wow Formula88, you are a truly offensive human being.
The fact you get off telling people (who do not share you views) what you've said
above is simply unacceptable. Regardless of whether the AI is flawed or not, the
way you try to big up yourself speaks volumes... It is a certainty that any person
out of their early twenties would not speak in your manner or tone... Unless
they were brought up in a trailer. So are you a young damaged boy Formula88
or where you brought up in a trailer?

There are a few human truths you learn as you get older, let me share three with you.

- If someone tells you that they have a good sense of humour... They don't.

- If a girl tells you that she's great in bed, that's because no guy has ever been honest with her.

- And if some mouthy little snot rag has to tell everyone that he's a great shooter... He isn't.

So feel free to insult my computer specs or have a go at my honest criticism.
Please show me that everything I've said has totally gone above your head.
It's what everyone expects from you, so go on... Prove them right.

You hate your life, dont blame me.