Cpu advice please [Archive] - Official Fulqrum Publishing forum

danjama

04-04-2011, 10:45 PM

Hi guys, I'm on a budget. For SD vid editing and processing, and gaming, il2 cod, Ro2 at some point, r factor2, ROF, which will be better for 2/3 years:

I3 540 3.06ghz

Or

Athlon II X2 250 3.00ghz

I notice the i3 does better on benchmark sites. Any advice before I shell out?

hc_wolf

04-05-2011, 12:09 AM

ok well just so you know, don't expect to play il2 COD on either of those cpu's they are below minimum spec.

I would recommend you go out and get a second job and upgrade to an i7 2600k

fruitbat

04-05-2011, 12:13 AM

ok well just so you know, don't expect to play il2 COD on either of those cpu's they are below minimum spec.

I would recommend you go out and get a second job and upgrade to an i7 2600k

i5 25000k is a much better chip bang for buck imo.

people overclocking them over 4Ghz on air.

despite having an i7 myself, hypertheading is not really worth it.

JG14_Jagr

04-05-2011, 12:31 AM

i5 2500K was $219 and with a $35 Air Cooler I OC'd it to 4.2 Gig by pressing one button on the MSI P67A-GD65 motherboard.. easiest overclock ever.. only way to make it easier would have been for MSI to actually press the button for me :)

I used this, its awesome, silent, and I could beat you to death with it :) You actually attach your motherboard to it, not the other way around.. but..can't hear the fan and its keeping my CPU under load REALLY cool.. like crazy cool..

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835185142

easyhomewin

04-05-2011, 08:51 AM

was thinking about the same thing myself, very tempted by the AMD Phenom II X4 840 3.20GHz Quad Core for £75

MadTommy

04-05-2011, 09:15 AM

This might be useful...
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/best-gaming-cpu-core-i3-2100-recommended-processor,2895-5.html
http://img851.imageshack.us/img851/4931/cpus.jpg

etzi

04-05-2011, 09:35 AM

I can recommend only the i5-2500K. 4.9 GHz Primestable with air cooling.

Best bang for the buck!

Sully_pa

04-05-2011, 11:42 AM

I'm using the Phenom II X4 955 BE overclocked to 4.0 on air.

MD_Wild_Weasel

04-05-2011, 11:51 AM

I'm using the Phenom II X4 955 BE overclocked to 4.0 on air.

sweet thats the cpu i have.. what cooling you using, my setup is..

Windows 7 ultimate 64bit
ie8
msi geforce gtx 460 hawk"talon attack"1024mb
asus m4n82 deluxe nforce980a sli
Amd phenom II quad core 955 black edition @3.2 ghz(not overclocked, YET!!!!)
corsair XMS2 4gb ddr2 pc2-8500c5
Akasa venom cpu cooler
Inwin Ironclad full tower case
WD 500gb hdd

sod16

04-05-2011, 12:04 PM

Q6600 is a masterpiece. It is one of THE best processors ever released. Intel released it on a 775 set as they didn't have so much power over the market. Now they there planning to release 3 NEW LGA's and the year after they'l probably do 6... Its a joke... 775 lasted from Pentium 4 too the Q series. 1156 hasn't even lasted a year.

etzi

04-05-2011, 12:05 PM

Q6600 is a masterpiece. It is one of THE best processors ever released.

Nice dream on! ;)

klem

04-05-2011, 12:06 PM

I can recommend only the i5-2500K. 4.9 GHz Primestable with air cooling.

Best bang for the buck!

I hope you guys are using something like Coretemp to check your core temperatures ;)

My i7 950 on twin fan Megahalems cooler is o/c to 4GHz and CoD is loading Core 1 to about 70% and around 85C (Max recommended by Intel is 73 but I won't worry below 90). I did have it at 4.2GHz but a 100% load Prime test rocketed it over 100C where I chickened out :)

I don't know what the cores will be loaded like once CoD multicore has been optimised.

Oldschool61

04-05-2011, 12:13 PM

|ZUTI|

04-05-2011, 12:14 PM

Get the i3, you won't regret it. Compared to AMD counterpart that is.

Oldschool61

04-05-2011, 12:19 PM

ok well just so you know, don't expect to play il2 COD on either of those cpu's they are below minimum spec.

I would recommend you go out and get a second job and upgrade to an i7 2600k

Great advice NOT. Once code is optimized they will probably work ok.
THe video card is probably more important now than ever.

The athlon is only 60 bucks and the i3 is about 120.

etzi

04-05-2011, 12:21 PM

I hope you guys are using something like Coretemp to check your core temperatures ;)

My i7 950 on twin fan Megahalems cooler is o/c to 4GHz and CoD is loading Core 1 to about 70% and around 85C (Max recommended by Intel is 73 but I won't worry below 90). I did have it at 4.2GHz but a 100% load Prime test rocketed it over 100C where I chickened out :)

I don't know what the cores will be loaded like once CoD multicore has been optimised.

i5-2500K @ 4.9 GHz:

After 3 hours Prime --> 75°C
During CoD --> 50°C
Idle --> 32°C

As you can see, all clear!

