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dkwookie
03-18-2011, 05:09 PM
Good luck to the pilots going out to enforce this new ruling. I hope this is resolved quickly and peacefully and theres no shooting required
trk29
03-18-2011, 05:55 PM
Ditto, God bless our troops.
UN Resolution "all necessary measures" = Mission Creep = Air Strikes against the miltary infrastructure in general, unless Gadaffi stands down and leaves - which I doubt unless his supporters desert him! Unfortunately, air strikes have a nasty habit of killing the people they are supposed to protect. I don't hold out much hope for a peaceful solution but I suppose it's the 'lesser of the two evils' if it comes to that.
The Legendary Spitfire
03-18-2011, 06:52 PM
It is unlikely that they will see any dogfighting action. Our jets are superior to the Libyan planes so I reckon if necessary our pilots will just be on the ground attack. Even so I wish them the best of luck.
trk29
03-18-2011, 07:32 PM
I don't know why but I can't get Iron Eagle out of my mind!
The_Goalie_94
03-19-2011, 02:46 PM
Oorah! The canadians are out their in that no fly zone bombing targets!
Hope they spare a few for the assholel dictators killing their people in Yemen and Bahrain too.....
UN Resolution "all necessary measures" = Mission Creep = Air Strikes against the miltary infrastructure in general, unless Gadaffi stands down and leaves - which I doubt unless his supporters desert him! Unfortunately, air strikes have a nasty habit of killing the people they are supposed to protect. I don't hold out much hope for a peaceful solution but I suppose it's the 'lesser of the two evils' if it comes to that.
Well, an easy solution to destry the tanks has been used before (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/2919249.stm) - same tanks as the Libyans too, basically. So thats no problem.
If they do end up needing to ground attack in the city, then you can hit them with a Brimstone/Hellfire, I believe both the British Tornado and Typhoon can carry the Brimstone. I'm not sure what the US, Danish and French will use though. I'm suprised they aren't using UAVs to a greater extent.
dkwookie
03-19-2011, 04:33 PM
The French airforce are there already and according to the BBC have started firing already. Looks like they are engaged in ground attack but what looked like a Libyan bomber was shot down earlier.
Don't know who knocked it out but close up photos on the news showed the pilot ejected way to close to the deck and was killed.
The mid east is turning into a real boiling pot. Military spending cuts are looking more and more stupid to me
I'm not convinced air strikes alone will see the job done and the USA senate commitee are divided with strong opposition to sending in more of their ground forces into another arena. A lot depends on wether Gaddafi loses internal support and leaves. The end game is 'regime change' despite not being the UN mandate and this intervention will continue untill that objective is realised.
The French airforce are there already and according to the BBC have started firing already. Looks like they are engaged in ground attack but what looked like a Libyan bomber was shot down earlier.
Don't know who knocked it out but close up photos on the news showed the pilot ejected way to close to the deck and was killed.
The mid east is turning into a real boiling pot. Military spending cuts are looking more and more stupid to me
Looked like a Mig-23 to me, part of the resistance wasn't it? Pity he died, but in a civil war it was always going to happen.
I don't think Gaddafi will just up and leave, the way he's going - it looks like he might be tried for war crimes.. Could end in another Saddam Hussein, hopefully not though.
dkwookie
03-19-2011, 05:23 PM
Well I don't think the Gadafi forces look up to much opposition. The BBC showed some old banged up Russian T72s with some rabble in plain clothes on them. I thought they were rebels but they were Libyan army regulars. Seriously unimpressive looking fighting force
Well I don't think the Gadafi forces look up to much opposition. The BBC showed some old banged up Russian T72s with some rabble in plain clothes on them. I thought they were rebels but they were Libyan army regulars. Seriously unimpressive looking fighting force
They actually look pretty well matched if this is right.
http://worldnews-onlines.blogspot.com/2011/03/bbc-news-libya-how-opposing-sides-are.html
I saw that tank footage but on another News channel and they said it was a captured tank in one of the rebel strongholds. Gadaffi has a large number of mercenaries in his armed forces including African, Serbian and various other European countries. His regular army is very reliant on these but my bet is that they will start to leave.
As long as they are getting payed then they would stay, surely? Its turning into the whold MGS4 story line! :p Next Snake will infultrate the country to find Liquid is running the whole show!
dkwookie
03-19-2011, 07:05 PM
It's confirmed the Mig that went down was a rebel aircraft. There is a suggestion on the BBC it was shot down by his own people by mistake.
Those rebels need to get themselves grounded asap. It's going to be a nightmare for coalition pilots identifying hostile ground targets let alone friendly jets in the air.