:D

Oldschool61

04-05-2011, 12:23 PM

I can recommend only the i5-2500K. 4.9 GHz Primestable with air cooling.

Best bang for the buck!

Send him some of your bucks!! You apparently have unlimited resources

danjama

04-05-2011, 12:30 PM

Thanks for the table, it really simplifies things. On oc UK there's a i3 system for 350. There's an i5 2500 for double at 706 - is it really worth that much more, when the i3 is easily OCd to 4ghz?

Thanks for responses so far.

klem

04-05-2011, 12:35 PM

i5-2500K @ 4.9 GHz:

After 3 hours Prime --> 75°C
During CoD --> 50°C
Idle --> 32°C

As you can see, all clear!

:D

Sorry, I lied. Well, I gave you my FSX figures.

I set ProcessAffinityMask=15 (4 cores) and it runs 25-35% on some cores, less on others and all in mid-60C's over Water but I did see higher loads and temps over land.

I'm astonished at how little CPU is used.

What cooling are you using?

danjama

04-05-2011, 12:46 PM

Whats your budget? That will be the deciding factor and if you are using any old components like HDD, DVD drive etc..

Max budget is 450 bones. Id like all new components ideally, but will be using my 8800gts temporarily, so I can later afford a newer card. I've seen an i3 540 for 350 with a monitor, but its micro atx, which isn't ideal.

Rattlehead

04-05-2011, 12:53 PM

there's a i3 system for 350. There's an i5 2500 for double at 706 - is it really worth that much more, when the i3 is easily OCd to 4ghz?

Probably not. The difference can go towards a video card, or more Ram.

danjama

04-05-2011, 12:59 PM

Probably not. The difference can go towards a video card, or more Ram.

That's my logic too.

senseispcc

04-05-2011, 01:01 PM

etzi

04-05-2011, 01:10 PM

What cooling are you using?

EKL Alpenföhn Brocken + Scythe Slipstream 800

Sully_pa

04-05-2011, 01:29 PM

sweet thats the cpu i have.. what cooling you using,

http://www.kingwin.com/products/cate/cooling/cpu_coolers/xt_1264.asp

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41SwMVIp27L._SL500_AA300_.jpg

http://i677.photobucket.com/albums/vv135/Sully_pa/cpu-zcpu.png

TheEditor

04-05-2011, 02:35 PM

Send him some of your bucks!! You apparently have unlimited resources

Max budget is 450 bones. Id like all new components ideally, but will be using my 8800gts temporarily, so I can later afford a newer card. I've seen an i3 540 for 350 with a monitor, but its micro atx, which isn't ideal.

$450!!! You won't be happy. You'd be better off saving your money then buy these cheap cpu's everyones recommending to you. Gpu's are nice but if you play alot of sims then you NEED a good cpu. Cod and games like dcs a-10 use more cpu.

I'd say save your money cuz with $450 i'd be disapointed. Oh and sandy balls if you had the money...ie 2500k

Oldschool61

04-05-2011, 02:47 PM

Max budget is 450 bones. Id like all new components ideally, but will be using my 8800gts temporarily, so I can later afford a newer card. I've seen an i3 540 for 350 with a monitor, but its micro atx, which isn't ideal.

It sounds like your not building this on your own?? Micro ATX is alright as long as you dont need the other PCI slots that the video card may block. Somw Micro atx have 2 PCI slots I think which depending on your vid card at least the first is blocked by the fan. See how much you can get with a higher end AMD setup, maybe you can get a phenom II for that price. The rough equivalent amd tothe i3 540 is the athlon II X3 445 and up cpu's.

danjama

04-07-2011, 09:58 AM

Well, i've pretty much settled on a 1055t/1090t X6 based system. Does anyone have any experience with those?

They seem great for price vs performance, and benchmark marks are high.

swiss

04-07-2011, 10:03 AM

Well, i've pretty much settled on a 1055t/1090t X6 based system. Does anyone have any experience with those?

They seem great for price vs performance, and benchmark marks are high.

If hexa then 1090, it's BE and overclocks pretty well if needed.

Which mobo?

danjama

04-07-2011, 10:19 AM

Yes, probably a 1090t, as they're pretty close priced anyway. I'll start looking at mobo's tonight, although someone at the ubi boards (oldbuzzard) recommended ASrock. But I need one with firewire (for sd video transfer).

Thee_oddball

04-07-2011, 02:00 PM

Thee_oddball

04-07-2011, 02:02 PM

Well, i've pretty much settled on a 1055t/1090t X6 based system. Does anyone have any experience with those?

They seem great for price vs performance, and benchmark marks are high.

gotto go to work, but i will post something later you NEED to know !

S!

danjama

04-07-2011, 05:36 PM

I'm intrigued.

Thee_oddball

04-07-2011, 10:03 PM

I'm intrigued. if your going AMD :) then buy this board
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131644

or one from this list
http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=20482

as they are claiming that these boards will be able to use the new bulldozer chip when it come out :) so you will be able to upgrade down the road and save your self some money :)

if you feel like dropping $1500 look here
http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=20447&page=2
post #12

S!

TheEditor

04-08-2011, 12:53 AM

if your going AMD :) then buy this board
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131644

or one from this list
http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=20482

as they are claiming that these boards will be able to use the new bulldozer chip when it come out :) so you will be able to upgrade down the road and save your self some money :)

if you feel like dropping $1500 look here
http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=20447&page=2
post #12

S!

Why not get a 2500k for the same price as 1090t? No games care that you got 6 cores! Plus you can clock the balls off a 2500k!

swiss

04-08-2011, 01:15 AM

if your going AMD :) then buy this board
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131644

S!

Now that would be really foolish.
He's on budget and the AM3 socket reached the end of it's lifetime - there's no need to spend that much cash on a mobo which will be outdated in 8weeks.

2 the OP: AM3+ is due to arrive at the e3, you would probably need a bigger budget though, therefore AM3 is ok for another 12-18 Month, and you can still upgrade the CPU.
Well, if you can wait a few weeks for the AM3+ mobos to arrive, pick one of those. They're downward compatible and accept AM3 cpus, which should see another drop in price.

Thee_oddball

04-08-2011, 01:44 AM

Now that would be really foolish.
He's on budget and the AM3 socket reached the end of it's lifetime - there's no need to spend that much cash on a mobo which will be outdated in 8weeks.

2 the OP: AM3+ is due to arrive at the e3, you would probably need a bigger budget though, therefore AM3 is ok for another 12-18 Month, and you can still upgrade the CPU.
Well, if you can wait a few weeks for the AM3+ mobos to arrive, pick one of those. They're downward compatible and accept AM3 cpus, which should see another drop in price.

really? did you miss the part where u can put a AM3+ cpu into that board with a simple BIOS update?
http://event.asus.com/2011/mb/AM3_PLUS_Ready/
he is already going for a chip that is $200 alone why not get a board that will increase the life of his rig?

So he buys the X6 and 4gb of ram and a mid/hi range vid card and a good PSU and in 1 year when the bulldozer drops in price and he do an up grade (double the ram,crossfire and bulldozer) as opposed to buying a new rig....

:)

Thee_oddball

04-08-2011, 01:45 AM

Why not get a 2500k for the same price as 1090t? No games care that you got 6 cores! Plus you can clock the balls off a 2500k!

your right but he has more options in the future with the MB i posted

danjama

04-08-2011, 02:14 AM

Decisions, decisions! The i5 2500k really is appealing, but it would be a pain to the wallet - hmmm.

swiss

04-08-2011, 02:34 AM

really? did you miss the part where u can put a AM3+ cpu into that board with a simple BIOS update?
:)

In fact I did. ;)

edit: hm? http://hothardware.com/News/Mud-In-The-Water-Asus-Claims-Existing-Boards-AM3-Compatible/

Thee_oddball

04-08-2011, 02:48 AM

Decisions, decisions! The i5 2500k really is appealing, but it would be a pain to the wallet - hmmm.

Intel Core i5-2500K Sandy Bridge 3.3GHz (3.7GHz Turbo Boost) 4 x 256KB L2 Cache 6MB L3 Cache=$225 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115072&cm_re=Core_i5-2500K-_-19-115-072-_-Product)

VS

AMD Phenom II X4 955 Black Edition Deneb 3.2GHz 4 x 512KB L2 Cache 6MB L3 Cache Socket AM3=$140 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103808&cm_re=phenom_ii_x4-_-19-103-808-_-Product)

THE 2500 is a great chip but if you buy one of the boards i have posted you will have more headroom...if you just look the system in my sig and replaced the MB with the one i posted you would be at about $550 AND be able to do some major upgrades in a year :)...as my system sits now i will be able to add another 5750 and an X6 in about 6-8 months for around $150-75 and get another year+ out of it .

You can only "future proof" so much but a GOOD MB is key to this.

S!