This looks like it's going to be a clusterf@@k to me
Zatoichi_Sanjuro
03-19-2011, 07:14 PM
March 1999 all over again.
The Legendary Spitfire
03-20-2011, 09:16 AM
The rebels don't need any planes in the air. Our forces can do that job and their planes will confuse us and their AA. They need more organisation overall to stop them doing things like shooting their own planes down.
I don't think this is going to end well...
AS for military spending cuts I don't think that they are bad as people make out. The Libyan air force isn't up to much, no any army in that area. We only need an air force our size if we are to face another superpower which the UN is meant to prevent.
dkwookie
03-20-2011, 09:46 AM
Talk about mission creep, this is more like mission leap. This was supposed to be a no fly zone operation to prevent Gadafi using air power but it now looks like a full on assault
Over 110 tomahawks launched last night. Crazy.
The world is turning to shit like there is a race on
hurricane
03-20-2011, 01:29 PM
I watched an interview yesterday with someone that was on Bill Clintons staff and he basically said that the coalition is killing privates when it should be killing generals.
Zatoichi_Sanjuro
03-20-2011, 01:42 PM
I watched an interview yesterday with someone that was on Bill Clintons staff and he basically said that the coalition is killing privates when it should be killing generals.
They shouldn't be there in the first place. But the wolves can't help themselves when all those oil contracts are up for grabs.
dkwookie
03-20-2011, 02:44 PM
The Tornados we sent over flew from the UK to Libya and back. A 3000 mile round trip. I bet the planners of this wish they had a carrier and some Harriers to send over!
This is really showing the limitations the cuts have made to our air power
bobbysocks
03-20-2011, 03:55 PM
at least they were able to fly over france this time! last time muammar went skitzo and drew his "line of death" across the gulf of sidra the ac that left the uk had to fly around france. that made for long trips...
Zatoichi_Sanjuro
03-20-2011, 04:32 PM
at least they were able to fly over france this time! last time muammar went skitzo and drew his "line of death" across the gulf of sidra the ac that left the uk had to fly around france. that made for long trips...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hf3wRyDgVqA#t=0m29s
olife
03-20-2011, 05:45 PM
my prayers for all the pilots
good post dk
The Tornados we sent over flew from the UK to Libya and back. A 3000 mile round trip. I bet the planners of this wish they had a carrier and some Harriers to send over!
This is really showing the limitations the cuts have made to our air power
Maybe so, but doesn't it show to the rest of the world that we can do it effectively? That we haven't faded since the Falklands and the Black Buck raids?
However, UK is in need of a long range bomber rather than the Tornado and Typhoon which are basically fighter bombers. Oh, yes, I forgot; the British government think that the US will always back us up so they can send their B-52's, B-1's etc over. Somebody with sense needs to be in charge..
bobbysocks
03-20-2011, 10:56 PM
Oh, yes, I forgot; the British government think that the US will always back us up.....
I certainly F'n hope we will! it would be an extreme shame for us not to. you guys have been there for us in some not so popular situations. in my mind we owe you big time. but politicians never cease to dissapoint me... and i dont want to get into a political debate so that is all i will say..
I certainly F'n hope we will! it would be an extreme shame for us not to. you guys have been there for us in some not so popular situations. in my mind we owe you big time. but politicians never cease to dissapoint me... and i dont want to get into a political debate so that is all i will say..
I'm not disagreeing! Its nice to have a big superpower on our side that speaks the same language and such. I'd like to think you'll be there for us when WW3 kicks off; but it will typically turn into "who dies of radiation poisoning last, wins" so there will be no point it the end!
Wow that's depressing! In short though, I'd like to say I'd back a yank up in a situation!
Gilly
03-21-2011, 10:04 AM
Read this morning that the Tornado's that flew last night did not drop anything after identifying possible civilians in the vicinity. I'd rather see more of these type of missions instead of us just launching tomahawks off. At least the pilot can abort based on what he sees.
dkwookie
03-21-2011, 01:28 PM
Read this morning that the Tornado's that flew last night did not drop anything after identifying possible civilians in the vicinity. I'd rather see more of these type of missions instead of us just launching tomahawks off. At least the pilot can abort based on what he sees.
Totally agree Gilly. Those cruise missiles are too indiscriminate. Also anyone know how much they cost these days? I remember during the Gulf tomahawk barrage some crazy figures given out for each missile. Bit annoyed they are firing them like confetti when each ones cost could probably train a pilot and keep his aircraft in service for a year
Edit: $750,000 each. Not as much as I thought
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomahawk_(missile)
hurricane
03-22-2011, 12:11 AM
I hear talk from our press about the rebels being boosted by the coalition attacks but I don't hear much about who the rebels are.
dkwookie
03-22-2011, 07:07 AM
I hear talk from our press about the rebels being boosted by the coalition attacks but I don't hear much about who the rebels are.
Not too long ago in a desert not too far away....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWqVKWKSMHQ
Gilly
03-22-2011, 11:48 AM
BBC are reporting that an F15 came down in Libya last night. No word on what caused it but I'm getting the horrible feeling this whole situation is going to get messy (not that it already isn't).
Edit: mechanical failure is being sited as the reason. Both crew are safe.
flynlion
03-22-2011, 03:27 PM
In short though, I'd like to say I'd back a yank up in a situation!
Thanks Bro'. I'm a US citizen, but my ethnic background is Austrian. Austrian Jew, to be precise. My family will always be grateful to the Brits.
Robotic Pope
03-22-2011, 05:43 PM
BBC are reporting that an F15 came down in Libya last night. No word on what caused it but I'm getting the horrible feeling this whole situation is going to get messy (not that it already isn't).
Edit: mechanical failure is being sited as the reason. Both crew are safe.
Every time I crash in BoP and the game doesn't give a kill, thats mechanical failure and totaly unrelated to the huge amount of bullets striking my plane :-P
dkwookie
03-24-2011, 02:56 PM
BBC reporting a French plane destroyed a Libyan plane just after it landed. It's just like CTA at Manston
olife
03-24-2011, 03:09 PM
BBC reporting a French plane destroyed a Libyan plane just after it landed. It's just like CTA at Manston
hello dk ,
yes it seems a french RAFALE destroyed a SOKO G2 GALEB.
dkwookie
03-24-2011, 03:27 PM
Hi Olife, that info on the type of AC was quick from you. The BBC only just announced the Libyan type here.
They say they took it out with an air to ground missile
MACADEMIC
03-24-2011, 03:28 PM
Incredibly, the Wiki page for the Soko G-2 Galeb has already been updated and refers to the Rafale having shot down one in the Libyan conflict:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soko_G-2
olife
03-24-2011, 03:58 PM
Incredibly, the Wiki page for the Soko G-2 Galeb has already been updated and refers to the Rafale having shot down on in the Libyan conflict:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soko_G-2
hello teacher!!
good to see u again!!
yes it is incredibly!!very fast wiki update!!!
Robotic Pope
03-24-2011, 04:05 PM
Those Galebs and Super Galebs really have been the missile fodder of recent air to air combat.
dkwookie
03-24-2011, 04:27 PM
Been there and done that on BOP:
"The fate of at least one J-21 Jastreb was not much better: sometime in 1997 one of the Serbian mercenaries, called Turcinovic, was killed while flying an ultra-low-level pass over Gbadolite and clipping a lamp post with his wing. The wreckage of his aircraft fell directly into a column of young soldiers on a parade, killing dozens of them. Turcinovic apparently fell victim to a massive liquor problem.[1]"
McQ59
08-24-2011, 12:25 PM
Seems like the old desertfox is in short of a hat...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r85G8ULCh3g&feature=related
Congratulations to the Libyan people :cool:
olife
08-24-2011, 02:03 PM
...mmm...a 1st part of a military adventure now finished for the otan...mmm...who say petroleum?...what did we do if no?...those poors guys would be probably killed by kadhafi military forces...
maybe now a lot of clients to buy the french fighter RAFALE...sad...what is the most important?freedom or money?...
winny
08-24-2011, 08:42 PM
...mmm...a 1st part of a military adventure now finished for the otan...mmm...who say petroleum?...what did we do if no?...those poors guys would be probably killed by kadhafi military forces...
maybe now a lot of clients to buy the french fighter RAFALE...sad...what is the most important?freedom or money?...
That's what the west does.
1.Blow a place up, or give the locals the means to blow it up themselves.
2.Offer to rebuild it "the only problem is our contractors see this as a dangerous country (for some reason nobody round here likes us) so they'll need paying 6x the normal rate... just sign here.."
3.Open a McDonalds.
4.Repeat till everyone hates you.
We should just cut straight to the chase and drop Big Macs on them instead of bombs.
hurricane
08-24-2011, 11:40 PM
what do you have against mcdonalds?do you own a burgerking.I dont think this forumn is a good place for political debates.peace.
hurricane
08-24-2011, 11:56 PM
I'm sorry but I cant leave this one go.if you want to make the analogy of mcdonalds and the recent influence of the 'west' in libya thats fine because we have to be vigalant.I am not ashamed to be a westener because of all the medical ,technalogical,and cultural contributions we have made.dont get me wrong there has been mistakes but i am not ashamed to be a westener.
flynlion
08-25-2011, 03:22 AM
We should just cut straight to the chase and drop Big Macs on them instead of bombs.
I'm as patriotic as the next guy, but that is freakin' hilarious :lol:
Thanks Winny.
winny
08-25-2011, 08:05 AM
It was a bit tounge in cheek, I could have said Starbucks or Tesco or any global retailer. As a joke, Mcdonalds worked better.
I'm not ashamed to be a westerner, I am ashamed of some of the things we've done for 'democracy' though, and I'm proud of some others.
I'm not anti American either.
As for Burger King, everyone knows that the aerodynamics of Whoppers are such that they don't make very good aerial ordinance, and are only suitable for 'carpet burgering' of large targets..
dkwookie
08-25-2011, 08:30 AM
Plus chicken nuggets are much better as cluster bomb ammo rather than onion rings
winny
08-25-2011, 08:57 AM
Plus chicken nuggets are much better as cluster bomb ammo rather than onion rings
Yeah, the UN banned onion rings last year, they are apparently seen as inhumane.. It happened around the same time that the "hot apple pie land mine"
got cancelled.. Just too dangerous.
EDIT: Slight problem : Apparently dropping Beef based food produce on Muslims is 'offensive', something to do with Christmas or something... Anyway, it's OK
the chiefs of staff have been on the phone to Pizza hut and ordered 750,000 of the 12 inch vegetarian deep pan. Fire up the b-52's..
EDIT:EDIT I'm still joking, no offense meant (seriously)
dkwookie
08-25-2011, 09:26 AM
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/02/04/article-0-0D0B74ED000005DC-281_634x354.jpg
Robotic Pope
08-25-2011, 05:34 PM
lol This thread got funny :D
winny
08-25-2011, 09:46 PM
That picture has made me laugh everytime I've looked at it.
It's the fact that he's waving that gets me.
Thanks wookie.
hurricane
08-25-2011, 11:51 PM
will we call this carpetbagging or carpet burgering?
Robotic Pope
08-26-2011, 02:40 AM
The one the really scares me is the McDonalds Frydent ballistic cardboard box containing up to 12 nuclear warchips. Lets hope nobody ever gets a box thrown at them.
Gilly
08-26-2011, 03:04 PM
The one the really scares me is the McDonalds Frydent ballistic cardboard box containing up to 12 nuclear warchips. Lets hope nobody ever gets a box thrown at them.
Full on McClusterF¥€k! Comes with free McScud toy.
Anyone see Gadaffi's cap on eBay yet? Reckon it'll make more than Princess Eugenes' when it does appear!
dkwookie
08-26-2011, 06:31 PM
Full on McClusterF¥€k! Comes with free McScud toy.
Anyone see Gadaffi's cap on eBay yet? Reckon it'll make more than Princess Eugenes' when it does appear!
Your not wrong there Gilly, there will be a McFlurry of bids for that.
I see the rebels want the UN to unfreeze the external assetts of Libya now. Everyone wants to get paid!
McQ59
08-28-2011, 05:19 PM
I guess you can't be McChicken to live in Tripoli these days though...
bobbysocks
08-28-2011, 05:21 PM
As for Burger King, everyone knows that the aerodynamics of Whoppers are such that they don't make very good aerial ordinance, and are only suitable for 'carpet burgering' of large targets..
just what is the air speed velocity of an ungarnished burger?
winny
08-28-2011, 05:49 PM
just what is the air speed velocity of an ungarnished burger?
Er, I dunno... Aaarrrrggggghhhhhhhh
dkwookie
08-28-2011, 09:00 PM
IEB, Improvised Explosive Burger
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oc40rO-3Y0I
bobbysocks
08-28-2011, 09:29 PM
great! so now there will be a ban on cheeseburgers at the airports! i guess it stands to reason...you cant bring the pepsi through security!
winny
08-29-2011, 01:59 PM
I'd just like to apologise for the current sillyness that is this thread.
However..
I've got a great idea for a Dr Pepper A-Bomb. It's the most volatile liquid know to man... Just look at the stuff the wrong way and it explodes with indescribable power. (I write this havng just spent 10 mins cleaning the stuff off my ceiling, because I opened it within 2 days of it being moved gentley)
I think fast food ammunition is the future.
bobbysocks
08-29-2011, 05:01 PM
try putting Mentos candy in it..... :grin: and i thought i hadd too much time on my hands some days...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vk4_2xboOE
watch this until the end...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BnRhQDxFlt8&feature=related
and the reason we dont try this at home..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g4kBNBEJKD8&feature=related
dkwookie
08-29-2011, 08:55 PM
Some great videos there Bobby. Here is the lunatic experts on the job
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZwZ-yhmc2o
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