Thee_oddball

04-08-2011, 03:09 AM

In fact I did. ;)

edit: hm? http://hothardware.com/News/Mud-In-The-Water-Asus-Claims-Existing-Boards-AM3-Compatible/

If the motherboard you bought recently come with a black socket AM3b with 1 extra pin then you will know this mean AM3+

hmm...look at the pic in the link you posted ;)

TheEditor

04-08-2011, 05:12 AM

Intel Core i5-2500K Sandy Bridge 3.3GHz (3.7GHz Turbo Boost) 4 x 256KB L2 Cache 6MB L3 Cache=$225 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115072&cm_re=Core_i5-2500K-_-19-115-072-_-Product)

VS

AMD Phenom II X4 955 Black Edition Deneb 3.2GHz 4 x 512KB L2 Cache 6MB L3 Cache Socket AM3=$140 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103808&cm_re=phenom_ii_x4-_-19-103-808-_-Product)

THE 2500 is a great chip but if you buy one of the boards i have posted you will have more headroom...if you just look the system in my sig and replaced the MB with the one i posted you would be at about $550 AND be able to do some major upgrades in a year :)...as my system sits now i will be able to add another 5750 and an X6 in about 6-8 months for around $150-75 and get another year+ out of it .

You can only "future proof" so much but a GOOD MB is key to this.

S!

I was always one for a good performance/money buyer. 2500k blows everything out the water! It even ties up with a 980 gulftown! Look...i would be with the rest of the IL-2 AMD fanboys but look at lots of benchmark sites then check price.

Nobody knows what bulldozer is going to do. How long has AM3+ been out? 1155 socket is still going to work with Ivy Bridge( a 22nm version of sandy bridge) due out end of the year.

Sully_pa

04-08-2011, 11:30 AM

http://fsa.zedge.net/content/6/9/1/0/1-6927071-6910-t.jpg

swiss

04-08-2011, 01:51 PM

Nobody knows what bulldozer is going to do. How long has AM3+ been out? 1155 socket is still going to work with Ivy Bridge( a 22nm version of sandy bridge) due out end of the year.

How long has LGA1156 been out?

See, both manufactures screw us.;)

hmm...look at the pic in the link you posted ;)

Maybe you should read the whole article. ;)

At this point we're guessing that Asus' is referring to future Phenom II-based products that will launch on Socket AM3+ rather than anything Bulldozer-related.

It's reading tea leaves atm.

danjama

04-08-2011, 02:11 PM

So what are the differences between the 1156 and 1155 boards, other than the not future proof issue for 1156? Is the 2500k miles ahead of the 760 say?

TheEditor

04-08-2011, 03:37 PM

How long has LGA1156 been out?

Who cares bout 1156! Think its been out since 2009.

JG14_Jagr

04-08-2011, 04:49 PM

I am using a rig I bought and built from scratch a month ago..

Intel 2500K @ 4.2 Gig ($219)
MSI P67A-GD65 (Has OUTSTANDING "Auto Overclocking" feature.. can't rave about it enough) ($179)
8 Gig Corsair Vengence DDR3 1600 ($99)
WD Caviar 7400 RPM $49.00
Samsung DVD R $20
FXF 6970 2 Gig VRAM $350
Cooler Master HAF 932 Case $139 (Has LARGE fans that make almost no noise)
RaidMax RX 850 AE PS $119 (I Heard mixed reviews about the "Maker" but have seen good reviews on this particular PS and hasen't had an issue)
Scythe SCMG-2100 Sleeve CPU Cooler $39 Big.. I mean BIG! But almost silent and keeps my CPU at 38' under load so how can you argue?

So if you are short of cash you could get the Mobo, CPU, RAM and a new Power SUpply for about $650 US (Assuming prices are what they were a few weeks ago) Carry over your DVD/HDD or get new ones, they are alsmot free at this point..

The big expense will be the G Card.. It was 1/3rd of my purchase price.

Also a word of advice.. if you are "saving up or trying to buy things a piece at a time, buy RAM whenever its cheap... everything else, and I mean everything will cost the same or less if you wait.. you are better off buying it all in a big lump when you are ready..

danjama

04-08-2011, 05:05 PM

What could I consider cheap for 2x4gb? £70ish?

I have an order down for a 1090t bundle but it's on hold while I think about the i5 situation. It's driving me crazy. On the graph on page 1, they're basically equivalent to each other, but the i5 users are much louder than the x6 users, so it's hard to decide.

Oldschool61

04-08-2011, 05:31 PM

Oldschool61

04-08-2011, 05:32 PM

TheEditor

04-08-2011, 06:39 PM

The i5 are intel fanboys and the X6 users are amd fanboys just not as many of them.

Ive had both amd and intel. I'll jump ship if I see a amd out with a intel killer at a good price.

swiss

04-09-2011, 12:36 AM

Who cares bout 1156! Think its been out since 2009.

Same BS like AM3 - both sockets lasted only 2 years.

To me, this means whenever you acquire a new mobo, you'll have to jump for the latest.
And the leaked 'dozer performance looks promising.

MSI P67A-GD65 (Has OUTSTANDING "Auto Overclocking" feature.. can't rave about it enough) ($179)

lol
I got a G65, I so love this feature too. :cool: